tubelover

---------------- On 6/22/2004 7:29:23 PM IB Slammin wrote: ---------------- On 6/21/2004 1:10:19 PM Colin wrote: Many thanks, edwino, but if I am great it is because I stand on the shoulder of giants, okay, actually, it is because I copy the works of giants, okay, NOT copy, plagiarize, okay NOT plagiarize, but steal NOT from giants but from Winston Churchill - evenso you sir are to be roundly commended a drink for you - for NOT only did you recognize greatness, even so bastardized a form as my revision, but you risk the ridicule of intelligent others to compliment me on it! ---------------- Colin, You eloquent Limey Bastard. Didn't you learn a thang from the good ole boys in LR. If nothing else, we wanted to teach you "butchery of the English language". I can see that we failed. No problem bubba, you are still great. Terry ---------------- My kids read this stuff. Is the profanity necessary?

---------------- On 6/22/2004 7:01:50 PM TBrennan wrote: Parrot on one side hounding me and Tubelover on the other. I feel like a rose between thorns. ---------------- Given your sacrcastic demeanor it should be safe for us to assume that you are rather comfortable in this position. Should it not?

---------------- On 6/22/2004 5:51:34 PM Anarchist wrote: tubelover, You keep up the good work. The contributions you make to this forum have managed to make me much more tolerant of Paul when he is seeking to stir up the pot. Fortunately, I have always had the capability to completely disregard someone I found absolutely no use for without allowing them to affect my emotional state. ---------------- Kudos to your therapist.

---------------- On 6/22/2004 1:06:38 PM Colin wrote: If one means to be actually informative and useful to this forum, one should detail their experience seriously auditioning, in their own home, with the same music and equipment, any front-end equipment or loudspeaker. To omit such experience is to puff up your opinion and authority. Edgar horns look like they make a good kit, make used classic Klipsch corner Khorns seem like a great bargain, the wood horn idea seems like it might be a natural material for the mid-range, thought I bet I would prefer metal for the high frequencies, since all high frequencies created by acoustic instruments are metal- If I was Paul W. Klipsch, founder of Klipsch and designer of the classic corner Khorn I would certainly feel competitive with Dr. Bruce, more so in fact than Dr. Bose I briefly heard a few money-is-no-object dream systems that rival Arytypes JBL/Alk Khorns, I have also zipped through Bostons windy streets in a red Ferrari roller-skate, which I admit was nicer, but also 21 times more expensive than my 63 MG. Still as each system approaches audio nirvana, and loose anomalies that weaken the sound, the more they sound the same! So that means that are NOT a lot of ways to approach audio nirvana. As you correct the faults of each system, they end up looking more and more like each other! Look at the solid-state powered cone subwoofers with Avant-garde Audios large trio bright horns and Martin-Logans tall, see-through electrostatics. They both end up using similar technology to get the results they want. I believe the low WAF with most used big ole horns (NOT classic Klipsch corner Khorns) keeps them cheap to the market in price, inviting tweaking audiophiles to scoop them up, modify them and race them on weekends. A used loudspeaker store or re-coning store will be glad to make a few mods to Khorns for a little too much money, but it can be done- The Bose Jewel cubes are good loudspeakers for their size, if NOT a bit overpriced, but then they have the Lexus reputation dont they- More loudspeakers should be built for the corners, not just our beloved Khorns. More loudspeakers should be built for actual use on entertainment centers, NOT just anechoic rooms- Jim, I thought: 828 cabs $540 515Bs 250 1005s 500 288s these are? 811/902s 400 ALK? 550 sum $2240 resale of unknown loudspeaker: $1120 Parrotten, I thought your system was too nice for you to be so provocative- I learn far more from the knowledgeable posters here than any puff-piece filled with $10 words Why own classic Klipsch corner Khorns? Because you can listen to them for decades, get most of what dream systems offer and sell them for more than you paid! Guys, what you ragging on Tom for? Everybody knows that a Jag is a better car with a Chevy block dropped in! Thats all he is saying. I always thought Brennenitis, was buy JBL lens and modify their big ole horns and live for this stupid nonsense- ---------------- Yawn.....................................................................better than a glass of warm milk.

---------------- On 6/22/2004 5:42:20 PM Anarchist wrote: No Paul. This, in conjunction with other comments you made, is trolling. "I've heard Bruce's speakers and was distinctly unimpressed. Do you work on a commission for him?" Want more examples? The forum is littered with them. ---------------- Brilliant, thank you for the analysis. The same could be made of yours.

I find it doubtful that you own K-horns.

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Same said for my Dynacos. I am not dismissing SET. I just don't think 8W and under can get it done for me.

Same said for my Dynacos. I am not dismissing SET. I just don't think 8W and under can get it done for me.

I currently own Dynaco monoblocs and a Marantz 7C. The Dynacos give me all the power I need when demanded of them. I do not want to come up short when the need arises. More headroom decreases the potential of clipping. This is why I do not own SET amps.

---------------- On 6/21/2004 9:29:49 PM Anarchist wrote: Jesus, The hypocrisy espoused on this forum by some members is enough to make any reasonable person ill. Oh we want a moderator, oh we need to end the flame wars, yada yada yada. Meanwhile, there is one person here who is nothing more than a troll (which a quick search on their posts will prove beyond any doubt) and another who simply baits and baits and baits. Then once someone takes the bait, they cry foul. It is amazing Tom catches grief because he tries to expand knowledge while others seek to limit any discussion outside of PP amps and KHorns. This is now apparently the Stepford Forum. I would bet money that several of the people doing the baiting here in this thread are the same ones who run to the moderators and whine.---------------- I agree whole-heartedly Anarchist <---the trolls are absolutely senseless.

---------------- On 6/21/2004 6:16:13 PM neo33 wrote: "Even Trinity swears." Trinity is an exception. Trinity and Neo are one and the same! My point is tubelover is a female-wannabe (read transvestite). Maybe he can't stand being a male with his "soft" side. LOL.---------------- Does this indicate that you are not heterosexual then?

---------------- On 6/21/2004 6:03:51 PM neo33 wrote: Your sole purpose here is to provoke. BTW, ladies don't use vulgar language and they don't troll! Get it! ---------------- So, what is your purpose here then NEO? Technical expertise? lol

---------------- On 6/21/2004 10:21:35 PM jnorv wrote: Tubelover wrote: Seriously, can you come close to a K-horn soundwise for the pricepoint? :Lets see, 828 cabs $200 515Bs 450 1005s 500 288s 250 811/902s 200 xover 100 sum $1700 Probably does not have the bass slam of a Khorn but it beats the H out of the mid range. My Klipsch credentials are 78 La Scalas with ALKs. Jim N ---------------- This is too much trouble for most. And will it look as good as a used K-horn which you can find in the same price point?

---------------- On 6/21/2004 6:34:53 PM IndyKlipschFan wrote: Tubelover...Said, "I notice in your system profile that you do not own Edgarhorns. That pretty much says it all." =============================================== I did not think or say they sucked...they were very good. Just not my cup of tea is all. We all hear things differently as I said would be boring if there was only one speaker accepted as the only one to liten to anything audio wise. I happen to think the K horns in a room appropriate for them, sound better. But like I said, to each his... or in your case her, own. And just because I do not own them at this time does not mean I, (1) may have in the past... or (2) have heard many of Dr Edgar's speakers over time, and know what I am talking about too. Seeing how you never cared to ask, how would you know? Last, just because I have never driven a Formula One car does that mean also I can't appreciate it, too, as well? It seems your very closed minded yourself. THAT pretty much sais it all to me. ---------------- Why are you insulting me IndyKlipschFan? I did not insult you. I stated that you do not own Edgarhorns based on your profile. My presumption of your system profile is that you prefer Klipsch products (K-horns) over Edgarhorns.

---------------- On 6/21/2004 5:43:30 PM neo33 wrote: The sound quality of PP amps surely wouldn't do justice to the Khorns. ---------------- And what would neo33? What do you suggest to achieve the most from K-horns?

---------------- On 6/21/2004 5:36:23 PM neo33 wrote: "TBrennan, nothing personal and no offense, but why do you bother hanging around the Klipsch BB's? I mean really? All you seem to do is bash Klipsch. WTF? You sound like a broken record with the constant Edgar, JBL, Altec, Tannoy, Jensen etc., etc., etc. promos. I have heard Dr. Edgar's speakers. They sound like sh!t. Seriously, can you come close to a K-horn soundwise for the pricepoint? I am not really sure how old you are, but is it possible that you have lost some of your hearing?" Sure doesn't sound like a lady to me! And certain a troll for the most part! ---------------- Being a troll isn't so bad. At least I have more than 1.8!

---------------- On 6/21/2004 5:38:26 PM IndyKlipschFan wrote: I, too, have heard Bruce Edgar big system (Edgarhorn). It is very good, not excellent (In my opinion) and forget about any idea of a WAF too. LOL look at a pic of them and see. These are monsterous speakers... And I have no idea how to even fit them in most rooms myself. That said, it is nice to see another approach. If we all liked the same speaker and only that speaker... Listening to audio would be pretty boring!! ---------------- I notice in your system profile that you do not own Edgarhorns. That pretty much says it all.

---------------- On 6/21/2004 5:33:24 PM TBrennan wrote: tubelover---Sure you mean to be personal and offend. No Tbrennan I meant exactly what I said. Unlike you. I own Klipsch speakers now and I've owned several sets in the past. I come here to talk horns with other hornys. You don't come here to talk horns with other hornys. You come here to belittle people that don't agree with what you like. Klipsch is NOT the be-all and end-all of horn speakers. Who said they were? Other horn speakers have virtues as well. What? Edgar Titans? lol The only thing I'm promoting is that people have knowledge of their options. Sure, as long as they are Altec, JBL, or Edgar horns. If you don't want to take part in discussions of horn loudspeakers in general just stay away from such discussions. You call this a discussion? I doubt you'll be missed as I don't recall you ever adding to the store of knowledge of horns around here. Likewise TBrennan. In any case it's not your place to censor or moderate. I can do as I please. This is America. ---------------- As I stated previoulsy, Edgar horns sound horrible compared to K-horns.

---------------- On 6/21/2004 5:01:40 PM TBrennan wrote: Paul----There have been other speakers made that can match the dynamics and low distortion of the Khorn and some that can surpass it. Altec, Tannoy, JBL, Jensen, Edgar and University come immediately to mind. For instance the Edgar Titan is fully horn-loaded and it's 2" throat mid driver will still be soaring when the 1" throat driver of the Khorn is making distressed quacking sounds. Granted that this would be at VERY loud levels but hey, you asked the question.---------------- TBrennan, nothing personal and no offense, but why do you bother hanging around the Klipsch BB's? I mean really? All you seem to do is bash Klipsch. WTF? You sound like a broken record with the constant Edgar, JBL, Altec, Tannoy, Jensen etc., etc., etc. promos. I have heard Dr. Edgar's speakers. They sound like sh!t. Seriously, can you come close to a K-horn soundwise for the pricepoint? I am not really sure how old you are, but is it possible that you have lost some of your hearing?

---------------- On 6/21/2004 3:57:21 PM Guy Landau wrote: What are you? ---------------- Scandanavian-American. Which Klipsch speakers do you own?

---------------- On 6/21/2004 11:42:03 AM Guy Landau wrote: ---------------- On 6/21/2004 10:34:24 AM tubelover wrote: I think that Guy Landau is French too.---------------- I don't think so. ---------------- Then what are you Guy? Which Klipsch speakers do you own?

I have yet to see one here

---------------- On 6/20/2004 9:22:10 PM AK-4 wrote: tube lover, I wasn't going to say anything, and I should have said something in Indy, but you should go to the doctor and get that festering sore on your face checked. I was doing some research today, and I think it might be a tumor. It really shouldn't be oozing that black stuff. You're fairly attractive, and I would hate to see you lose your face.---------------- AK-4, I truly appreciate your concern for my health. I went to the doctor this morning. That "festering" sore as you call it has now spread south. I hope the penicillin will kick in soon.

---------------- On 6/21/2004 9:59:09 AM Amy Unger wrote: I don't have a problem with threads like this, as long as the insults aren't directed at anyone. Maybe you guys are finally starting to get it. ---------------- Most of us are dense. http://www.coswayco.com/index.html'>