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Here is a photo of the speakers and the Denon (hiding in the shades of the AV rack)

I have a few things I plan to sell on ebay/audiogon. But prior to that decided to let the forum members have a chance to buy them. All items were bought from authorized dealers (Tweeter, Century Electronics, 6AVE). All speakers are in BLACK finish. All are in great shape. RF3 speakers do not have original packaging. Denon has and is still on manufacturer's warranty, is in perfect visual and functional condition. So, here they are: Klipsch RF3 (Black) Floorstanding speakers - $500 for the pair Klipsch RC3-II (Black) center channel speaker - $250 All three Klipsches bundled - $700 Denon AVR3803 - $750 I am located in NW suburbs of Chicago. I am open to discussing shipping to other locations. Thank you.

Danderson, I also have a Denon AVR3803 mated to RF3II/RC3II/RB5II and I have yet to feel any lack of power of this receiver. It does not sound tinny at all in any mode. Something has to be wrong there. There are so many variables that affect the resulting sound quality. Source, interconnects, setup, etc. Btw, I am pretty sure that old Pio did not have a source direct mode. So when Pio was in your system it did process the music (I guess with some treble/bass boost on). However you are comparing it to pure direct mode in which Denon does not process the audio signal at all, just passes it over to the amps. If the source is not of high enough quality, then raw signal might sound tinny, as you know the universal rule: garbage in, garbage out. To make the comparison fair turn Denon in Stereo mode and apply similar treble/bass settings. I am sure your impression will be completely different. AL24 processing alone makes a world of difference.

BBB, is that an oxygen based display technology? Man, I like the resolution ...

I would focus primarily on room treatments - they can change the resulting sound dramatically.

Denon is replacing DVD5900 with DVD5910 in a few months. Yesterday Marantz announced a new Universal player, DV9500, which is based on the transport of the dedicated SACD player, Marantz SA8400 (not to be confused with Marantz universal model DV8400, they look very different, see links below). DV9500 sounds like a great unit. Here are some specs: - HDMI/D2/Component/S-Video/Composite video interface - digital coax/optical/analog 5.1 audio interface - DD / DTS / DTS24/96 / Dolby Headphone onboard decoder - 14bit/216MHz video DAC - Crystal CS4398 24 bit/192 KHz audio DAC - Cirrus Logic 32 bit DSP engine - effective audio frequency response 4 Hz - 88 KHz - s/n 130 dB - 110 dB dynamic range - THD 0.0008% - weight 18.7 lb - MSRP (Japan) $1400 !!!!!!!!! - expected to ship - July 2004 This is the link to a new DV9500: http://www.marantz.jp/he/news/press/dv9500.shtml This is the SACD player SA8400 whose transport is used in DV9500: http://www.marantz.jp/he/products/a...400/index.shtml And for reference, here is the link to the current universal DV8400: http://www.marantz.jp/he/products/h...400/index.shtml

Tom, I just stumbled upon another DVD concert that can be described in a similar fashion - it has so much positive energy and fun radiating from it. I refer to Brian Setzer Orchestra: Live in Japan. Highly recommend. Excelent audio tracks btw (both DD5.1 and DTS). It will take you right into the fun and crazy mood of the 60s

I might be wrong, but my hunch is that MrMcGoo was referring to what a Denon rep, DenonJeff posted on the AVS Forum that this year there will be released several new receivers, starting with 3805. Here is the quote: "However I can say that we are replacing the entire line of receivers (7 total models) and all new DVD lineup (5 total models). All will be released starting now with the AVR-3805 on through to October - most will be out by the end of summer."

---------------- On 5/20/2004 5:06:51 PM popbumper wrote: EVERYTHING is relative. Popbumper, is your real name Einstein? Enjoyed your post immensely, especially your way of clarifying the point.

Where facts and logic stop, faith begins ...

Sounds like a business opportunity, Michael. Hmm, should we make a start up and call it BS Audio?

My friend did, I just borrowed his cables for comparison. But yes, they are easy to deal with.

Yes, I have tried these cables, they are about the best value on the market. They use Canare RCAPs which are good but not the best, and Belden cable, one of the leading brands of cable for professional and consumer applications. I just posted in another thread about power cord upgrades, that I compared these cables with Audio Quest and Outlaw Audio interconnect cables. I did not detect any discernable difference in the way all three sets performed. All a good cable needs to do is to not degrade the signal going through it. Blue Jeans cable do that sucessfully. I ended up with Outlaws mostly for the reason I preferred their connectors: they are screw on type allowing a very tight connection. Outlaw Audio cables are somewhat more expensive than Blue Jeans, but are still within reasonable price range.

I agree with minn_male. At one point I was also very intrigued by all this "cable science". Especially, I was impressed by the "scientific" articles on the AudioQuest web site. Luckily I knew a person who was selling AQ products and therefore had an opportunity last year to test the whole package from AQ: a NAG series power cord, YIQ4 component cables and Cobra (I think that was the name but not 100% sure) analog interconnects. I had these cables for about two weeks in my house, testing them on my equipment, listening to my music. As much as I wanted to hear a difference between AQ cables and other more affordable options, I could not detect any - neither in video nor in audio. I mean, if you would compare them to crappy cables you WILL see and hear the difference, but that was not the case in my test setup - the other cables I had from Outlaw Audio and Blue Jeans were as good as AQ. Another friend of mine was also willing to give them a try and his equipment is a lot more high-end than mine. After some time he also reported total lack of any perceivable improvements. So, the AQ package went back to the seller, and I am using Outlaw Auio cables, that are of good quality and at the same time are very affordable. The equipment I was testing the cables with were: Klipsch Ref series speakers (RF3/RC3-II/RB5-II), Denon AVR3803 receiver, Denon DVD2900 player, JVC D-VHS player, Hitachi CRT RPTV, Adcom ACE-615 PLC, Comcast STB. So, I lean towards calling many of those claims as Snake Oil, though depending on what you are upgrading from you might indeed see and hear the difference, but I believe the same will happen with any higher quality products.

No, DVI is not for audio, it is designed to carry a digital video signal, hense its name Digital Video Interface (DVI). Normally DVI should be better than component, but in reality there are cases when component might be advantageos. Also, DVI has limitation in the max run length. I dont remember exactly what is the max length for a DVI cable, perhaps someone else will chime in (was it 15 feet???). For longer runs they offer optical DVI cables, but those are really expensive (around $800). Now, that was all theory, but a more accurate answer will be possible if you would share more information avout your setup - source, display, distance, etc.

One other thing to keep in mind is size: SVS are really huge subs, so this might be a problem for some, especially in smaller apartments. I have never heard an SVS so no comments on their performance. I did hear RSW-15 perform in a RF7 setup a few times at my local Klipsch dealer's showroom and it was very impressive. Btw, most people here mean cylinder SVS subs when they mention them, but as you might know SVS launched "box" type subs as well. Also, you mentioned Norway - I am not sure if SVS will sell directly to Norway, but even if they do, the shipping charges and customs clearance might be enormous.

Yesterday I bought G3: Live in Denver. I liked the idea of seeing these three guitar players jam together (Joe Satriani, Steve Vai and Yngwie Malmsteen). These guys rocked!!!

Mike, thanks for the link Yes, I knew her name, but had no clue who she was. For some weird reason, perhaps I misinterpreted something, I thought she was from Scandinavia ... Apparently she is from much warmer places

Btw, does anyone know if Dire Straits ever released a SACD/DVD-A/DTS/DVD Concert?

Ou6thisSN, I saw your post in AVS and replied there. I think you got a lemon. Also when I read that your dealer was claiming Denon does not pas frequences below 80Hz to the speakers, I instantly knew the dealer is a fraud. Send your stuff back to him. And get the real 3803, not the cheaper version (1083) - it might be built to lower standards and have not as good components as 3803.

I agree with most of the discs mentioned in this thread. Would like to second ELO "ZOOM" - a fantastic trip back to 70s. Very professional performance, in many ways I like the way their song sound now compared to the original recordings. They sound a bit more mature. And the hot chick n the stage - oh la la ... Also, I would like to mention a couple DVD-A discs - I know they are not DVD concerts - both are by Queen - A Night at The Opera and The Game. I wish they released the rest of Queen's albums in DVD-A or SACD.

Yes, EZ Go to User CP, then to Edit Options, then scroll down the page to Other Options, and there you will see Style Set and a pull down menu next to it - select AVS White.

Just a quick note: I remember you mentioned your wife was not quite happy with the large speakers. If so, she would probably not get too extatic about SVS sub - those babies are huge. If this will be a problem, then I would like to offer one of the affordable alternatives - I heard a lot of very positive feedback about Outlaw Audio LFM-1 subwoofer ($579) that was designed by the well known Dr. Poh Ser Hsu. I am not sure if it will be a good match to your system, but it's a good idea to at least keep LFM-1 on the short list. http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/lfm1.html#

Thanks Picky! I appreciate your tips. My question did nto have much of a practical implication, I was just curious how these auto setup systems differ and how do they fare against each other. In other words, should a choice of a proper setup system be a major factor while chosing a receiver. In my main setup I have AVR3803 that does not have any kind of auto setup. Yet, in my secondary system I have a Pio Elite digital receiver VSX50 that does have MCACC and I am quite happy with it as well.

mmiles, all of the issues I referred to are being discussed at the AVS Forum in detail with direct participation of Denon rep (DenonJeff) and the guys from HomeTheaterHiFi.