Razorback Posted March 21, 2001 Share Posted March 21, 2001 Just purchased some RCW-3's for rear surround but space limitations and things in the way might cause me to go with the RCR in ceiling speakers instead. How does in-ceiling speakers compare to side wall mounted speakers as far as the surround effect? Any advice would be appreciated! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badbob Posted March 22, 2001 Share Posted March 22, 2001 I recently installed the RCR-5's as my rear surrounds (KLF-20 fronts, KLF-C7 center)and have been very happy with them! The only difference between in-wall and in-ceiling, that I am aware of, is the mounting depth of the speaker itself. Hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razorback Posted March 22, 2001 Author Share Posted March 22, 2001 Thanks alot for the comments! I am just new to the world of home theater, though I have owned a pair of Klipsch Tangent 400's for about 8 yrs now I have never had the complete surround setup. So as I build my new house I wanted to make sure I got a good system. I have decided to go with the RCR-5's as rear surrounds. RC-3 Center along with the Tan 400's as fronts. Any tricks to installing the RCR's in the ceiling? I will not have the pre-construction brackets so any help or hints as the best way to go about doing it would be appreciated also. And how far back from the couch (listening area) should the ceiling speakers be do you think? Put them the same distance apart as the fronts? Again, thank you for the comment! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badbob Posted March 22, 2001 Share Posted March 22, 2001 There are no real tricks to installing the speakers. I just made sure that the center of the speaker was centered between two ceiling joists. The ceiling joists will pretty much dictate where the speakers can go! I have my RCR-5's located about 1-2 ft. behind my couch (i.e. listening area) and 1-2 ft. wider (each side) than my couch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Adams Posted March 22, 2001 Share Posted March 22, 2001 Razorback - When my new home was under construction, I too was perplexed about what to do with rear surrounds since the room shape dictated the couch be against the rear wall. Spoke to Trey "loose" Cannon and fax'd him a sketch of the room. Initially, I had planned to use in-wall speakers (RCW's)in the vault of my vaulted ceiling for I didn't think RS-3's would work in that location. Trey opined that he didn't think I'd be happy with the in-wall and that the RS-3's would work. I went with the RS-3's and have been very pleased. Are you sure there's no other option for your surrounds?Personally, I wouldn't use the RCR in the ceiling. Rather, I'd use the RCW. As for actually mounting them, I installed a pair of SCW-1's in the ceiling of my bedroom and it was very easy - messy as hell, but easy. First, use this installation as an opportunity to aquire a new tool (mmmm...tools ). Get thee to your favorite hardware store and buy a Dremel or Roto-Zip. Personally, I got the variable speed Dremel since it's more versatile. Next, use the supplied cardboard template and trace the cutout lines onto the ceiling using an icepick. Cover up everything in the room, put on your safety glasses & papermask and go at it. The speaker mounting frame has built in tabs that swing out to clamp the frame to the sheetrock. You'll see what I mean when you get the speakers. Once the frame is secure, the speaker mounts to the frame and presto - you're done. Tom Adams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razorback Posted March 22, 2001 Author Share Posted March 22, 2001 Thanks Badbob and Tom for both of your input. I do appreciate it. Well I will have both the RCR's and RCW's the next day or so cause I ordered the RCW's first and then thought about it and had them send the RCR's also! lol My right side wall is the problem Tom, I have two 3' X 6' windows 8' apart and then will have a 42 inch fireplace between them. I am building the house as we speak, the electricians just got done wiring yesterday and the insulators start Friday, but will be in other rooms first so that I can go in and prewire Saturday for the speakers. The fireplace hasnt been built yet between the windows so I have no idea how much space I will have between the windows and the fireplace, hence my indecision about the inwall speakers there. And thats pretty much my only possible location to put inwalls. I'd have to squeeze them in between the window and the fireplace and dont know how that would look. I doubt it would be centered and might look weird. Plus the fireplace will stick out from the wall about 2' so wouldnt the sound be blocked from inwalls there? The sheetrock goes up early next week so I have to make a decision this weekend! lol Any thoughts or more advice now that you know my situation a little better? Thanks alot for everything!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Adams Posted March 26, 2001 Share Posted March 26, 2001 Razorback - I think I see your dilemma. Is your fireplace a typical modern day type that has a prefab box with a round metal flue? Also, how will the wall above the fireplace be finished - i.e. drywall, stone, brick? The reason I ask is that I have some notions of what you can do (assuming you haven't already done something). Contact me off-line and we'll chat. Tom Adams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razorback Posted March 26, 2001 Author Share Posted March 26, 2001 Thanks for replying again Tom! After meeting with the builder Friday to let him show me the dimensions of the fireplace I ruled out inwalls because the brick section of fireplace will be right at the window edge, leaving zero room for speakers. So I went ahead and wired for the in-ceiling speakers Saturday. Now my question is there proper placement for surround sound. I have them set about 2 ft behind and 3 ft to the side of the couch (listening area). Do you think this is ok or should I reposition them closer or directly over the couch? The sheetrock goes up tomorrow! lol Anyway, thanks for the help!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Adams Posted March 27, 2001 Share Posted March 27, 2001 <Tom, hoping to beat the sheetrock dude, says> razorback - I would put those speakers directly over the seating area spaced at least 8 or 10 feet apart. BTW, I'd sure like to see a picture of that room. My gut tells me speakers on stands would've been the way to go. But I can understand the esthetics of not having speakers in the way. Tom Adams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razorback Posted March 27, 2001 Author Share Posted March 27, 2001 Just missed them Tom! lol But thanks for trying anyway, and yeah I really never considered speaker stands just because I dont like the looks of them plus the fact that my 6 yr old and 2 yr old would love knocking them over on a daily basis! The speakers are placed as I described yesterday, about 2 feet behind and 3 feet to either side of the ends of the couch. This places them about 4 feet from the side walls and about 3 feet from the back wall (the back wall isnt really that as it has an opening on one side going into the dining room, and another opening on the opposite side going into the breakfast area, so the back "wall" is only about 10 ft total). I hope this will work, we shall see I guess. Anything beats what I had, which was nothing. Thanks for the help Tom! And I hope the fact that I didnt put them directly over the seating area doesnt hurt me to much! Razorback Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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