kenratboy Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 OK, now that I have my 2-channel dreams fufilled (see sig), I want to think about a smaller HT rig for my 13' X 13'6 bedroom. While I will listen to SOME music, it will be mostly a cinema system. So here is the deal: -Because of where I work, I will be getting the new Synergy stuff, so do NOT recommend Reference or anything like that, mkay? -Before, I was going to go with monster mains, but my Chorus II's take care of my 110 dB. music desires -I already have a pair of VERY nice 30" floor stands that are all steel and filled with sand (refer to this later) -When I move on in life (first pad), this system will go with me, so I want it flexable -I have my JBL E250P subwoofer, so bass is not an issue. I will want to have these speakers running as satellites at about 80Hz. high-pass. So: -I will get a C-3, that is a given: http://www.klipsch.com/product/product.aspx?cid=840§ion=specs - I want a large center. -What should I do for surrounds? I will probably go with the S-3's - http://www.klipsch.com/product/product.aspx?cid=843§ion=specs - as there really isn't a reason not to!!! -The real question is what to do for the mains. I am seriously thinking of getting the B-3's and using my stands. Down the road, I could put them on a shelf, in a cabinet, etc. and they would be fine for HOME THEATER (not music) - as the L/R speakers are kinda along for the ride. This would give me the same woofer and tweeter as the center, further inproving the system. However, I could get rid of the stands and get a F-1 (same drivers as the B-3 and C-3), but they are floorstanders and have more bass. Only downside (cost isn't a big issue, but not irrelivant) is they need to go on the floor and that kills flexability. The F-2's are larger with their dual woofers. The F-3's might be overkill for a small system and the cost compared to the B-3's is starting to be more than 2X. So, what would you do? C-3 center, PROBABLY S-3's for surrounds, and what mains? Because of the goal of this system, it is probably down to the B-3's or F-1's. What to choose. Remember, I have some Chorus II's 20 steps away if I want to listen to music. This is a cute little home theater system, not a 2-channel death machine. Thanks!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underhanded Penguin Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 I dunno about sound but I personally think the new synergy looks better than the new reference. It has a cool stark industrial style to it that I really dig. The new reference by comparison just looks cheesy. Especially the RW subs. God those feet are ugly. Then again maybe I'm just being picky because I come from a design background. Kudos to Klipsch on the new synergy styling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scp53 Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 why not f2s instead of f1s?? i dont think there that much bigger. remember you buy once. i d much rather get something overkill than to small. and Underhanded Penguin, i agree the synergy does look better than the new refs. i dont think the refs look bad , just think the synergy looks better with grey/black finish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenratboy Posted November 12, 2004 Author Share Posted November 12, 2004 Well, my question is - B-3's would probably be more than sufficent, and if I were to get F-2's, I might as well get F-3's, and that is right back to where I started! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill H. Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 Ken, The B-3's should serve you well in your Bedroom....... As far as my research the Bigger F2 or F3......are quite efficient. Good Luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMcGoo Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 Ken, Since you have a subwoofer, go with the C-3 then B-3s all around. Your system will sound very good with both music and movies, and it will be easy to move. The benefit of the B-3s is that panning around the room should be seamless. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenratboy Posted November 12, 2004 Author Share Posted November 12, 2004 So use B-3's for surrounds? Why would they be better for panning over the S-3's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMcGoo Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 Ken, The different configuration of the S-3 speaker will give a slight difference in sound that may be audible. The standard for multi-channel music is to use identical speakers all around. THX uses identical speakers in front. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenratboy Posted November 12, 2004 Author Share Posted November 12, 2004 But I would think Klipsch would have taken care of that. Big problem is I can only wall mount (one above my bed, one above my desk), and large bookshelf speakers might be a PITA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMcGoo Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 The S-3 uses WDST with two tweeters and one woofer. For movies, they would be ok. For movies and music, the B-3s would be better. The B-3s could be mounted on shelfs, if there is room. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenratboy Posted November 12, 2004 Author Share Posted November 12, 2004 I'm not too hot on music surround systems - just isn't my thing. I do realize this will be a growing trend in the future. I want to make it clear I am a big movie buff, and that will only grow. For example, I saw the Incredibles on Tuseday and loved it, anything, just watching a movie. However, at home, it is rare I get to watch a movie without someone bothering me (don't mind someone watching with me) and I just don't bother most of the time. I love music, but movies will come first for this rig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMcGoo Posted November 13, 2004 Share Posted November 13, 2004 On this board, many members have tossed their WDST surrounds in favor of bookshelves or center channels. Many movies have excellent sound tracks. The future will bring better sound. Full range sound is where it is at for surrounds, just like the mains. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenratboy Posted November 13, 2004 Author Share Posted November 13, 2004 Hmmmmm... Anyone else have input for me? I could do shelves, but again, just trying to think of limitations. To generalize, I am sitting in the middle of a square room. The only place the speakers can go is in the back corners, I assume this would be better for normal bookshelf speakers over dedicated surrounds like the S-3? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Robinson Posted November 13, 2004 Share Posted November 13, 2004 Ken, I'm assuming that when you say "bedroom", it is a spare bedroom that will be a dedicated HT space. Looking at your room dimensions, I see a quick issue that needs to be dealt with. It's square. You are going to have huge standing wave issues in the corners, and lack of bass response in the middle of the room due to wave cancellation (null) heading towards each other from opposite walls and corners. I would spend a few bucks and put some decent bass traps in the four vertical corners, and possibly along the top of the back wall. You've got 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th modes below 300Hz, which is where one usually has problems: 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 71Hz 141Hz 212Hz 283Hz 43Hz 85Hz 128Hz 171Hz 43Hz 87Hz 130Hz 174Hz Check out this site: http://www.rpginc.com/hometheater/index.htm There are similar products at Auralex and Sonex, but a little bit of room treatment will go a LONG way towards making whatever you get sound a whole lot better! If you like the sound improvement (and it will be VERY audible), you might consider some treatment of the rear wall as well. _______________________________ Music Hall MMF-7 Turntable w/ Goldring Eroica H MC Njoe Tjoeb 4000 CDP with 24 bit/192 KHz Upsampling Wright Sound WPP-100C Phono Stage JF Lessard Pantheon 6SN7 SRPP Preamp w/ RCA 5R4GY & Sylvania 6SN7 JF Lessard Horus Parafeed Cobalt 2A3 Monoblocks w/ Tung Sol 5687 & AVVT 2A3 1976 KCBR Klipschorns with ALK Crossovers Gear Online: Two Channel & Home Theater Systems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psg Posted November 13, 2004 Share Posted November 13, 2004 On 11/13/2004 10:04:35 AM Chris Robinson wrote: Ken, I'm assuming that when you say "bedroom", it is a spare bedroom that will be a dedicated HT space. Chris, unless I'm mistaken, Ken is younger than most of us and lives with his parents. This is actually his room. Is that right Ken? He's getting a head start on most people his age! Good stuff! When I was about 17 and living at my parents, I started a mobile disco service for fun and profit. Not a big deal, maybe a dozen gigs a year for 2 or 3 years unless real life caught up. After the first gig spending all the profit renting out a Bose 301 system, a cousin of mine heard about what I was up to and sold me his La Scala's which were sitting in his basement (low WAF for him!). Paid C$800 for the pair! Well, 25 years later I still have those speaker and they are the heart of my audio/HT setup! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Robinson Posted November 13, 2004 Share Posted November 13, 2004 Peter, ooops! Good catch. I had totally forgotten that he is a "yoot" He's been posting here so long that I figured he was in his 30's and owned his own home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenratboy Posted November 13, 2004 Author Share Posted November 13, 2004 No, no, it's all cool. I am just a cheap SOB and live at home while I go to college. Have you seen rent's? Even with a roomate, I would (including utilities) have to shell out the better part of $500 a month! That does not cover food, car insurance, etc. Needless to say, this is why I can buy a nice home theater system at 19 without the help from mommy and daddy (except living at home) Anyway, yes, not the ideal room. The room is full of furniture (bed in back corner, huge L-shaped desk in the other back corner, so I am sure that helps) and the fact the room is so small, I have been able to overcome some bass issues with sheer power, but it always seems a bit 'dead' when the subwoofer is cranking away. Not ideal, but not too bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psg Posted November 13, 2004 Share Posted November 13, 2004 No, no, it's all cool. I am just a cheap SOB and live at home while I go to college. Nothing to feel bad about. I'm sure your parent are happy to have you still around... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zargathos Posted November 13, 2004 Share Posted November 13, 2004 If this system is primarily for movies and TV watching, I can recommend the WDST's. I have a Reference 3 setup, and I can highly recommend the WDST's (I have RS-3's) for movies, and normal TV viewing (especially Football broadcasts in HD with DD 5.1 audio!) When I listen to music, it's the old-fashioned 2-channel variety. I only own a couple of 5 channel audio disks. Even so, the RS-3's still do the job admirably. BTW, I've given the new Synergy series a listen, and the B3, F3, S3, and C3 are great value for the money. I still prefer my own Reference speakers (owner's bias, I guess), but the larger Synergy speakers compare favorably. Or, try to pick up some used Reference 3's. Either way, you can't go wrong. As to your original question (B3 vs F1), I'd go with the B3, especially since you already have a subwoofer to fill in the bass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenratboy Posted November 13, 2004 Author Share Posted November 13, 2004 OK, B-3's it is. I was doing some soul searching and I think they will be fine, and I really want the flexability. Again, either CASUAL (80 dB. levels) background music or home theater. I don't need large mains! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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