Epic Premiere Legend

Well after having a chance to hook this thing up and put it through it's paces, my suspicions are confirmed. That is, the Samsung receiver/DVD player is junk. The crossover frequency if you set speakers to small is 200 HZ. The KSW10 sub doesn't even come close to going that high. To prevent a huge gap there, instead of using the sub pre-out cable hook up, I hooked up the sub and main L/R speakers with speaker wire instead, set them to large, and sub off. Also, not too impressed with the KSW10 sub either. My cousin has a comparable Polk system, and as much as I hate to admit it, I do call 'em like I see 'em, and the Polk sub is much better than the KSW10. I still believe though that with a better receiver, the Quintet sattelites would be as good or better than the Polk sattelites. The Polk system he has came with a seperate pre/pro and power amp which is built into the sub for all speakers. While it has the Polk logo on it, he says the electronics were really made by Marantz, which thumps Samsung by a wide margin.

I just found a brand new in box Klipsch/Samsung HTIB (HTK6 I think is the model #) at Sears clearanced priced for $299! This is the system with the Quintets and the KSW10, not the smaller one with the promedia speakers. I know the Samsung receiver/DVD player combo unit is probably crap, but I figured that the Quintet/KSW10 set up alone was well worth $300, especially for a small room secondary system. Any suggestions on a great receiver for them? I'm thinking maybe a Marantz 5400. Any other ideas?

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I just scored a 2nd set of KSP S6s off of ebay so I can now go with a full on 7.1 system. I currently had a HK 8000 receiver driving a full set of KSPs (400 mains, C6 center, and 1 pair of S6 surrounds). The HK 8000 despite being 6.1 or 7.1 capable unfortunately only has 5 amplified channels, so obviously I will need an addtional 2 channel amp for my new pair of S6s for 7.1 surround sound. The obvious choice is the HK PA2000 power amp. However, I got to thinking about it, with a HK PA4000 power amp instead, I could use it to bi-amp the KSP 400 mains while using all of the reciever's powered channels for center and surrounds on movies. This route would also give me seperates for 2 channel music listening. Would that be a better plan? Or should I just get the HK PA2000 and forget it? Also, I also have a pair of KLF30s in a dedicated 2 channel rig. I know that the KSP S6s are also the recomended surround speaker for the KLFs too. Would I be better off to try to find a KLF center channel speaker (I can't remember the model # though) and a SVS sub for movies too than the KSP 400 based sytem?

For $648 SHIPPED, you can get a brand new Denon 3803 from 6th Ave., an authorized dealer which would thus include full warranty. As a pre/pro, especially on movies, you would be hard pressed to top this for the money. It should also do well as a 2 channel pre, with it's pure direct mode and Alpha 24 processing. If you find it's 2 channel lacking, get a good used 2 channel pre, such as an old Adcom or NAD.

There may be some here who disagree, but if you are mostly into movies only, and don't ever really see yourself into ever starting to get into multi channel hi-rez music formats (SACD and/or DVD Audio, of which both may ultimately fail yet just as Beta, DAT, DCC, mini discs, etc.), then there's really no need for a direct radiating monopole rear speaker set such as the 7s or 5s. In theory anyway, if you have side dipoles and rear bipoles, you are covered with a virtually seamless 360 degree surround field, so I would assume the same would apply to Klipsch's wide dispersion. Go to hometheatermag.com as there is an article about a test they did with a panel of 4 or 5 people about this very subject. You can do a search and find it in the archives under "Surround speaker wars". In short, the majority of the panel like bipole/dipoles at both side and rear positions, and if a monopole (or direct radiator) has to be used, put them on the sides. That having either one or two monopole direct radiating speakers in the rear was the least favorable option of the panel out of the four possibilities of combinations (direct sides/dipole rears, all monopoles, all dipoles, or dipole side/monopole rear). Here is exactly what the four people in the panel said (notice how 4 out of 4 picked rear dipole/bipoles. Face Off: Surround-Speaker-Configuration Wars: Page 6 What Do You Think? I've always been big on clear, distinct, directional sound. I want to hear exactly where sounds are coming from. Once the terms monopole and dipole were explained to me, I assumed that monopole speakers were for methey shoot the sound right at you, so you can hear where it's coming from. This is why I was so surprised with the results of this blind test. I consistently preferred configurations that included dipole speakers. Ultimately, I preferred the all-dipole configuration; however, having at least one set of dipoles (either on the sides or in the back) still filled in the gaps and made me feel like I was a part of the action. When it came down to picking between one surround back speaker or two, I definitely preferred two. I still want distinct, directional sound, though. With the rear monopoles, sounds that I thought should be directly behind me often seemed to come from one side. I was pleasantly surprised to find that using dipole speakers in the rear eliminated this problem. Of course, the sound is also affected by the listener's location. I happened to be sitting in the exact middle of the room, and the room was a perfect rectangle with no open doorways or windows. (These people at HT take their listening seriously.) From this location, I definitely preferred all dipoles with a dual-rear-speaker configuration. However, I also thought the sound was good with monopoles on the sides, as long as dual dipoles were used in the rear.Brandon Dahl I showed up at the studio on a sunny Saturday afternoon, ready to sacrifice my day to the cause of better sound. After eating a Carl's Jr. Superstar and fries (Mike's bribe to get us there), I was ready to sit back and let my ears do the work. We compared the common 5.1 speaker setup with 6.1- and 7.1-channel configurations and then compared both dipole and monopole versions of those arrangements. Unlike the other listeners, I liked having just one speaker for the back channel, although I did like the sound of the dipole more than that of the monopole. With two speakers in the back, there was almost too much going on. Sound seemed to bounce around. In a room larger than the one I was digesting in (which was 21 feet by 15 feet), two speakers may be necessary. But in a room the size of HT's listening room (or smaller), one speaker was just fine. With one dipole, I thought the sound was clearer, but not to the point of being distractingly obvious. It seemed to add a more even flow when sounds traveled from the right surround speaker to the left. I'd say that you can't really go wrong either way. Two surround back speakers are better than none, but, in my opinion, one was simply more satisfying.John Martorano Apparently, we didn't have any die-hard Quadraphonic fans on our listening panel. Whenever I espouse the benefits of dipole speakers for surround sound, I'm usually yelled at by some older (or, shall I say, more chronologically experienced) gentleman who says that Quad was the best. These folks always insist, sometimes violently, that surround systems should, like old Quad systems, consist of five identical full-range loudspeakers. These people seem to forget that five full-range speakers are impractical for the vast majority of users and that Quad was, like 8-track, a colossal failure. That being said and having witnessed the outcome of our direct-versus-diffuse, single-versus-dual Surround EX speaker configuration Face Off (by far the most wordy Face Off title ever), I can continue to recommend dipole speakers for the majority of installations. Sure, for the handful of action movies that utilize discrete effects for a small portion of the film, monopole speakers might be better. However, to me, the benefits these speakers may add to those scenes don't outweigh the distractions they cause with other, more-ambient sounds. Dipoles, on the other hand, only soften the more-discrete effects while enhancing the majority of diffuse sounds. Besides, since the people who like the bizarre or, as Jason put it, "creative" mixing of some 5.1 music CDs are likely the same people who liked Quad stereos, I don't care if they complain. They were going to anyway, assuming they even made it past the first paragraph. For the rest of us, dipoles will offer enveloping sound that won't distract from the action onscreen. Mike Wood Of the various surround setups we listened to, I preferred the dual rear Surround EX speakers, as opposed to the single one. I liked the fuller, more-enveloping sound. Even though the EX channel is a decoded mono channel, the two rear speakers seemed to create a rear stereo effect. In the dual-rear-surround speaker configuration, I preferred monopole side surrounds with dual dipoles in back. This seemed to offer the best of both worlds on software that has discretely placed surround information and software that has diffused ambient surround sounds. However, the all-dipole surround system came in a very close second and seemed to do almost as good on making the discrete/localized information just as aggressive and exciting. More tests with other EX software might be helpful. I preferred monopoles for the multichannel music software that was "creatively" mixed with a different instrument in each channel and dipoles for the traditional "ambient/audience/ reverb" surrounds. All things considered, I'd go with the monopole side surrounds and dual dipole back surrounds, as this setup offers more flexibility. And, if you can switch your speakers like the M&Ks, all the better.Jason Koehler

Actually if you really think about it, T3 tied up pretty much all loose ends and unanswered questions/scenerios from the first two, and gave a sense of finality to it. It showed just how the underground resistance got started after the war, etc. It also could be left as the ending movie to the series, as let's face it, Arnold will be way too old for a 4th one (although I did read somewhere that they were considering getting the Rock to replace Arnold if the series were to continue). Besides, the way it ended, where could they go with a new one anyway? It's at the point now where they couldn't ever send anymore back through time into the past now. --------------------------------------------------------------- "Anyone got any other concert/music DVD's to recommend?" KISS Symphony. You get heavy metal/hard rock along with a full 60 or 70 piece symphony orchestra all at the same time (not to mention more explosions than a typical action movie to boot).

bump "So bottom line it for me, with Klipsch KSPs, Denon 3803, HK 8000, or B&K 101? Also, I need some seperates for the KLF 30 in a 2 channel set up for the game room. I've had good luck with Adcom before, and I was thinking of maybe getting some newer Adcoms to mate with the KLFs. How would Adcom/KLF match? I personally thought the older Adcoms I had with my Epic CF3 was a kick *** combination. I was thinking maybe the GFA 5400 or 5500 power amp along with one of their newer tuner/preamp combos and CD players. Anything out there in that price range better than Adcom to mate with the KLFs?" Anybody?

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Hello all. Long time lurker, first time poster of this awesome forum here. I have learned a lot from reading it. First let me give you a little background. I hope it's not too long and boring, but it is neccesary for my questions I have. My first set of Klipschs was a pair of Epic CF3 in cherry. They beat out a pair of Def Techs, BP8 or BP10 I think it was, in a head to head audition when I first bought them back in like '96 or so. I drove them with all Adcoms, GFA535 amp, GTP400 tuner/preamp, and GCD575 CD player. I used them for years in a 2 channel set up. When I first got into home theater in late '97 or early '98, I went with a set of five M&K S85 speakers, 4 satellites and the center along with a M&K V90 sub with a Yamaha 2092 receiver and Sony S7000 dvd player. I went with the M&K because at the time, Klipsch didn't really make an Epic series center or surrounds to match the mains. Besides, the M&Ks were nothing to be ashamed of. Matter of fact, they are very Klipsch like in their own way as they are a very lively, dynamic little speaker in their own right (just not as efficient), and they are excellent, particularly on movies. I sailed along content like this for years with 2 different systems, one for movies and the other for 2 channel music. Eventually, I got the upgrade bug (that we all are afflicted with from time to time it seems), and I replaced the Yamaha 2092 receiver with a Denon 3802 when 6th Ave.com had them for $700 shipped about a year and a half ago. However, the 3802 couldn't really drive the 4 ohm M&Ks as well as the Yammy I had did. Then I got a HK 8000 when One Call had them for like $1100 shipped about a year ago. Next I traded the 3802 I had for an older B&K 101 receiver. It was identical to the 202 except for it didn't have DTS decoding while the 202 did. The 101 only has DD 5.1, but other than that, it's identical to the 202 in every other way. I got it because it can be upgraded from the B&K factory for a cost of $1000 plus 2 way shipping charges to be the equivalent to the same as the 507 receiver and Reference 50 in it's pre/pro section. Also, last year, on the speaker side of the equation, I got a set of Infinity Interludes, IL60 mains, IL36C center, 2 pairs of IL50 for surrounds, plus an IL120S sub (in addition to the IL60 mains built in subs, also, the IL50s have built in subs as well), all off of ubid.com for a fraction of their original list price. All of the Infinity subs are set up with their ingeniouis RABOS system engaged, which really works as advertised. I know having all of those subs in a system may be overkill, but you should just hear it with Das Boot or U571 when the depth charges start going off! You will literally feel it to the bone. The M&Ks were then moved into the bedroom system because they are so small. Regrettably, I sold the Klipsch Epic CF3s and have been kicking myself ever since. The Infinity Interludes are OK, but recently an opportunity presented itself that I jumped all over. I recently acquired a complete set of Klipsch KSP speakers, 400 mains, C6 center and S6 surrounds locally. Also, I got a pair of KLF30 off of ebay. Now for my questions. First off, I'm starting to have a little buyer's remorse now wondering if I did the right thing. I now wonder if I should have just got all new Reference series Klipschs along with an SVS PB2 ISD sub instead and just have been done with it. Anyways, I plan on using the KSP set in a 5.1 home theater set up for movies, and the KLF 30 pair in a dedicated 2 channel set up for mostly rock music (after all, it is supposed to be THE rock and roll speaker, is it not?). Well, I also have decided to forgo the B&K upgrade for now. I figure that I'll wait for the next generation upgrade which should also include the new DPL2X. Until then, the Sony S7000 dvd player also doesn't do DTS, so it and the B&K 101 are an obvious match. They may only do Dolby Digital, but they do it very well at that! So, in the meantime, I picked up a new Denon 3803 from 6th Ave. for $621 shipped. Therein lies my dilemna. I currently have the HK 8000 plus a HK PA 2000 power amp for full on 7.1 surround since the 8000 only has 5 powered channels driving the Infinity Interludes in a dedicated theater room. I have the B&K 101 driving the M&K system in the bedroom, and I was planning on driving the Klipsch KSP set in the den with the Denon 3803. However, I would like some other's opinions here. How would you guys match up the receivers and speakers? Denon with Infinity, HK w/ M&K, and B&K w/ Klipsch KSPs? Or maybe the HK 8000 with Klipsch KSPs instead? The only thing, I don't know if the 3803 can really drive the 4 ohm M&K speakers well enough (the 3802 I originally had could, but not really very well as it just wasn't quite strong enough for them and it got real hot), but I know the B&K and HK can both handle 4 ohm loads with no problems, particularly when they are high passed set to "small". Therefore, whatever I do, the M&Ks must have either the HK or the B&K. So bottom line it for me, with Klipsch KSPs, Denon 3803, HK 8000, or B&K 101? Also, I need some seperates for the KLF 30 in a 2 channel set up for the game room. I've had good luck with Adcom before, and I was thinking of maybe getting some newer Adcoms to mate with the KLFs. How would Adcom/KLF match? I personally thought the older Adcoms I had with my Epic CF3 was a kick *** combination. I was thinking maybe the GFA 5400 or 5500 power amp along with one of their newer tuner/preamp combos and CD players. Anything out there in that price range better than Adcom to mate with the KLFs? Sorry this was so long, and thanks in advance for any suggestions.