Deang

It's no secret that I absolutely ADORE the sound of the AE-25 with the RF7's. I have NEVER heard a better combo for Rock & Metal. My friend Mark bought my previously owned RC7's (remember I took them and twirled the horns, using them as bookshelves on stands), and is running them with Adcom stuff. It's intense to say the least, but I can only handle it for about 20 minutes -- after that, I start curling up into the fetal position. f> ------------------ Deanf>s> Bi-amplified Klipsch RF7s using a pair of AE-25 PP triode amps. A SF-Line 1 loaded with 6922's and a 9000ES finish the front. The low bass is supplied by SVS and Samson. The crossover is HSU.f>s>

It's true, I never get to hear them properly driven or in the ideal setting -- I always seem to hear them with solid state. I realize Heritage would sound much better with tubes -- but I don't care what you drive them with, it's not going to totally transform the sonic signature. I'm really starting to lean towards this idea that what kind of music you like and listen to should also play a factor in what you find the most appealing in a speaker. f>------------------ Deanf>s> Bi-amplified Klipsch RF7s using a pair of AE-25 PP triode amps. A SF-Line 1 loaded with 6922's and a 9000ES finish the front. The low bass is supplied by SVS and Samson. The crossover is HSU.f>s>

I heard some LaScala's Saturday, and I can say without any question that they are NOT for me. I really thought the sound exhibited had more in common with 'stage' type loudspeakers, than the smoothness and refinement found in most high-end offerings. Sure, they were clear as a bell, with what I felt was darn good bass -- but there is 'open', and then there is 'OPEN' to the point of obnoxiousness. They might be great with laid back Jazz, or Classical -- but with rock music, it is just too much of a good thing. I can maybe see why some might like them -- but they are not a set of speakers I would want to live with. I'll take the richness and texture of an RF7, over the 'bullet into the brain' sound of a LaScala anytime. f>------------------ Deanf>s> Bi-amplified Klipsch RF7s using a pair of AE-25 PP triode amps. A SF-Line 1 loaded with 6922's and a 9000ES finish the front. The low bass is supplied by SVS and Samson. The crossover is HSU.f>s>

I love "objective" advice. Really, go for the earbleeders. f>------------------ Deanf>s> Bi-amplified Klipsch RF7s using a pair of AE-25 PP triode amps. A SF-Line 1 loaded with 6922's and a 9000ES finish the front. The low bass is supplied by SVS and Samson. The crossover is HSU.f>s>

I seriously doubt the bass of the RF7 can hang with the folded horn bass of the K-horn. I'm pretty sure the K-horn would dust it pretty handily. Where I think you might be wrong is regarding the top end. I really believe the RF7 HF driver has detail in spades and offers a more "refined" sound. f> ------------------ Deanf>s> Bi-amplified Klipsch RF7s using a pair of AE-25 PP triode amps. A SF-Line 1 loaded with 6922's and a 9000ES finish the front. The low bass is supplied by SVS and Samson. The crossover is HSU.f>s>

I had my eye on that Cary SLP-94L on AudiogoN for about a week. I also sent an email about it, and one of my questions regarding scratches or other cosmetic blemishes went unanswered. I did find out the tubes were 9 months old -- I couldn't get the seller to budge on price. I figure with Ed's unit, at least I know exactly what I'm getting -- and it obviously would be a nice physical match with the AE-25. I'll get tube rectalfication -- so I can see what that fuss is all about, and what appears to be a simpler circuit as compared to the SLP-94L. The advertising info on the preamp doesn't say "Jensen" -- so I would presume they are not used. Vacuum tube rectification with a 6CA4 rectifier. Fully regulated high voltage power supplies utilizing a Motorola MJW16212 regulator. Film and foil power supply capacitors. Copper and oil capacitors in the regulator system. Direct coupling between gain and output stages. Noble dual volume potentiometer. Kimber Kable Silver Select wires on all audio leads, and Kimber RCA output connectors Cary upgraded machine aluminum control knobs. f>s> ------------------ Deanf>s> Bi-amplified Klipsch RF7s using a pair of AE-25 PP triode amps. A SF-Line 1 loaded with 6922's and a 9000ES finish the front. The low bass is supplied by SVS and Samson. The crossover is HSU.f>s> This message has been edited by deang on 07-07-2002 at 11:54 AM

Well, he did transfer the money to Paypal within 20 minutes after our discussion. I originally paid $1000 for the amp. I then bought the EL-34's for around $100, the Cleartops for $32, and the Beckmans's for $110. It cost me $192 to use the amp for 4 months. Not bad really, considering the enjoyment I got out of it. I still can't help but feel that if someone has a propensity for making offers and then not following through -- that this should be reflected in the feedback. This type of thing could cost one a potential sale -- if another offer comes through, and you decline, thinking it is already sold. f>s>------------------ Deanf>s> Bi-amplified Klipsch RF7s using a pair of AE-25 PP triode amps. A SF-Line 1 loaded with 6922's and a 9000ES finish the front. The low bass is supplied by SVS and Samson. The crossover is HSU.f>s>

Well, as usual, curiosity is getting the best of me. Since I just sold one of my Super Amps I have the money to try out the DJH AE-3, if I can pry it out of Ed's hands. Looks like horizontal biamping lasted less than a week. It sounded great, but then again -- so did one amp. I'm convinced biamping gave me gains in the bass -- but the highs seemed a little etched. If I turned down the volume control just a wee bit on the amp running the horns, it tamed things down somewhat, but at the expense of some dynamics. At any rate -- it was probably overkill. Since I still have my Line 1, I can make direct comparisons between the two preamps. It should be interesting, and I will certainly be posting my impressions. I figure Kelly steered me right with the Super Amp, and so there is no reason to believe he isn't steering me right on this also. I still think the Super Amp is a giant killer with the RF7's. Ed -- you have email. f>s> ------------------ Deanf>s> Bi-amplified Klipsch RF7s using a pair of AE-25 PP triode amps. A SF-Line 1 loaded with 6922's and a 9000ES finish the front. The low bass is supplied by SVS and Samson. The crossover is HSU.f>s>

A completely bizarre experience. I went to AudiogoN tonight for the express purpose of removing my add for the base Super Amp, because I had decided I mind as well stay biamped. I deleted the add and went to check my mail and found 5 emails asking about the amp!! That thing ran for over a month without even a nibble. I also saw Chris' in there again for $895, and another add for a Signature version for $1300. Mine sold for $1050, plus he agreed to pay shipping and the Paypal 3%. He did mention he liked the volume control because he wanted to go CD direct. He got a good deal. It's just going to kill me having to give up that power cord though. f>s>------------------ Deanf>s> Klipsch RF7s driven with the DJH AE-25 PP triode Super Amp. A SF-Line 1 loaded with 6922's and a 9000ES finish the front. The low bass is supplied by SVS and Samson. The crossover is HSU.f>s> This message has been edited by deang on 07-06-2002 at 11:09 PM

Mallet -- Cool. Don't forget though, God says, "My thoughts are not like youir thoughts, and my ways are not like your ways..." Audioholic -- Oops, sorry. This thread has so much going on in it, that I simply lost track of who thinks what. The Stooges dressed the way they are and their goofy salutes went right over my head! John's picture does illustrate a good point though, and is hard ignore. I do agree with you though. f>s> ------------------ Deanf>s> Bi-amplified Klipsch RF7s using a pair of AE-25 PP triode amps. A SF-Line 1 loaded with 6922's and a 9000ES finish the front. The low bass is supplied by SVS and Samson. The crossover is HSU.f>s> This message has been edited by deang on 07-06-2002 at 03:27 PM

Andy,f>s> Great post!f>s> ------------------ Deanf>s> Bi-amplified Klipsch RF7s using a pair of AE-25 PP triode amps. A SF-Line 1 loaded with 6922's and a 9000ES finish the front. The low bass is supplied by SVS and Samson. The crossover is HSU.f>s>

Tube Sounds You will need to live on the search tool both here and at The Asylum I kind of "settled" on the sound of a 6922 based preamp. It sounds very good in my system with the music I like, that, though I am tempted to change it out and try something different -- I don't feel completely driven and compelled to do so. You many end up trying different units until you decide what you like. Probably not what you wanted to hear -- but that's just how it is. I will say that since you are using KLF's, you might fair better staying with suggestions made my Mobile and others who use 'Heritage' based designs. There is no midrange horn in my RF7's -- and I suspect they are not as forward sounding as compared to KLF's or Heritage. Your system might see the biggest leap in performance my going with something a little warmer on the top. ------------------ Deanf>s> Bi-amplified Klipsch RF7s using a pair of AE-25 PP triode amps. A SF-Line 1 loaded with 6922's and a 9000ES finish the front. The low bass is supplied by SVS and Samson. The crossover is HSU.f>s>

Thanks guys. I'll give Kirk a call on Monday.f>s> ------------------ Deanf>s> Bi-amplified Klipsch RF7s using a pair of AE-25 PP triode amps. A SF-Line 1 loaded with 6922's and a 9000ES finish the front. The low bass is supplied by SVS and Samson. The crossover is HSU.f>s>

Nice post Mallet. I would just like to point out that the various beliefs are not as close to being the same as you state. I mean, you seemed to have no trouble deciding which side of fence to fall on. If YOU can choose a belief system by sifting through them, and making an informed choice based on your understanding of the teachings, and the application thereof -- then you can be assured that God as well can tell a difference. Doctrine ultimately reveals the character of God. Bad doctrine and dogma malign His character. It is not likely He is unconcerned with what people believe about Him -- anymore than you are not concerned with what people believe about you. Kelly -- I don't understand how you can compare the content of this thread to 'bad' talk radio. It's a good thread with some intelligent debate, completely devoid of hate mongering. I think many of us shifted our views to center somewhat, I know I did. I would hope you WOULD separate the views of certain individuals here, from their content on the 2 Channel Forum -- for the wall between church and state does not extend to people. Clipped -- and your point is? A person who speaks of their faith and related teachings is not "spiritual"? Does this also mean a person who speaks of the nuts and bolts regarding their audio equipment is not a "music lover"? The fact that everyone has been encouraged to not speak of religion and politics in mixed company, has given us an almost completely ignorant electorate, as well as equally ignorant church assemblies. Audioholic -- I have no idea how The Stooges apply to anything in this thread. Am I dense? Are you infering this constitutes the makeup of individuals here who have an interest in maintaining the godly heritage of our country? Nice. Regarding the last page of this thread -- Tom and myself have this little thing going, and though it is obvious we are not going to agree -- I don't think either him, or me, is interested in lighting any torches and setting fire to one another. So what is the point in jumping in here and making comments deriding our beliefs? f>s>------------------ Deanf>s> Bi-amplified Klipsch RF7s using a pair of AE-25 PP triode amps. A SF-Line 1 loaded with 6922's and a 9000ES finish the front. The low bass is supplied by SVS and Samson. The crossover is HSU.f>s> This message has been edited by deang on 07-06-2002 at 12:11 PM

Man, we could debate these things to no end, and to what end?f>s> If Peter was ever in Rome , he sure wasn't there during the time frame set down by Catholocism. I also believe both Eusibus and Iraneous used sources that were suspect.f>s> As far as purgatory goes, there are lots of problems with this one. The first one is that Paul said, "To be apart from the body is to be present with the Lord." The second is that it undermines the perfect sacrifice of Jesus. The writer of the book of Hebrews says, "...And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God. Since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool, because by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy. The third is that the concept of "purgatory" comes from the Apocrapha, which neither Jesus, nor any N.T. writer even once qouted from. At any rate, what will be will be -- even if it never comes to pass f>s>------------------ Deanf>s> Bi-amplified Klipsch RF7s using a pair of AE-25 PP triode amps. A SF-Line 1 loaded with 6922's and a 9000ES finish the front. The low bass is supplied by SVS and Samson. The crossover is HSU.f>s> This message has been edited by deang on 07-06-2002 at 12:31 AM

I'm surprised I haven't noticed until now, but when I put my two Superamps in "Standby" tonight, and turned off the light for bed -- I noticed that the tubes were still "lit" on one, but not the other. When I flip the "stand-by" switch on my just aquired DJH version, the tubes seem to die out softly, while the blue power light on the amp remains lit. When I do the same on my other unit, the tubes stay lit up. Well, I guess one of them isn't working right, and I will take a guess and say the non-DJH version. Did I guess right? Uhg. f>s> ------------------ Deanf>s> Bi-amplified Klipsch RF7s using a pair of AE-25 PP triode amps. A SF-Line 1 loaded with 6922's and a 9000ES finish the front. The low bass is supplied by SVS and Samson. The crossover is HSU.f>s>

There are two different things going on here. Tom is right in that Jesus gave Peter "The Keys" to the Kingdom of Heaven. Peter used those keys when he preached the first Gospel sermon on Penetcost. He effectively "unlocked" the door for people to gain admittance. J.D., you are right in that Jesus is certainly not building the Church on Peter. What He is actually building the Church on is the statement that Peter made. Jesus: So tell me, who do you say that I am? Peter: You are the Christ, the Son of the living God. Jesus: You are right, and I say that you are Cephas (small pebble), and upon this Rock (the statement that Peter had just made) I will build my Church. We know that Peter was married ("Peter's Mother-in-Law lay sick with a fever."), and that Peter was never in Rome. However, in spite of the problems with Catholic doctrine -- no one has yet cornered the market on biblical truth, and all Christian denominations contain some error from one degree to another. During the Reformation everyone felt the need to take an isolated concept from the Scriptures and build on it. I mean, Luther threw the book of James into the Thames river, and Calvin never seemed to catch on that the very nature of God's character put natural limits on His sovereignty (love limits sovereignty). We are imperfect creatures, and are certainly prone to error in every area of our lives because of this. A lack of perfect understanding is only natural. That is why there is grace. So, if God accepts me in my conditon, with my imperfect life and error in thought -- than He most certainly will also accept another in the same condition -- with a different position. f>s>The Kingdom of God is a kingdom of inclusivity, not exclusivity. That is another one of the 'quirky' things about Christianity. One is not good enough to gain admittance into the Kingdom -- but are instead probably bad enough. At any rate, Tom -- It would be great if you would get me the name and author of that book. I'm always looking for more reading material. f>s>------------------ Deanf>s> Bi-amplified Klipsch RF7s using a pair of AE-25 PP triode amps. A SF-Line 1 loaded with 6922's and a 9000ES finish the front. The low bass is supplied by SVS and Samson. The crossover is HSU.f>s> This message has been edited by deang on 07-05-2002 at 10:01 AM

Low bass has slower decay properties, so proper calibration is paramount to good performace. Also, most subs use a 6db/octave high pass filter locked in at 80 or 90 Hz because of the THX standard. This high pass setting is usually used in conjuntion with a 24db/octave low pass. This necessitates using a higher setting on the low pass to get optimum results. My opinion is that this is the least desirable combination. Having owned several different types of sub utilizing this configuration, I always found that no matter what I did, the bass always seem somewhat disconnected from the rest of the spectrum. I have found that a 24db/octave crossover for both the high pass and the low pass, allow the use of the lowest available setting on the low pass (usually 40 - 50 Hz). This configuration, properly calibrated, gives one the ability to create seemless integration between the sub and mains. I don't understand what it is about a sealed design that is 'fast'. The linear excursion of the driver on a sealed design for any given low frequency is two to four times of that in a reflex design, depending on the size of the driver. I also don't see how a frequency being reproduced by a moving driver can be 'faster' than a frequency being reproduced by the air moving out of a port. This aside, I know the REL subs offer a very high degree of flexibility, but I can't help but think it would take more than one of these to keep up with a set of LaScalas. At least, as far as realistic sound levels go. f>s> ------------------ Deanf>s> Bi-amplified Klipsch RF7s using a pair of AE-25 PP triode amps. A SF-Line 1 loaded with 6922's and a 9000ES finish the front. The low bass is supplied by SVS and Samson. The crossover is HSU.f>s>

How do you know most Jews in Palestine accepted Jesus? Says who?f>s> I accept the Biblical record. The division was between Christ and the religious authorities, not the people. Also, the first Gospel sermon preached by Peter saw the conversion of 3000 Jews (Acts 2). Shortly thereafter it was 5000.f>s> Christianity didn't change The Empire near as much as a bunch of Steppe nomads on shaggy horses did.f>s> LOL. Well, I guess everyone gets a little credit. Still, after Constantine, things kind of took off. Sure, much of it was pagan in nature since most people weren't willing to give up their polytheistic believes, but the genuine article was there too -- along side the madness.f>s> Modern archeology is exposing most of the so-called "history" of the Old Testament as inventions to prop the legitamacy of the kingdom of Judah circa 700 bce.f>s> Who believes that? Finklestein and a handful of apostates?f>s> http://www.christiananswers.net/archaeology/home.html How does prophesy fit in with free will? Did God act to cause the Jews to rebel against Rome so that Titus would then level Jeruselem? Then where is their free will? Was God a closet Flavian, favoring Vespasian and his son over the Julio-Claudians?f>s> To foresee something is not the same as ordaining it. The actions of people are part of God's permissive will. He sits on the outside of time seeing from beginning to end. This does not mean he orchastrates every event and action. However, He certainly uses them as part of His divine plan. God did not cause the Jews to rebel against Rome, but God in Christ certainly foresaw it. The Jews did not just rebel against Rome, they rebelled against God. Throughout their history God has used other nations and peoples to chastise them. More times than not, that was the very nature of prophecy -- to warn the people of approaching judgement.f>s> All this prophesy business, especially the obsession some have with The Apocalypse, reminds me of the Priestess of Apollo at Delphi or Druids reading the future in smoking entrails and confirms me in my thinking that maybe Protestantism isn't really Christianity at all but a modern version of Germanic Paganism (note that in Europe that only Germanic Peoples, with the exception of the Welsh, are Protestant) and that only the Catholics, Orthodox and perhaps The Church of England, being Apostolic churches, are truely Christian, for what that's worth. Don't take it personally buddy but that's what I'm thinking.f>s> I think your posts are a riot. What reason would I have to take it personally or be offended? You have the right to think whatever you want. At any rate, I completely agree with you here. The best Commentary on the Book of Revelation is Gibbon's Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire. In fact, 9/10 of the book has been fulfilled. Prophecy was meant for the people to whom the prophecy was given, during the time in which they were living. There are some small exceptions to this, where there is some dichotomy, and a vision or prophecy applies to both the near future, and then also stretches to the end of time -- but not very often. Revelation was written for the 1st Century Church, and primarily deals with God's judgement of political Rome. I could go on forever here, but that is enough. The book is symbolic and allegorical. The Literalistic interpretations common today are in complete contradiction to the plain words of Jesus and the Apostles concerning The End. f>s>------------------ Deanf>s> Bi-amplified Klipsch RF7s using a pair of AE-25 PP triode amps. A SF-Line 1 loaded with 6922's and a 9000ES finish the front. The low bass is supplied by SVS and Samson. The crossover is HSU.f>s> This message has been edited by deang on 07-04-2002 at 10:52 PM

Max, So, we don't do anything about the things we can do, because we don't do anything anything about the things we can't do? Suffering is part of the human condition. It is a consequence of sin. Everything we see, touch, and experience has been tainted by it. Nothing is in the condition it was originally created. We know from the Bible that the entrance of sin into the created order did not just cause biological degradation -- but botanical as well. Something changed the mechanism of how things work, and come into being. Everything that springs forth is degraded from the original design. Since everything is in this 'fallen' condition when it comes forth, it is even that much more susceptible to sin's destructive power. Things run down, rust, corrode, fragment -- die. The point here is that the cards are stacked against us. The level of degradation is so high, the level of human suffering so elevated -- the scope of it so large -- that it would be impossible for us solve every problem resulting from it. Suffering and the resultent death are symptoms of this 'disease' -- that pervades everything. We should make laws, and create consequences and punishment for those violate them. Morality is the basis for every successful and stable society. A people willing to work for the good of others is what makes 'civilization' feasable to begin with. When a people no longer work for the good of others -- there is a breakdown. If you will say that you cannot legislate morality -- I will say that even a stop sign modifies behavior, and if this is not an example of 'legislating morality', then what is it? We should endeavor to treat the symptoms the best we can. We should help the poor, comfort those who suffer, and protect in the innocent. It is clear however, that we cannot 'save' everyone. We cannot make a 'law' that rids us of suffering. We can, however, make laws that that can reduce the murder of unborn children. Many states that allow abortion, will also charge one with double homicide if they murder a woman with child. We have lasted about 1/2 the time of the Old Roman Empire. With things as they are now, try to imagine what it will be like here in another 250 years. History shows us that there is a direct correlation between 'knowledge' and 'morality'. As the knowledge curve goes up, the morality curve goes down. Most civilizations actually crumble at the pinnicle of their accumulated knowledge. What is the cause of this? It is arrogance and pride. Man begins to place his reliance on his intellectual capability, apart from what the dictates of his conscience and heart tell him. He begins to rationalize all types of behavior. Greed, lust, jealousy, envy, hate, worship of self -- all go completely unchecked. You do not have to be a "Christian Nation" to experience the judgement of God. Any nation that aids in the suppression of God's truth, and throws up its hands to allow individuals to determine for themselves what is 'right' -- is simply asking for it. It is not that we have taken God out of our schools (which we haven't), or that we have taken him out of our society (which we haven't) -- it is because we have taken him out of our lives. Therein lies the problem. Our crime rates, and other problems, reflect this. We are clearly perched on a slippery slope. f>s> ------------------ Deanf>s> Bi-amplified Klipsch RF7s using a pair of AE-25 PP triode amps. A SF-Line 1 loaded with 6922's and a 9000ES finish the front. The low bass is supplied by SVS and Samson. The crossover is HSU.f>s> This message has been edited by deang on 07-04-2002 at 02:54 PM

226 years, and she's still the best thing this planet's ever seen. Conservative, Liberal, Black, White, Yellow, Brown, Pagan, Atheist, Christian, Muslim, Jew, Hindu, Catholic, Klipschead, Polkhead, Bosehead -- are all here to do their thing. Where else is a better place to do it? "The land of the free and the home of the brave" "Face piles of trials with smiles. It riles them to believe that you perceive the web they weave -- and keep on thinking free." f>s> ------------------ Deanf>s> Bi-amplified Klipsch RF7s using a pair of AE-25 PP triode amps. A SF-Line 1 loaded with 6922's and a 9000ES finish the front. The low bass is supplied by SVS and Samson. The crossover is HSU.f>s>

Up there in Cleveland Browns Country. I think it will be a very good year for us. The Defense should be tremendous. You are welcome anytime during the week. Just let me know so I can take a 1/2 day off work so you can get back home by a decent hour. It's a heck of a drive. You might want to bring your amp. It would be the only way to get an accurate picture. f>s>------------------ Deanf>s> Bi-amplified Klipsch RF7s using a pair of AE-25 PP triode amps. A SF-Line 1 loaded with 6922's and a 9000ES finish the front. The low bass is supplied by SVS and Samson. The crossover is HSU.f>s>

Geepers, I leave this thread for a couple of days and everyone goes completely ga-ga. Since my area of knowledge lays with religion I will contain my comments to that area. I certainly have political views -- but I have become more a-political over time. I will only say that Government has a responsibility to keep business honest, and do something about the poison in our food, water, and land. It should protect us from foreign invaders, level tyrants, gaurd the lives of the innocent, and provide for the saftey of the governed so we can pursue freedom. Other than that, I want it the hell out of my life. I find many of the comments in this thread related to religion odd. If I were to address every one of them I would be here until morning. The first thing I want to get out of the way is the constant confusion between Christian history, Protestant history, and Roman Catholic history. They are all completely different. Most have only a familiarity with Roman history. I will only say here that the Scriptures were on the banned book list for almost a thousand years, and if you were caught with a single sheet of it -- you were executed. The 'Dark Ages' were 'dark' for a reason. JD said it best. Religion of the 'head' is bad. Religion of the 'heart' is very good. This is something else people do not understand: The difference between 'spirituality' and 'religion'. A 'religious' person will kill you if you do not agree with them. No 'spiritual' person would ever raise a hand against another, except in the defense of self, family, or an innocent. As far as different and various religions go, and how to tell which one is right (for they ALL cannot be right), you simply look at the founder and his teachings. You DO NOT use the inconsistancies and imperfections of imperfect followers to damn the religion. Anyone undertaking a serious study of religion will find the Judeo-Christian principles to be the ones that are most consistant with real life. This is so depressing, because I have so much to say -- C.S. Lewis said that if I explain the Christian religion to someone in a way so a three year old can understand it -- it is said that God would never make something so simple. If I explain it in the way a scholar understands it -- then it is said that God would never make something so complicated. Buddha said, "Make of yourself a light. Rely upon yourself: do not depend upon anyone else. Make my teachings your light." Muhammad said, "I leave behind me two things, the Qur'an and my examples, the Sunnah and if you follow these you will never go astray." Yeshua said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life...I am the light of the world...He who has seen me has seen the Father...I AM." I won't even bother with Hinduism, which doesn't even know it's founder, and is based on an "impersonal" God. A God clearly inferior to me since I have something it doesn't -- a personality. Atheism is intersting if your a gambling man. Great stuff there. The way I figure it, everything coming around by random chance is about the same as a print shop exploding and making a book. The problem with Jesus is that He was executed because of who he claimed he was. All he had to say was, "Psyche! just kidding folks!" So, he was either a liar, a fool, or a complete nutcase. Yet, how do we reconcile those possible conclusions with his life and teachings? The other problem we have is even with the most conservative dating methods, the recorded history of his life were penned within the life times of those who either witnessed the events, or knew of the events. Try to imagine writing a wacked out, goofy history about FDR or Harry Truman. Think it would pass? Yet, this Gospel 'farce' changed the face of the Roman Empire within 300 years. Not bad for 'fiction'. Forget about the discrepancies in the Bible. Any one who really studies the Bible understands them and has very little problem explaining them. Yet people make it out like it's just filled with one contradiction after another. The problem with most Christians, and I hate to say this, are just really not good students. They like to be spoon-fed. They like to drink the milk, but never move to the meat and potatoes. The real deal will bring a grown man to his knees, and when he wakes up the next morning, and sees everything through God's eyes, his heart just breaks. The Gospel record is filled full of quirky things. Things you miss if you're not paying attention. The kind of things that are quirky in that real life kind of way. Let's start with end of the Gospel records. A bunch of scared men running in different directions, and hiding from the authorities. The Bible is strange that way. Anyone who has actually read it is struck by the way it never glorifies it's 'heros'. All their faults are laid bare. Compare that fact with other faiths. At any rate -- these same 'cowards' are found 40 days later (beginning of book of Acts) out in the streets preaching a message that they KNOW just got their fearless leader nailed to a tree. What happened in that forty day period to turn these men from chickens into lions? Could it have been something they saw? Jesus is dragging his 'cross' to the hill through the streets of Jerusalem. The women are crying. Jesus turns and says to them, "Weep not for me, but weep for yourselves and your children." What the hell did He mean by that? The Bible never once tells us. However, we know from Josephus, a Jew who recorded Roman history in Palestine, that when Titus laid siege to the city, the conditions were so bad inside the old city that the people resorted to eating their infants. Was Jesus a prophet? You tell me. Jesus and Barabbas are standing before the people. Pilate gives them a choice. It is a 'special' occasion you see. "Which one do you want?" Pilate asks. The people cry out, "Barabbas! Give us Barabbas!" That's nice. Not much discussed is that most Jews in Palestine actually accepted Jesus. In fact, they had just one week earlier accepted him as their King when he rode into the city with a great procession. The religious authorities had actually hired dissenters, who were strategically placed in the crowd. They wanted Barabbas, and so Barabbas they got. But what was Jesus hearing as they shouted? Jews took their names from their fathers. For example, Jesus would actually have been, Jesus-bar-Joseph. "Bar" meant - "son of", so -- Jesus son of Joseph. Now, look at the name "Barabbas". The first part is "son of", the second part is "abbas". "Abba" is the Aramaic word for "daddy". A better rendering is the european "Papa". So now, think. What was filling the ears of the God-man Jesus. The Bible is chock full of stuff like this. Peter said, regarding the end of the world: "The earth and everthing in it shall melt with a fervent heat...the very elements shall be dissolved." Now, Peter was a fisherman. He's never even seen a firecracker go off, yet he comes up with this. Incidently, the Greek word for "dissolved" is "disbanding", or "dispersing". So, we have an atomic physicist statement from a fisherman. I posted this so some of you might gain an understanding of why Christians believe the Bible. Roadhawk is right. Everything he said. And Max, God told Jeremiah, "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart..." I will tell you that I know God, and that since we abort (murder) over a million kids a year -- we have probably killed 100's of Einsteins, 100's of Beethovens, and who knows what else we have lost. God knows. It makes me sick even to think about it. Some of you speak of that you know, but you also speak of that you do not know. I wish you would stop. f>s> ------------------ Deanf>s> Bi-amplified Klipsch RF7s using a pair of AE-25 PP triode amps. A SF-Line 1 loaded with 6922's and a 9000ES finish the front. The low bass is supplied by SVS and Samson. The crossover is HSU.f>s> This message has been edited by deang on 07-04-2002 at 01:00 AM

By the way, the link for AudiogoN is simplyf>s> www.audiogon.com AudiogoN is a community of high-end users. I myself have sold and purchased equipment over the site a 1/2 dozen times. Equipment is rated according to age and condition, and low lifes are not tolerated. There is a feedback system that works very well, and everything I have purchased has shown up as advertised. You can land a mint $2500 piece for half the price. f>s>------------------ Deanf>s> Bi-amplified Klipsch RF7s using a pair of AE-25 PP triode amps. A SF-Line 1 loaded with 6922's and a 9000ES finish the front. The low bass is supplied by SVS and Samson. The crossover is HSU.f>s> This message has been edited by deang on 07-03-2002 at 10:34 PM

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