Grand11

---------------- On 9/3/2003 12:39:43 PM picky-picky wrote: I just, read the thread about not having a sub is a sin :-) ---------------- Hehehe, that was my thread. I still don't have that sub yet, I'm waiting for my card to clear it's charges then I've personally settled on a SVS cylinder. Still debating 25-31 or 20-39 ... we'll see what mood I'm in when I hit "buy now".

---------------- On 8/27/2003 12:45:53 PM prodj101 wrote: high end receivers suffer the same negatives as low ones, it's not like they have magical parts that allow all the components within the receiver to pick up zero interference between eachother, and have the equivilant of seperate power supplies. I would just get the cheaper receiver, especially at that price range.I have had to pioneer's and they work fine. ---------------- Um, but high-end recievers DO have seperate powersupplies in them. I know my 3801 has 4, and the Denon 5803s have 8. You're right: you won't get zero interference but the higher end models do address this best they can. Not only that, but lower end recievers have much cheaper DACs (96khz and possibly lower) which is much more noticable to the average listener than power interference (at least on the scale of reciever vs. seperates). I didn't check what his budget would allow, but there is a definate difference between the reciever lineups, IMHO.

Over a month? I ordered a full 35 set including those RF-35 and got them last Friday. The order went in two weeks before. So my dealer got them in a week and I got them a week later. All I can say is: they're worth the wait.

I did read all the posts ... it was an attempt at humor (I renamed the poster mistress, some married men have them ...). It obvisouly failed.

Well RadioShack has a great deal on some RCA recievers, but if you really want to impress the friends try to find thier old Olypmus line on E-Bay. You could buy a seperate amp per channel that way, then slap on a premium pre-amp from Goldstar! Just make sure to get a Monster Power AVS 2000 later to protect this great gear ...

Does anyone else see the humor in watching a guy talk a "mistress" into comming down to his house and tunning some things up? ... I'm just sayin' ...

---------------- On 8/26/2003 12:09:53 PM fabulousfrankie wrote: You're going by JBL's rated lower extension limit which is misleading, they don't specify if 22hz is -3dB or -20dB. When Tom Nousaine measured it, he indicated it's low end extension limit was 41hz in his room. With the SVS', you can usually expect 2-3hz lower extension than it's tuning point. If you desire even deep extension w/out any extra cost, before you order fire off an email saying you want it retuned to 22hz. They do this for free and then you can have useable extension to 20hz unless you're room isn't extrodinarily huge. ---------------- Wow, thanks for the tip! The SVS is "sounding" better and better with each bit of info I get.

---------------- On 8/26/2003 11:50:54 AM avman wrote: that jbl sub you cancelled is a very nice offering from that company. your whole system's performance will improve w/ a GOOD sub. don't even think about putting your old sub in your system. as deep as my klf-30's dig, adding the rsw-15 took EVERYTHING to the next level! avman. ---------------- I had a feeling the old sub would be a waste so I didn't even bother trying. As for the company, I'll go ahead and endorse them: www.acousticsounddesign.com. Worked with Mike Embers, and was very pleased. Got my whole setup and ended up cancelling the sub. You may recall an earlier thread I posted that I was unsure but had ordered my 35s from him: well they came in and I couldn't be happier. The SN sticker is still on them to boot: they were just removed from the box; not the unit. Anyway, he is technically unauthorized, so take it as you will, but the prices are very good and they offer thier own warranties (to make up for the one you've voided by going unauthorized.) My only complaints would have been he was a little slow in getting me my tracking number (I got the tracking number the same day the package arived) and that the units were not double-boxed (but they survived so no biggie). Anyway, we'll see if I can survive the month and then get a sub. SHould I stay with a 12" (which basically means I have to get an SVS) or should I look at some 10" models (smaller so more options)?

Interseting responses. Everything from don't rush it to how dare you It looks like the SVS cylinders with thier 16" diameter footprint will fit just nicely (the round shape helps tons), but they're more money than the sub I ordered/cancelled by about $120 (This is just the 25-31). So it's money saving time (not to mention I would like the credit card to clear the old charge before putting a new one on). Again, I could throw in a powered 8" sub into the mix but it just seems ... well wrong. I'd rather give the old HTIB to a friend and go subless for awhile. So is the SVS 25-31 a good match to the R?-35 system? It is somewhat comforting to see that not everyone thinks I'm insane Oh the "small stuff": I have a house (no shared walls), and the HT is in the living room space downstairs. The room itself is "designated as mine", but it's still a high traffic zone because it acts as an access point to the garage, backyard, kitchen, and family room. That means alot of entryways, and alot of open floor space that needs to stay open to allow people to get by with ease (no funny side-steps required). http://members.cox.net/grand11/ht01.jpg (what the heck are the url tags on this board?) Here's an image I've been passing out so people can see my new 35s. Maybe this will give you an idea of my problem. If you look atthe sliding door on the side, you'll notice the door is up against the wall. That means someone needs to be able to get around my RF-35 to get outside. So I can't really push my theater over (it would be off center anyway) because it would block access to the backyard. On the other side of the HT, The lamp can go (I was planning removing it) but there is only about 14-15" from RF-35 to the wall. Most 12" subs are a good 17". As it turns out, the RF-35 doesn't go back-to-the-wall, so technically I could drop a SVS back there in the corner (the round shape will let it fit without hitting the RF, but only by an inch). If you see the move rack against the wall, you should know that the rack ends right where the entry way to the garage begins, so I can't push that over and put a sub there. Finally you may notice the back of the couch is off center. That's because the opposite corner has a wet bar (converted to a snack bar) and in order to walk by the couch it needed to sit off center. Directly behind the couch is also another entry way, this time to the kitchen. End result: sub can't go to either side ofthe couch because it would close the walk route. Sub can't go behind it because it blocks the kitchen. Finally the back wall ... wel there is none. Space just flows into the family room. If you guys want more pictures, I'll provide them, but the front wall inthe corner with the lamp seems to be the only feesable spot for a sub, and SVS is the only 12" model that would fit. I hope this gives you an idea of where I'm comming from.

---------------- On 8/25/2003 4:34:06 PM chinoloco wrote: Its 7.1 (not 5.1 or 6.1 but 7.1) ---------------- I thought 6.1=7.1? They were the exact same thing and the only difference was if you used one speaker or two for the rear souround channel (they were fed the same signal)? Are true 7.1 systems available now or is the above still true?

I have Klipsh 35s all around on a Denon 3801. I believe the 3803 (current model) is still under $1000, and I'd get that over the 2803 any day. One of the main reasons is the 3803 is the lowest end Denon model that has independant power supplies inside. Not very familiar with the other models, but I'd step up that Denon

I looked at the SVS 25-31PCi and that size looks perfect. Range almost as low as the JBL (it hit 22) and the dimensions are great (16" will need to be measured by that should fit in a corner nicely. My only complaint would be it looks like it's an exta $100 than the JBL ... such is life, eh? OK comments: will the SVS 25-31PCi be a good match? I'm assuming this is an online-only store?

My old subwoofer is a dual 8", and is a tube design. (EDIT: oh wait, saw the website ... now I know wheat you're talking about and NO it's nothing like that). As for sounds below 25Hz, my old system didn't drop below 40 so I'm not missing anymore than I was already. But your right: power is an issue. It's hard to explain why there are room constraints. It's not so much the size of the room; it's the amount of entry ways it has (couldn't get a perfectly enclosed space). I have essentially 1 wall I can line my gear up against, as anything else placed anywhere else on the floor will impact traffic. So the verdict seems to be: find a way to make the sub fit. Does anyone have some more suggestions on subs? SOmething with a small footprint but still compliments the 35s?

I finally got my Klipsch in and running on Saturday (a different story all together), and the dedicated JBL S120PII 12" was suppossed to ship today. But it didn't, and I'd like some opinions on if I made a big mistake. First, what I have: RC-35 center matched with a pair of RF-35s and RS-35s. My old system was a JBL SRS-120 sat+sub HTIB. Had it for 5 or 6 years. I list that so you can maybe understand where I'm comming from. When I got the 5 speakers in on Friday and hooked them up, I was floored. They sound great. I needed to test them right away so I could start the RMA process if something was wrong but nothing was. In fact, I noticed that the RF-35 were handling the lows just fine. I began to worry if I'd have too much bottom end, but then told myself I could just cross over so the 12" handled everything below 40hz and take over where the RF's left off (they're about 37hz I think?). Then I took a good look at my room and ran into another issue: the darn JBL sub was going to to be too big physically. It was going to go next to the RF on the left side, but I didn't have enough room from wall to speaker by about 3" (maybe a little more, forget the ammount). Sounds minor? Well consider on the other side I have a door and thus no play what so ever to push my setup over with (well maybe an inch, but you get the idea). Putting two and two together, I ended up canceling the 12" sub. It sounds wonderful without a dedicated sub, but there's always that lingering doubt that maybe I should get something to fit in that space. I could hook up my old sub from the HTIB. It's actually a pair of downfiring 8", but very muddy compared to the RFs, and I'm not sure adding a couple more 8" is worth the effort. Should I really work at finding a way to fit a sub into the space? If so, are there any good 10" models that would pair nice with RF-35s or should I just stay with hunting for 12"? Do any other movie watchers use no sub or am I alone here? Am I a sinner?

---------------- On 8/19/2003 4:46:54 PM TheEAR wrote: Excuse me but any place that removes serial numbers from stock I buy is clearly a crooked and stinking business. death to all those who remove serial numbers(what do they hide?) Stolen goods? Tampered goods? Klipsch should not cover ANY warranty when serial numbers are tampered or removed. ---------------- Klipsch will not make an authorized dealer out of ANY online company. Because of this Klipsch would not cover any product bought online, serial or not. Period. Denon and alot of other electronic manuf. do the same. That's just a given. As for why the #s are removed, I'm not sure. Not just the company above, but every company I checked online that was a true online-only store told me the same thing (I looked for about a week). It had something to do with that fact that these companies offered thier own in-house warranty to replace the fact that Klipsch won't honor one through an online purchase. Details were not given. But I noticed that even if the website didn't disclose this, when I e-mailed and questioned they would confirm it. So instead I checked with BBB, Biz-Rate, and other quality assurance method sites I could find. (Yes I know some linked just to the homepage and didn't actually register, I checked.) It actually has some good customer response. Guess I'll find out.

Well back to the $1500 - $2000 budget, you can get a pair of RF-25, RS-25, and an RC-25 that will fit in the budget nicely. If you're not against buying online, you can upgrade that to R?-35 all the way around, instead. That will all end up around $1500 in cost, and you may need a sub (the pair of 8inch from the two RFs may not be enough punch). With sub you'll be bumping into your $2000 limit, so that's completely up to you.

Well, hopefully I'll have the same luck. At least it's good to know someone was pleased with the order.

---------------- On 8/18/2003 10:46:29 AM dougdrake wrote: Bought a Quintet setup from them and it arrived in great condition, sealed box, with original serial numbers. Would look at them again if I was in the market. DD ---------------- I just ordered from them last Monday, and got an e-mail saying my speakers will be shipped tomorrow. (F?-35 all the way around). However, I talked extensively with Mike Embers who works there, and he told me serial numbers are removed from speakers. I asked him because I read a few sites that said they would be removed but his site didn't. He said "yes", he would remove the serials as well. His exact e-mail ---------------- last sight I read made it sound like they opened the box before hand and removed all serial/part numbers. Id prefer my setup un-touched. <--This is from me this will happen anywhere you buy on the net serial #s are removed <--M Embers Response ---------------- He seemed like an honest enough guy just trying to be able to distribute on the net so he got my order. If it really ships tomorrow I'll let you know when I get it, but I have no idea how you got everything with original s# ...