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Where did you find that info? I suspected that may be the case, and if so, XLR would offer ZERO advantage.

With such a short cable run, will XLR even make a difference? Or at least enough of one to notice? Also, many amps with XLR inputs aren't truely balanced, as they connect pins 1 and 3. Anyone have any expirience with Sunfire gear?

I don't want to start another cable debate, but I'm currently shopping for some XLR interconnects and they all seem very very expensive. It would seem to me that since it is a balanced connection, any XLR cable of good construction quality should be fine. Anyone running XLR? Where did you buy cables?

saw this on http://www.hometheaterdiscussion.com: Klipsch to Introduce Fourth Generation of its Acclaimed Reference Series "CONTACT: Klipsch Audio Technologies Sarah Knight 3502 Woodview Trace, Suite 200 Indianapolis, IN 46268 Phone: 317-860-8737 Fax: 317-860-9184 sarah.knight@klipsch.com Klipsch to Introduce Fourth Generation of its Acclaimed Reference Series Improved lineup boasts increased performance and expands company portfolio On display at the 2006 International CES in booth #21419 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE INDIANAPOLIS (December 27, 2005) Klipsch is launching 20 all-new Reference Series models with refined features to further expand its already diverse product portfolio and solidify its leading position as the number one speaker brand in all channels of U.S. distribution (Source: NPD Techworld Jan. Nov. 2005). In total, there are five new floorstanding speakers (RF-83, RF-63, RF-82, RF-62 and RF-52), three bookshelf models (RB-81, RB-61 and RB-51), three center channel speakers (RC-64, RC-62 and RC-52), three WDST surrounds (RS-62, RS-52 and RS-42) and six powered subwoofers (RT-12d, RT-10d, RSW-10d, RW-12d, RW-10d and RPW-10). This fourth generation of product will replace the current Reference line except for the entry-level 10 series models. "Since its initial launch in 1999, the Klipsch Reference Series has created a whirlwind of success for the company and its business partners," said Jim Garrett, Klipsch director of product marketing. "By introducing a fourth generation of product with new and better features, we will strengthen our position in the specialty retail channel." The RF-83 and RF-63 flagship floorstanders each utilize three high-output Cerametallic woofers and a 1.25-inch titanium compression driver with exclusive Tractrix® Horn-loaded technology. Available in either a cherry or black wood veneer finish, the RF-83 and RF-63 also feature bi-wire inputs with premium binding posts and Klipsch custom internal wiring for high-quality connection. The RF-82, RF-62 and RF-52 floorstanders offer improved Tractrix horn-loaded tweeters and extended low-frequency capability among other added high-performance benefits. The latest bookshelf speakers all offer improved bass response and feature high-output Cerametallic woofer cones and titanium compression drivers mated to the latest generation of square Tractrix Horns. The RB-81 flagship bookshelf model utilizes an 8-inch woofer and 1-inch tweeter with a ceramic motor structure for extended low and high frequency responses. Available in either a cherry or black woodgrain vinyl finish, the RB-81 also includes bi-wire inputs and Klipsch custom internal wiring for high-quality connection. The new RC-64, RC-62 and RC-52 center channel models utilize Klipsch's exclusive Tapered Array technology and custom internal wiring to deliver perfectly balanced sound over the entire listening area. Cerametallic woofers with inverted copper dust caps, new titanium compression driver tweeters with enhanced Tractrix Horns and full video shielding are also featured throughout the line. The RC-62 and RC-52 offer improved low frequency extension, while the flagship RC-64 is an all-new, class-leading design with four 6.5-inch high-output woofers flanking a central 1.25-inch titanium compression driver. The RS-62, RS-52 and RS-42 surround speakers, featuring exclusive Wide Dispersion Surround Technology, adopt a completely new cabinet and driver layout that is similar to the Klipsch THX Ultra2® KS-525-THX surround. This configuration establishes greater output, improved coverage and increased power handling to further extend Klipsch's best-in-class surround sound performance. Available in a matte black vinyl finish, all three of these models employ dual Cerametallic woofers and dual titanium tweeters coupled to Tractrix Horns for enveloping surround sound fields, as well as precisely localized rear surround effects. Side-firing ports, back-panel keyholes and ¼"-20 threaded inserts simplify installation. Designed to deliver staggering bass intensity, the new triangular-shaped RT-12d and RT-10d flagship subwoofers are small footprint, high-output models with powerful front-firing Cerametallic woofers and dual rear-firing passive radiators. Available in either a cherry or black wood veneer finish, these subwoofers easily fit into corners where they are less intrusive. This unique enclosure style also allows the passive radiators to face both corners of a wall for maximum bass performance. In fact, corner loading a subwoofer creates a six-decibel increase in output without needing an increase in power. Through DSP, the RT subwoofers deliver a new level of customized bass performance. They both feature a patent-pending digital control panel display that allows users to quickly and easily adjust all functions. The RT-12d and RT-10d also offer three equalization modes (flat, depth and punch) and five user-adjustable preset modes (music, movies, night and two name-your-own settings) to establish specific listening preferences. By utilizing a patent-pending auto room correction process, formally known as Adaptive Room Correction, and the included calibration microphone, these RT models ensure ideal performance in every listening area. As the most compact subwoofer in the line, the RSW-10d has an even smaller enclosure than its predecessor as well as substantially increased amplifier power and all-new high-excursion drivers. The RSW-10d offers three user-adjustable preset modes (music, movies and night) and features the same digital control panel and equalization modes as the RT models. The RW-12d and RW-10d enhance the performance qualities that made the preceding RW-12 and RW-10 models so popular. These two new subwoofers still retain critical performance features such as exclusive Corner Port technology but now offer the same digital control panel and three equalization modes (flat, depth and punch) as the RSW-10d. The entry-level RPW-10 is a powerful front-firing 10-inch subwoofer with a fiber-composite cone that brings a new level of performance to the value-priced subwoofer category. It also features a front-firing slot port for installation into custom cabinetry. With this new diverse lineup, the Klipsch Reference Series now covers U.S. MSRP price points ranging from $498 to $2498 for a pair of floorstanding speakers, $248 to $698 for a pair of bookshelf models, $199 to $899 for a center channel, $298 to $998 for a pair of surrounds and $349 to $1,999 for a powered subwoofer. All of the new Reference Series models, except for the subwoofers, will begin shipping to specialty retail dealers in January. The six powered subwoofers are slated to launch in March. About Klipsch Audio Technologies Established in 1946, Klipsch Audio Technologies is a wholly owned subsidiary of Klipsch Group, Inc., and is a leading global manufacturer of high-performance loudspeakers and other entertainment products for consumer and professional markets. Klipsch is committed to developing products that create the most engaging, emotional and dynamic entertainment experiences. Acquired by Fred S. Klipsch and Judy L. Klipsch in 1989, Klipsch bases its worldwide headquarters and Audio Engineering and Technology Center in Indianapolis, Ind., manufacturing facilities and distribution center in Hope, Ark., and distribution centers in Buena Park, Calif.; Toronto, Canada; Heerenberg, Netherlands and Shen Zhen, China. For more information, please visit http://www.klipsch.com. SOURCE: Klipsch Audio Technologies CONTACT: Sarah Knight of Klipsch Audio Technologies, 317-860-8737 or sarah.knight@klipsch.com PHOTOS: High-resolution, publication-quality photos are available upon request. WEB SITE: http://www.klipsch.com

24 hours til CES starts..... can't wait for the pictures.

Synergy F3s would be the closest

Why would you expect them to be?? I would hope a $800 pair of towers would not get the best of a $7k (new) pair of k-horns.....

My guess would be that if it is indeed true, it's taking into account the development and design costs and averaging them out among all the cars built, they may make a profit building and selling the car, but take a loss on the project as a whole due to the cost to develop. But that is ok, because of the trickle down effect. The technology developed for this car will be implimented into their vw and audi lines.

That's what I figured. Thanks for the input.

When I got my THX subs, I had a fairly high quality rca cable sitting around unused (Monster Z series), the other being used to feed the amp for my center channel. I used it to run from my sub out to the Klipsch THX amp. The Z cable is a twisted pair and it not a 75 ohm cable, like most sub woofer cables. Would there be any benefit to replaceing it with a true subwoofer cable?

Arthur, Maybe I'm way off base here, but why don't you just quit screwing around with having a dozen subs, forget the THX subs, sell the pile subs you have now, and just get the Krell Master Refrence. I have a hard time believeing that it wouldn't satisty anyone's need for the low frequencies, plus the thing is sweet. Just my 2 cents.

not always true. there are a lot of amps on the market that are fully balanced or at least have balanced input stages. you are correct though as many cheaper amps and processors with xlr are the same connection as an rca, as pins 1 and 3 and connected. to the origional poster, the only reason rca to xlr conversation cables exist are so you can hook gear without xlr outs to gear such as active studio monitors whose only input is xlr. they do nothing to the sounds nor will they reduce interference.

The 3802 does not have XLR outs. You can't run XLR. An RCA to XLR converter cable is not balanced and will not make a difference.

And what are you planning of doing with those? Neither the amp nor reciever use that connection.

Unscrew the coax from the back of your tv. 90% of the time, that's the problem. If it is the case, get a Jensen Ground Issolator. If not........ good luck buddy.

I had the same issue with my RC3-II as well and to a limited degree with my current RC-7. I have yet to find a solution other than moving it.

They look kinda like Klipsch. There is some cheesy website that has a fake review of them claiming they are just like klipsch only sound better and are less expensive. They are just a cheapo set of speakers trying to make a buck off of Klipsch's brand recognition. There have been quite a few threads about them to date.

They're basicly an internet version of the "white van" speakers.

When i bought my system, I was planning on buying 2 rsw 15s, and ended up getting 2 of the thx instead. Very glad i made that move.

Sounds like you got it covered. Denon's recievers tend to be pretty solid.

My only arguements are that I would have liked a 12 volt trigger input, an xlr input, and a grounding post on the back of the amp. Other than those relatively minor points, they couldn't have designed a better sub.

I'm selling my NAD T-163 processor, as I'm buying a B&K Ref 50 this weekend. I found a deal that I couldn't pass up and it will allow me to use the XLR inputs on my amp (finally!!). I'm looking for $850, but will entertain any reasonable offer. It's a great preamp, but i'll have no use for it, as I already have a decent reciever for my bedroom system. I bought it open box a few months ago from a friend of mine who's a NAD dealer. It's been upgraded to the version 2 software and has PLIIx.

I have 2 of them in my current setup. I love them, they are the smoothest subs I have ever heard (with the exception of the Martin Logan Desscent, but the klipsch kills it in output). I currently have them seperated and against the front wall. I'm sure I could get more output but stacking them and corner loading them, but they are so smooth I hate to move them. I have my RF7s crossed over at 80htz and the sub amp at 100 htz (80htz on the processor) and they blend very well. Sub output is at 0 on the processor and bass is at '0' as well. Amp is set to half power and they almost overpower the RF7s. They are my favorite piece of gear. I would recomend them in a heartbeat.

Does anyone know the differences between series 1 and series 2? I found a pretty good deal on a series 1, but want to make sure I'm not missing out on something important. Would a balanced connection out of a ref 50 be a decent improvement from the rca out on my NAD? I'm trying to lower my noise floor and get rid of some ground loop issues i've been having. Thanks. EDIT:: a good deal on a series 1

Am I the only one not excited by this prospect?? I don't want to have to ugrade again, I've barely had the RF-7s a year. That's way to soon to be getting the upgrade bug again.