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  1. I'm going to pick one up

    for $1000 or a little more my choices are as follows:

    Adcom 5802

    Aragon 8008ST

    NAD S200

    any opinions? other choices ?

    tubes just don't get it for HT



    This message has been edited by deang on 01-29-2002 at 07:55 PM

  2. oosting - talk about 'stretching'

    When I first got my RB5's one of the woofers had what you describe fresh out of the box. It was obviously something that happened at the factory during assembly. Maybe it was someone like Ears flipping their interconnects around Smile.gif

    The metal is cut/punched out and considering the thickness of the material to begin with, I find your 'stretching' explanation hard to accept. The tool probably goes through the material like butter.

    When I had my RB5's I drove them to ridiculous levels and the drivers never looked like they were ready to jump out of the cabinet - which is about what would have to happen to cause a cone to buckle. As a matter of fact - I doubt it could happen at all. Imagine trying to apply your assumptions to the RSW15.

    Ears - as far as the veneer goes: veneer thickness is pretty much standardized and like any piece of furniture utilizing it - if you hit it with something sharp, it will go into the MDF.

    Sub $500 mass market speakers use vinyl exclusively.



  3. Good post - I didn't know that.

    I wonder where the ceramic bit comes in at.

    It would be nice if there was more data on the drivers. Maybe the folks at Monitor Audio can shed some light on it.

    "Due to the metal cones' ultra -rigid nature, there is less cone flex and breakup occurring compared to conventional cone materials. The metal cones reproduce sound with near ideal pistonic motion, resulting in unsurpassed detail and transparency."

    Or better yet - BobG - where in the hell are ya when we need ya.



    This message has been edited by deang on 01-26-2002 at 02:33 PM

  4. There will be more bass than the Heresy's - much more.

    RP5's will not be as dynamic as the Heresy's, but will still have considerable punch.

    The RP5's will sound warmer by comparison.

    I would probably prefer the RP5's over the Heresy's.

    That doesn't mean anything though because there are plenty here who would prefer the Heresy's over the RP5's.

    Think of it as ear candy. They are both sweet in a different kind of way.

    If your brother really likes the Heresy's - why not just find some used ones on eBay?

    This message has been edited by deang on 01-26-2002 at 02:09 PM

  5. Most subs have both the fixed high pass and the adjustable low pass.

    Now I don't have any experience with receivers, but I would imagine the receiver is simply a low pass crossover, which if used - would necessitate you flipping the low pass on your sub to off or inactive. You should use one or the other but not both.

    The fixed high pass at 80Hz is the most common because 80Hz is the THX standard. 6db/octave for the high pass is also fairly common. With a 6db/octave slope you will be -3db at 40Hz.

    Where you set your low pass at this point is totally subjective based on room boundary effects and personal preferance. I always seem to think 50Hz sounds the best.

    Now, another option is to not use the high pass at all, but simply run the RF7's full range for music - and only turn the sub on for HT. Just set the low pass on the sub as low as it will go. There will be a little overlap - but hey, it's movies and little extra rumble between 30 & 40 Hz ain't exactly something to get all worked up about.

    The reason I make this suggestion is because many people (including me) believe running the whole signal through a crossover before going to your amp is less than ideal. In other words - there is certainly going to be some signal degradation.

    Others argue that it's actually cleaner because since the woofer(s) of the mains are freed up from playing low bass - there is less IM and THD.

    What I have actually found is that with monitors, using the high pass sounds better than not using it - but with full range speakers, it sounds better not using the high pass.

    If you plan on listening to alot of multi-channel music - you will probably be better off using it.



  6. I ended up having to down size a little and went from two systems to one. My wife is home schooling the kids and we had to make more room for 'stuff'.

    So I sold some stuff, upgraded to the RF7's and moved everything upstairs.

    When I get home from work, Temple, my 18 month old daughter - grabs me by my finger and pulls me around the dining room table and starts pointing up the stairs. "uh", "uh", she says - which I assume means 'up'.

    She now gets upstairs and knows which buttons on the CD player starts the music. She recently figured out how to skip tracks.

    Her favorite CD is Tears for Fears.

    There is simply no greater pleasure for me than watching her sway back and forth to the music. It's like watching a living music box.



  7. It's probably true that with the right front end gear and big enough room - I could more than live with a set of Khorns or LaScalas. When I heard the Khorns they were hooked up to some Crown stuff. I did hear the KLF20's once hooked up to some nice Parasound stuff but wasn't impressed.

    I would just like to say that the majority of people inhabiting this site are the ultimate in class.

    I know I have a tendency to get anal from time to time and everyone here just puts up with me and responds with class post after class post.

    Klipsch is unique. The Klipsch community is unique.

    I am humbled and so I must repent in dust and ashes.

    Long live Heritage! Long live Reference!



  8. The LaScalas win what every time? The shouting contest?

    I've heard Khorns many times. During the 70's I heard them often.

    We always preferred the Dahlquist DQ10's.

    And then the Magnepans.

    If I want my system to sound like a P.A. system I will buy Heritage.



  9. anodize

    Pronunciation: (an'u-dIz"),

    v.t., -dized, -dizing. Chem.

    to coat a metal, esp. magnesium or aluminum, with a protective film by chemical or electrolytic means. Also, esp. Brit.,an'odise".

    The firearms industry has been making use of this technology for about a decade or so - but it's just now being implemented in other ways. If you would like to know more about this 'old' technology you can read about it here: http://www.robarguns.com/finishes.asp

    At any rate, it's certainly newer than paper.

    Your comment about audiophiles loving Heritage is completely ridiculous. Most audiophiles HATE horns.



  10. It's really amazing how we all hear so differently. I mean, exponential horns with plastic diaphrams sound much brighter to me than the Reference titanium drivers. It really fries me out when someone says Reference sounds 'bright'.

    I'm glad Heritage earbleeders brought me the Reference screechboxes. I have to concede the fact that without them, I would never have been able to have such screeching good sound!

    This is really kind of funny. Each half of the Klipsch family thinks the other half is whacked. Hey! We're a real family!!

    Mike - what is so scary about the 2 10's in the RF7?Very light, very stiff - very good. Also, though they are copper colored - they are not copper.

    "Cerametallic is a specially treated aluminum that has been anodized, or electro-chemically transformed into ceramic on both outer surfaces."

    Ed, thanks for being cool about my rant Smile.gif



  11. It sucks when I miss my meds Smile.gif

    Stu pidass - lighter yet stiffer materials, built at tighter tolerances (consistently) constitutes 'new technologies'.

    Say what you will - but the Reference drivers kick ***. Clear, open, and fast, yet warm and liquid.

    Edwarde - it's you Heritage bigots that give us Reference bigots the hair trigger. Should we just lay down every time one of you starts slamming Reference.

    Something to think about: You should thank God for Reference - because it is the sales of Reference which will allow Klipsch to resurrect your beloved earbleeders Smile.gif



  12. I recently posed the question to BobG if it was a worthwhile upgrade from my two RC7's to a set of RF7's.

    I originally went for the RC7's because I am for the most part of the smaller box and sub school of thought.

    However, Bob indicated to me that 1) the RF7's are considerably more dynamic than the RC7's, and 2) that the RF7's are actually easier to integrate with a sub.

    When I auditioned the RF7's earlier this week, I was surprised by the absence of boominess I usually hear in tower designs. It's this 'fat', 'woody' sound that has always driven me to monitors. I didn't notice it with the RF7's.

    Something else to consider is that with a sensitivity of 102dbw - the RF7's can be driven with much less amplifier than the RF3 II's, RF5's, or the RC7's.

    Finally - The driver in the RF7 is immensely superior to the driver in the RF3 II and RF5 - and also has the larger horn.

    This might be a case where extra money might be best spent on speakers.



    This message has been edited by deang on 01-24-2002 at 11:18 PM

  13. when you consider the amount of performance you get from an RF3 or RB5 for $800 - it makes taking anything else seriously kind of laughable.

    I heard some McIntosh speakers last week that sounded better than RF3's - they were $3500.

    The RF7's however waxed them.



  14. Paul Harvey has also been endorsing the product for some time now.

    He wants to send me one but will buy it back if I don't like it!

    I appreciate the testimonials from people "all over the country" who feel the need to tell me how they get "concert sound" throughout their home.

    "Why have a huge stereo system taking up all that space when the Bose Wave Radio sounds so much better!"

    Yes...I simply must have one.



  15. Stu Pidass said: "New technologies? What new technologies?

    You're serious aren't you?

    You then said: "Air is moved to make sound and this will never change."

    I guess we will leave out the part about electrical current creating mechanical motion and everything that entails. Different driver designs, different materials utilized and the associated properties of them, etc, etc.

    Continuing on: "I saw a recent purchase of Heritage klipsch from 1959. They are in perfect working order and far from falling apart. Where will the new line be in say 40 or 50 years? They will, for the most part, almost certainly be landfill material."

    I guess that means we never see vintage Advents, AR's, or Bose? These are all MDF designs and I run across them regularly. Anything will last if it is not abused and taken care of. What is the mystic here?

    Finally: "As for the new line of Klipsch not being readily available on bulletin boards? The heritage lines out number them by a very very wide margin."

    Which is the mass market product? I forget.

    "Again the new lines are fine speakers but the standards have changed over the decades. There is no question about that."

    I thought it was just air being moved around Smile.gif

    Edwarde: Whatever. I'm too tired and annoyed to deal with your comments in an intelligent manner. I would just like to point out that 99% of everything that has ever been on the market or is on the market currently is built with MDF and glue. Just because something is built with plywood and screws doesn't mean it is going to sound good. What the hell kind of logic is that?

    "....and that thy name is Heritage. Crystal clear. Unpolluted. Natural. Without color. Adds nothing, takes nothing. Zero calories. As sound is live."

    Screech, Squawk, Honk - may I have your attention please.

    no color ...please



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