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I was reading some reviews of Wright Monoblocks and the author wrote the following:
****I would rather have a complex driver arrangement/network ala Richard Vandersteens Model 5 than a simpler rig that had simplicity as its only virtue. But a simple design that basically gets many important aspects of sound re-creation right, ala Paul Klipschs Klipschorns, would seem to have less in the way of the music. (Although, if we were in Texas right now, Id stake the Klipsch design team to a fire-ant hill and dump a bottle of warm Royal Crown Cola on them for not removing that pointless elliptical filter in the tweeter path of their big threeLa Scala, Belle and K-horn. It was put there to protect a delicate driver that Klipsch no longer uses. Snip the lead going to the cap and coil nearest the grill and you get rid of a ton of sibilance. Are you listening Mr. Hunter?)****
My main intrigue is the end of it about snipping the leads. I've got some of that sibilance (though now GREATLY reduced since moving to a tube), so perhaps mine is on the recording.
Anyway, I've got the AK3 X-over as I recall (just a fyi)
Is the statement about cutting those two leads for real? Does my AK3 have that?
Should I just pretend I never saw this?
I am not Mr. Hunter
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Perhaps I've never made known...
Here's what I envision doing
Keeping the Jolida
Keeping (if the wife lets me
) the Peach and down road, mono 10'sI want best of both worlds.
I'll have them wired up (somehow) where I can listen to one or the other. I'll use the higher powered unit when listening at higher levels as I tinker around house.
When I want to sit down and focus and "experience" the music, I'll then switch over to the SET and kick back and relaxxxxxxxxxxx
If in the end, I blatently favor one over the other... then I'll deal accordingly with the lesser of the two.
That's the long term target I'm shooting for... best of both worlds.
Oh, it will be TRI-wired with my HT unit also. (only using 1 at time though of course) Given the setup of the room, the K-horns will have to be my rear channels and the LaScalas will be front. I talked to wifey about turning room around and reversing the planned TV side, but she's adament where she wants it. So, during HT situations, my rears will be K-horns and then when I want serious music, I'll turn chair around, turn tubes on and have 2 or 3 channel on the backside.
Best of three worlds
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you guys are KILLING me!!
Ok, I just hung up the phone (after probably an hour) with Juicy Audio.. rats, I forgot to write his name down.
Anyway, MOST helpful and very nice guy...
I'm proud owner of a Peach. He told me since I don't have any vinyl that I don't need to pay for the Blueberry. He too, highly recommended the wright Mono 10's.
I told him that his Peach is going to be in my office for probably 6 MONTHS while I get to work on the basement. If the wife finds out I did this so soon after getting the K-horns, Jolida, Christmas, her birthday... (read $$$$) she's going to GIVE my stuff away to you guys, forget the yardsale
That is of course, AFTER she moves me out to the shed and gives the 2 dogs my pillow to sleep on.
So, the next step has been taken. I ought to get the Peach in a week or so (standard finish with Rosewood bezel). After this dust settles ($$ for Jolida/K-horns and now this) I'll get to work on the Mono10's. Three of them of course, since I like the idea of the center channel...
Yep, I see my premature death unfolding before my eyes
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Thank you both (all)
My current mindset, is to get an amp (perhaps a 2A3 variety??) that will bring the depth out that I auditioned these with, AND, with my getting better educated, I can (hopefully) end up with an amp (or integrated) that will ALSO be as quiet as possible. I just hate having to buy this kind of stuff (not inexpensive) sight/sound unseen.
Hmm... I just had another revelation
I've always intended on looking at/acquiring a 2 channel setup... but with all this chatter going on here about a 3 channel setup, perhaps monoblocks WOULD make more sense in the longer term.
Sigh, my wife is soooooooo going to kill me before I'm done
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Well ya know, I just had a light bulb go off this morning...
Question: Can't I just disconnect my cd player and if I then hear hiss at 'idle', then I know my amp is doing it?
Question 2: If above answer is no hiss at idle, then if I plug in / turn on cd player and I have hiss... then I've located culpret as the cd player?
seems reasonable to me
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----------------On 12/17/2004 3:29:08 AM DrWho wrote:If you want to test the actual silence of a CD playing, then you could make your own CD after recording silence on the computer. Burn a CD and then play it in your CD player and this should give you an idea of the quietest your system will play. If you want, I could produce this file for you if you're not comfortable with the whole computer thing. You gotta be careful recording silence because you don't want to actually record hiss instead
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Perhaps I can go back and listen to Simon & Garfunkels "Sounds of Silence"?
(sometimes I just can't help myself & my sense of 'humor')
I beg forgiveness
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----------------On 12/16/2004 6:54:43 PM DrWho wrote:My question then is this: Should our music playback systems strive to reveal flaws or should it conceal them? Is it possible to have a concealing system that plays back a perfect recording just as well as a revealing system? If so, then why not strive for a concealing system and allow yourself a wider selection of music?I know this is a bit tangent to your original question, but I think it is a fundamental factor that needs consideration.----------------
Drwho (who are you) lol (The Who)
ok, that was stupid... anyway, you are making me think outside the box a bit and that's good (for me).
as my last post... my upshot is, I want it to sound good, but I want it to be quiet with no hiss at idle.
I guess that's the basic angle of my comments/concerns
Why? I dunno... probably because I had SS feeding my LaScalas for 24 years out of ignornace & now I want to over compensate
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Perhaps I was vague, or maybe I'm simply making more of it than I need to...
Primarily, I'm thinking of hissing noise. I'm under the impression that "some" amps will play "black" quiet. In oher words, when cd starts, zero hiss. Just the music, even with ear near speaker.
How many accoustic guitars playing in front of you ALSO have hiss?
So, am I making a mountain out of mole hill, or did I ask the wrong question, or do I just need to shut up and go back to my disco at 120 db....over time, I suppose THAT will get ride of me hearing hiss? (last part is a sick joke)
Anyway, that's more of the angle I was thinking. By using a known "dead silent" disk, if I have hiss, then I'll KNOW it's cd player, or specific amp and can adjust accordingly.
Beyond that, I DO just try to relax & enjoy what I hear, but with the new (to me) K-horns, I just want to set them up to succeed as best I can from the git go while I might be buying new parts for them.
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I've read how revealing K-horns are, not just of the music, but of every compoent in the food chain, all the way back to the electronics used to record said music.
I don't know that I recall the above properly, that's just what my memory says I've heard.
I don't want to start any arguments. I might be asking something that has no real answer and if that's the case, I apologize upfront and withdraw the following question.
Ok.. so if the above is true and a K-horn will show virtually ANY "flaw" in the system, then to have "perfect sound" out of the speaker, one must have a "perfect" starting point? no?
so, can we all agree on a demo cd that has "perfect" sound? By that I mean (primarily) dead quiet background, along with very nice spatial qualities.
For my question, the music doesn't have to be GOOD from a tap your toe perspective. My angle is... if you with golden ears can all agree that "this" is a dead quiet, perfect demo cd, then someone like myself can go get it and use it as an accepted starting point to then go through system and switch/swap items out to try to extract said quality sound from cd, through speakers and into ears. Rather than hear some noise, go buy new CD player and have same noise there, because I used a "bad" cd all along.
Make sense?
Thanks for any thoughts
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I still have most of my initial stuff.
Electro Voice Interface "D" speakers 1978, still have, look worn but will shake foundation like the K-horns might in their dream
Yamaha CR 2040 (120x2) roughly 1980
LaScalas, roughly 1980
Audio Control C-120 (?) equalizer/real time analyzer
DBX "boom box" 1980 or so
DBX 3bx same vintage
Akai 747 open reel tape deck w/DBX 124 noise reduction unit (gave to friend)
Phase Linear 5000 (?) turntable (gave to same friend)
Pioneer CTF-1000 casset deck (gave to another friend)
all 3 above in fine working order
I upgraded to the Yamaha 2040 from a prior model
Today in living room I have
Klipschorns mated with a tube amp
CD player
The DBX & Audio Control goodies are still there but rarely used
Downstairs awaiting basement (HT room) being finished I have the LaScalas and EV's
Oh,,, can I sneak in I have 3 Academy's that I bought in 1994 or so. I know you said first system, but since I've accumulated it all over the years, it's "all" my first system in my eyes (just a matter of semantics
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Damn!
Nice work Gil!!!!
(I say, trying to sound like Lynnm so that you'll think I understood it all on my first read)
Seriously though, although I'm going to have to read it again, it actually made some sense to my pebble I call my brain.
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hmm... seems I had to enter a comment
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I saw what you wrote, here's a couple pics none the less. Now that I think about it, I think one of the little push buttons don't work. (they don't stay depressed) I don't recall if it's the high frequency button, or perhaps, the button that converts meters from output strength, to signal strength for tuner.
none the less, if you look close, you can see the power button is pushed IN. That is now the off position and out is now the on position.
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the chair next to speaker??? Hmm... the upper box fires completely over it & I haven't given it a second thought.
hmmmm...
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Rick: Ill check their phase. They have excellent punch, so (yikes) if they ARE out of phase, Im in for a REAL treat !!
Kegman: if I can do it properly, Ive attached a picture of them in the room. The camera was on wrong setting, so the shot is colored, but you will get the idea. The room is 16 wide and the sweet spot has a darn table sitting there (darn the wife anyway)
The Jolida I have has 80wpc I think. I know nothing about what triode/ultralinear mode might mean, nor if it might apply to the Jolida. Rather than switch between amps, which I know would obviously work, I would intend on setting BOTH up simultaneously. Both to power in wall, both wired to speakers. So that I could simply turn the power of the one I choose to listen to at the moment on, leaving the other one off WITHOUT doing any rewiring. My fear would be, could the electrical signal sent from unit A to speaker, go to speaker and travel BACK down the OTHER speaker wire, to unit B (presume right channel for both). Id not want the return potential, to mess up anything. (clear as mud?)
PaulParrot: (beautiful shots of your house that I saw, btw) Brap is not close, hes in Chicago & Im in Tennessee.
Danny: See attached pic for room layout. Unfortunately NONE of it is negotiable with the wife, as the long term destination of these are downstairs. In fact, shes told me if I dont get the downstairs finished in 30 days, shes going to PAY someone to take these away. I calculate Im on day 20 and have done nothing yet, sooooooooo all of you Klipsch drooling vultures, stay awaytheyre mine mine mine Just imagine the inhumanity of my wife paying you to take these (be still my heart)
I might have to add, I listened to the Blue Man group cd the other day, and not only heard some stuff that I never heard before, BUT also had it swimming very clearly from left to right (as I presume it should have). Its really more the center stage that seems to be missing.
OK.. I think I got the pic attached correctly
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I have a Yamaha CR-2040 (120 x 2) that I'd be willing to let go. I have no idea about it's worth, but here's the condition of it (I can get pics later)
I bought it new around 1980 give/take. It was always my primary unit until 1993 or so, when I bought Yamaha's 2030 HT unit (if I got number correct)
I CONTINUED to use the 2040 as power for my rear speakers.
The power button quit on me, so took to shop to get fixed, they could not get replacement, BUT, seems the way the button is configured, they could REVERSE it and make it work. So, today, to turn unit ON, you push button and it pops OUT (to what you might think is off position) and to turn it OFF, you push button to the depressed position.
If memory serves me, some of the tuner light bulbs are out. By & large, that's about it...as I recall, everything else works fine.
Sound? I just recently had it connected to my newly acquired K-horns and it's power is just fine (though I didn't like it's sound with the K-horns, so I bought a tube)
My wife would LOVE to see some of my 'stuff' go.
Let me know if you care to see pics & I'll try to take some at home. Other than what shipping might do to the cost, I'd imagine you could have this within your budget
I just looked for one on EBAY and found none...I'll post a picture tonight.
I'm eyeballing $200? if the local guru's think that's overpriced, hopefully they'll (kindly) tell me so.
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I didn't want to hijack that thread, but have related questions.
Recently acquired K-horns. After listening to them with my Yammie CR-2040 (120/ch) I decided that they were very harsh and I was finally "getting it" about tubes (I auditioned them on Brap's tube setup & liked what I heard)
Soooooooo, on the quest to find tubes. Became discouraged at the nuances of the numbers blah blah blah, so said heck with it and simply bought one, just to get a starting point (I think it's a Jolida 508B)
Ok.. so I'm finally getting accustomed to it's sound and getting everything a bit better situated, HOWEVER, I still seem to be listening to two speakers (albiet large
) rather than as I auditioned them... having them seem to melt away.Now, at least 3/4 of my listening is turning it up while I'm busy tinkering around house rather than sitting there trying to listen to them critically. So, the majority of the time, I'm as happy as a bug in a rug with the quality sound.
There ARE times, I'd love to hear more of that spatial sound that I heard. I THINK he used a 2A3, or some other "tiny" amp. (not disparinging tiny amps at all...cause now I want one
)So, my reading here has swayed me to belive that a "2a3" type amp will give the most delicious type sound?
What I envision doing is setting BOTH up, using one for louder listening and the other for softer, more critical listening & trying to have best of both worlds. If I ultimately choose one over the other, I might "rid" myself of the second place unit.
That said, is there any inherent BAD logic in doing that? (will having 2 amps setup with one turned off, mess up the one turned off?)
If my SOLE criteria becomes "sonic & spatial bliss with excellent 3-d sound, wide soundstage, speakers melt away & become invisible..."
Would I presume you'd recomment a 2a3 and if so, which brand & model and where would I go get?
I had the Jolida hooked up for about a week before the wife spotted it and started asking questions
(I was busted)Thanks for any thoughts
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Otis & Chloe REALLY like each other.
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this is Otis today, along with Chloe. We live in the country and people are always dumping their unwanted pets our way. We kept Tubby, Daisey, Wiggles and gave away six others. Just couple months ago, someone dumped Chloe off and we've added this adorable thing to our crowd. We now have Tubby/Otis and Chloe.
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This is Otis as a pup.
Long story short, last christmas a SOB hunter shot & killed two of our dogs & crushed us. Several months later, wifey said "I had a dream we got a puppy and his name was Otis", so the journey began to find Otis.
We found him at the local shelter, just took to him on sight knowing he was the one. Took him home, next day, took to vet for shots. the NEXT day he was BACK at vet very ill. Seems he had parvo (VERY nasty for those of you who might not know)
Well, he survived parvo!!
He's grown now (will post another)
He is ill again today. He's contracted blasto mycosis. Evidently another deadly disease if not caught (he owes BOTH of us recognizing he was ill, to my wife...if not for her, he'd died with the parvo bout)
Anyway, he's been on medication for a month and has about another month to go. His symptoms for blasto mycosis have GREATLY improved.
He's just about as sweet as anyone's dog here might be. It's wonderful when you get one of the "sweet ones" huh?
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As I have just opened the door of tubes & K-horns, I'm still a neophyte. That disclaimer said, I just listened to the first cd by the Blue Man Group
I was blown away. I've heard talk here about how "fast" the base is on the K-horns.
I realize this music might not appeal to the classical only, or the Diane Krall (I don't really know who she is) music type, let me say this...
If you like (LOVE) base and you like it fast & you love percussion...
get this CD & crank it up.
The first cd is "music" (if you can call what they do music) only. The second cd has guest singers on it and then the DVD is an actual concert.
Frankly, I have all three of them & enjoy them all.
anyone that's seen them in Vegas/Chicago/Boston/?? will probably attest with me that they are fine percussionists.
I'm not affiliated with them in any way, just wanted to bring their cd to the attention & let it be known that it really shows off the punch of the K-horns (even with my low experience)
In other words, GET THIS CD
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sorry about the double post, I'll immediatly go downstairs & disable my new tube amp, reinstall the Yammie & listen to 45 minutes of Barny (purple dude) followed by 22 minutes of Osmonds Chrismas Classics at reference levels as my punishment.
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ok, I've read about "matched pairs". What exactly does that mean? What is being matched & how do they match it?
I presume that the matching has something to do with the volts/amps type thing, so if that's so, how much variation is there in these?
Do they measure the "matched item", write it down, take next tube, measure it, if the number is not "exact" or within a range, they write it down...keep doing that until they find one that matches each of those, then wa-la, a matched pair?
What sort of variances are there in the matching. Does adjusting the bias effect the matching at all?
What does the biasing do?
Do you want to get ALL your tubes to be matched? (I have 4 KT-88's or equivilant) So if I replace them (or one of them) do I want to replace two pair, with matched pair, or would I rather find a matched FOUR set??
I gotta admit, I swapped out this new amp (Jolida 508B) which I know is not the most expensive by any stretch, but it sounds WORLDS better than the Yamaha I was using. The difference was immediately noticable. Now I'm trying to just better grasp the reality of tubes.
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ok, I've read about "matched pairs". What exactly does that mean? What is being matched & how do they match it?
I presume that the matching has something to do with the volts/amps type thing, so if that's so, how much variation is there in these?
Do they measure the "matched item", write it down, take next tube, measure it, if the number is not "exact" or within a range, they write it down...keep doing that until they find one that matches each of those, then wa-la, a matched pair?
What sort of variances are there in the matching. Does adjusting the bias effect the matching at all?
What does the biasing do?
Do you want to get ALL your tubes to be matched? (I have 4 KT-88's or equivilant) So if I replace them (or one of them) do I want to replace two pair, with matched pair, or would I rather find a matched FOUR set??
I gotta admit, I swapped out this new amp (Jolida 508B) which I know is not the most expensive by any stretch, but it sounds WORLDS better than the Yamaha I was using. The difference was immediately noticable. Now I'm trying to just better grasp the reality of tubes.
) the Peach and down road, mono 10's
"perfect " demo?
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I fear that I might just be in the beginning stages of "getting it".
I'm not exactly sure what I'm going to get (other than the aforementioned can of whupa$$ from the wifey
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I guess I'll figure more out as I get it hooked up & listen. That of course, means I gotta get my hiney into gear and get cracking on that basement, cause as long as that basement is "status quoe", not only can I NOT put my goodies together nor tell the wifey about the second round of accumulations put into motion just today, I have a dang blang table sitting smack dab in the middle of the sweet spot of the K-horns. No matter where I sit, I'm either off to the right, left, too far foward or too far back.
(awaiting for the commencement of the pity party)
Thanks again all for your thoughts.