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@HenrikTJ Hi Henrik, My user name used to be ][udson on here. Not sure when they axed showing special characters. I joined over a decade ago. It's Hudson. 😃 Thanks a lot. That's the product I came to through all of my reading. It looks like it will support the ten pounds. But will I be able to get firm control over speaker position? It feels like they would just dangle loosely. I was wondering if I couldn't get a tight flush mount with the double headed Bear Claw screws I ordered. But I'd worry about them falling after time through vibration... Hudson

I have 4 Klipsch RP-500SA speakers coming to do a 5.2.4 setup with my RF7 Reference ii system. They have one keyhole on the back, I believe. They weigh 8 pounds. This is for Dolby Atmos. I can install them as front and back height speakers, or fire the rear ones upward to bounce sound off the ceiling, but I know that is least ideal. I would love to grab control of the buggers with ceiling mounts. But I am pulling my teeth out trying to find ceiling mounts for speakers that have only keyholes (no threaded holes). Can anyone throw me a bone? Thanks!

Here's a pic of the room, accurately measured. You can see the room is very long. There is an inset (left in pic) that was built for a wood burning stove. It is raised 15 inches off the ground is as a nice area for the display. As you can see, the room opens up to the left of the setup. It contains various things like computer desk where I work from, component rack, etc.

Thanks Arky and tkd. Tkd, I will look at the Denon. I wonder if the new Yammy is worth looking at too - the 3800. A review of the 2700 stated it was warmer than previous models, so maybe I would like it more than my old 2500. If there's one thing I worry about with Denon it's the interface. I saw my brothers a couple of years ago, and it was basically just text, and very non-user-friendly.

It's hard to know it all when you've got a real life going on with work, wife and kids... so yeah, receivers are a hell of a lot easier.

Thanks for all the advice. If I go separates only, I am going to want all the latest like HDMI 1.3a and the new decoding stuff. So it's not just about power. There are other reasons to upgrade. Where can I go to start learning about separates? I can't seem to find good sources of info. Random reviews are just a spewing of techno-verbiage. I need to know the basics, and then be able to establish a list of brands, models, and get a budget in order.

What is the cross over thing about? Is there a thread about it?

David, that is super generous. I would love to do that. I live 20 miles off 96 though. Maybe we could arrange a weekend sometime. I'd need help from you anyway in getting things set up I imagine. We can talk about this in PM if you want. Gonna have to research seperates...never had anything but a receiver.

Dr Who, thanks for the long post. Interesting to hear about a similar sound. I guess that can be expected, and it's a jump in quality rather than a change as you say. I don't know anything about those other lines you mentioned but I would guess they're hugely expensive for me. But I'll have to look =). I don't care how big speakers are, nor do I wish for ear splitting stuff. I just want thick and detailed sound. But a pant leg rattle or two doesn't hurt... If I can fix this with power and setup, that would be great...

Thanks so much for the help, guys. It sounds like it's everything but the speakers =) I think I will look at a new receiver. This is 3.5 years old, I think I can justify it. For the new bells and whistles too. The Denon line sounds like a popular one. I have to look more closely at the specs and get up to speed a bit. Still 140w, and I was hoping for more power maybe. Does a seperate amp really make the difference? Would you not want to power the center/sub too? I know nothing about this. I also wish I could find two HDMI out... I moved from a small 15x10 room to a 16x44 furnished basement. It sounds better in here than it did before. The floors are carpeted (vs wood in old room), and the couch and chairs take up some waves too. I will try to get a pic posted of the setup. Maybe I need treatments too, and to solve a space issue. What's a crossover upgrade about? Tkdamerica, thanks for the link, I will definitely go for a read. Are there any other receivers I should be looking at? And I would not know the first thing about getting a seperate amp... BTW, I should mention I demo'd top of the line Polk, Paradigm, and Infinity I think, before picking up the Klipsch. I auditioned the R7 line before anything else, and nothing else came close to how awesome that first demo was. I went back after the rest, and it confirmed it for me...the Ref 7's were just the best experience by far to me. When I think back to that day, I just know I don't have them working like they should...

It's not that I am not happy with them, I just don't feel as thrilled with them as I would like. Half the time I know the source is just not good (TV, some dvds). The setup shines with Blue Ray movies. But I find if I turn it up to enjoy, it's just a bit harsh, and the sound seems to change. I don't know if that's the receiver/settings, setup, or just my ears...or hey maybe it's the typical complaint of inherent "harshness" on Klipsch I never wanted to believe. When it sounds good, without going too loud, it really does sound good. When not, things just sound "thin", brittle, not enough mids, not smooth enough, and muddy sub action - which I admit I have not nearly played enough with. I am virtually all about movies, btw. But I dig music at times, not to mention in movies. P.S. If I want to sell, I guess here is a good place to start. Those Ultras sure do look nice. I am outside of Grand Ledge, btw, in a hugely small town We just moved back from Florida. Brrrr.

Thanks for the tips guys. I will try to find some time to play around with it more. I am sure half my problem is lack of experience and knowledge.

Does anyone know how these system stack up? Anyone move from one to the other? I am thinking of upgrading, and wonder if I shouldn't slowly replace them with Ultras. I feel like I should upgrade my receiver first though, which is a lowly Yamaha RXV-2500...

I have an upgrade itch. I've always been half happy with the RSW-15. I don't know if it's my setup and settings, but often it seems to have more of a muddy one note rumble than deep and tight performance with lots of range. Does that make sense? Does anyone know if the RT-12d provides a worthwhile upgrade?

Thanks a lot CECA, I will try both out and make the call. It seems the large worked well with really nicely recorded programming like NUMB3ERS, but not so much for lesser shows/sports.

Thanks, wrench. Did you set all the speakers to large? And how about the bass, over both speakers and the sub, or just the sub?

Hi all. I've been the happy owner of the RF7 line for about 10 months now. I am a high end audio newb and would like to get more out of the sound. Last night I tinkered with my Yamaha 2500 settings a bit. I played with crossover, a little parametric adjustment, and speaker size. This was during a TV program in the commercials, so I wasn't very maticulate or thorough, and the quality difference between ads was great and the TV show not the best either (auto racing). It seemed like the more I played with the settings, the less I knew what sounded good or how to get there. My main question is whether or not to pump bass only out of the RSW15, or over all the speakers, plus the sub? I also had had my speakers all set to "small", and changed them to large. Is this a common/proper thing to do, or vice versa? I seem to get more fullness over the front speakers, but a bit less clarity from the bass in general. It does seem a bit more accurate though. I don't know if that makes sense. I have yet to pick out some really good movie titles and really spend time with it - my problem is actually finding the time. I'm concerned I've spent all this money to get great sound, and do not have the experience to squeeze it out on my own. Would it be worthwhile getting my system calibrated by a pro? And how much can that cost (and if you live in Central Florida, can you recommend anyone?) Alternatively, are there some good resources on the net for learning how to tune up your sound system? Thanks for any help, ][udson

So what are the audible differences when you go to a seperate amp? I have the Rx7 line. What could I expect if I upgrade down the road? Are we talking fuller sound? More bass? Etc. etc...

I'm thrilled with my Yamaha RX-v2500. 130 wpc. Movies to my ears!

Here's one positive vote for Yamaha. I have the Yamaha RX-V2500 and it sounds amazing. I don't at all have trouble with highs or lows. Just plenty of everything I like, it seems. Maybe yours is too old. Amongst all the negative comments (and overly so, IMO) about Yamaha and Klipsch pairings, I have seen a few of the detractors admit the new Yamahas = better. I watch 90% Home Theater, 5% X-box, and 5% music. Maybe for music lovers, Yamaha isn't the way to go. But I demoed so many speaker/avr combos with lots of movie material...and for me, nothing came close the the RF-7 lineup on the Yamaha RX-V2500.

---------------- On 6/9/2005 9:24:04 PM point_and_shoot wrote: I guess (like many others) my buying power constricts me to the lower to mid range priced equipment. This gives me a higher chance at buying sweatshop stuff. Thanks for the info. ---------------- While you're at it, you might want to check your coffee cups, T-shirts, sunglasses, pencil and pens, toys, circuit breakers, auto parts, and even TVs and refrigerators. And I wonder what you'd be able to afford if those speaker lines weren't made in China. It's sad but true, and you can't avoid it - easily anyway. China's not the only place either...

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Just thought I would check in here. The system is all together. I couldn't be happier. Truly amazing. I wouldn't take any other system I heard in demos. This is just the hands-down best for me. Long live my Rx7 system --- and that yamaha v2500! =) Congrats to all you other Rx7 series owners. I'm glad I could join the party...

Gwire, remember that it was the best in this price range...for him. You've really got to get out to listen to them. I heard all the polk lines. And not even their best matched the RF-7 line. Maybe it was the room, I donno. But I couldn't spend my money on anything but the RF-7s. This was my opinion. I'm sure you'll have your own, so try to get out to audition as it's so subjective... BTW I never posted in this thread about getting the system set up. It's been about a week things have been up and running, and I could not be more thrilled with the system. I'm waiting only for the sub. Amazingly the mains still kick out plenty of bass to make movies enjoyable.

Thx Magoo. This was one of the first things I checked. Only the mains are on large. As soon as that sub rolls in, I will be sure to change them to small. Thanks!