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---------------- On 3/31/2005 10:14:55 PM scott0527 wrote: You mean the green markers don't work? Dammit! ---------------- Yes they work, as long as they're "Magic Markers"

...ah, Russ has stumbled across another "know it all" that speaks in absolutes with a mouth as loud and obnoxious as his own. Congratulations, Russ (To the tune of "Old Black Magic") "that ole last word syndrome's got Russ in its spell, that ole last word sydrome that he weaves so well" Here is a link to a more open example of subjective/objective thinking: http://www.vac-amps.com/page0031.html Most notably: "The electronic measurements we make do not always accurately reflect what we hear. This simple and annoying fact applies to vacuum tubes just as it does to cartridges, digital, amplifiers, and cables." I just happen to agree with the above, but everyone's certainly entitled to their own opinions Russ, you are one of the biggest TROLLS on this forum, and a big reason I spend so little time here. You've made your point on how you feel about this and similar subjects more times than I care to count. There is NOTHING useful or constructive with letting it be known how you feel on the subject, OVER AND OVER AND OVER again, unless you are attempting to solicit a following of sorts. Your background in audio retail and your amateurish experiments confirming the validity of Ohm's Law hardly qualify you as an expert. Give it a break and try dating for a while. The rewards could be greater.

Rope caulk makes better contact and is more easily shaped to conform with surface irregularities, becomes one with the horn.

...all made possible by cheap IBM clones and peripherals (China) Give the people what they want. No one forced anyone to use Gates' product. You could/should of bought a Mac.

---------------- On 3/12/2005 10:49:14 PM minn_male42 wrote: so tell me how a speaker wire stores an electrical charge ---------------- ... you can ask the Fireman that died in San Jose a couple of weeks back.

---------------- On 3/12/2005 10:50:46 PM LarryC wrote: Oops, nevermind ---------------- That comment wasn't directed at you . I was serious, THANK YOU!

---------------- On 3/12/2005 10:39:03 PM LarryC wrote: ---------------- On 3/12/2005 10:09:51 PM SHUFF wrote: What the Hell is "frottage"? ---------------- frot·tage (frô-täzh) n. 1. The act of rubbing against the body of another person, as in a crowd, to attain sexual gratification. ---------------- Thanks! Couldn't find it in my Webster's. Maybe it's too old.

Yo, Yo, YO, Mr. Know It All is in da HOWSE!

---------------- On 3/12/2005 7:41:09 PM bsafirebird1969 wrote: AAAAAH ...! it's about wire...again ... thank god Gil , 'an Tom .... know that wire ..... is just ... WIRE P.S. under most conditions .. 1) it's not a filter ..NOT TRUE 2) it's not a capacitor ...NOT TRUE 3) it doesn't need "break - in " NOT TRUE ---------------- Unfortunately you're WRONG on all THREE accounts. WRONG, WRONG, WRONG

Hi guys, Any opinions on sterling silver A.C. power cables? What the Hell is "frottage"?

---------------- On 3/9/2005 7:49:53 PM Champagne taste beer budget wrote: I'd like to revisit my capacitor idea. It's been a long time since I messed with em in school. I realize there are ratings for capacity, but are there also different rates of absorbtion? As in, cap1 holds X Mf, but takes Y time to charge, where as cap2 holds A Mf, but takes Z time to charge fully. Wouldn't there be a cap that would slowly dissipate the charge in your body before you touched anything, or are ALL caps so fast acting that they'd absorb enough in a fast enough time that you'd end up getting a little jolt anyway? Hell, if they can sell $300 wood volume knobs that do nothing (IMHO), then surely someone could dress up a cap into a nice little box or cylinder that Mr Hoity Doity would buy for $200 so he can zero himself to ground before he touches his $20,000 turntable. My idea, I got dibs on it if it'll work!! ---------------- The block o' brass item I mentioned is in a way your idea. I'll see if I can find the old Stereophool it appeared in. Don't remember if IT still gave you an arc or not, just remember the item. A block of metal would be a cap of sorts.

---------------- On 3/9/2005 11:39:28 AM Tom Adams wrote: I don't have any scientific proof about what I'm about to suggest, but I do have some observed evidence. I believe that some people tend to have a static charge built up on them more than others (might explain champagne's T-shirt removal light show ) regardless of what type of clothing they wear. I say this because there have been many times that the wife & I will get out of my truck or her car (both with leather seats) and I'll get a ZAP and she won't. And if she does get a ZAP when I do, her's is no where near the mini-lightning bolt I get hit with! I've also gotten a ZAP getting out of my truck during the summer. And those of you familiar with summer in coastal Georgia know that humidity is always 70+ percent. Tom ---------------- No "scientific proof" needed Tom, my Wife and I enjoy the same phenomena as well, but with our sliding balcony door as well as with the car. We live in a semi-arid climate.

---------------- On 3/9/2005 11:03:16 AM minn_male42 wrote: i've used a humidifier for years and it is a much better solution than a can a "static guard"... ...so THAT explains it!, why you're "all wet" Where do you practice medicine?

As previously stated, a can of "Static Guard" judiciously applied is the simplest way to address and control the problem. Make it part of your cleaning routine, like every time you vacuum or dust. The problem I have with humidifiers is that the moisture they induce eventually finds its way into your switches and pots, accelerating a process that's already fast enough. The drawbacks are magnified if you are a smoker. The humidification approach is good in a plastic mill, not so good in a living room, especially in areas where mold is a problem, or if you own a lot of books and prints (foxing). "Static Guard" instant results, cheap and effective. A LIGHT wisp of spray on the back side of your turntable mat and you will have less/fewer issues with records acting as dust magnets as well. Treats the problem at the source.

Lovely, lovely speakers. JBL vintage and Altec/Lansing drivers are works of both mechanical and sonic art. I enjoy just looking at the older stuff, like the basket/magnet structures on the 130s. Everthing about them just screams "QUALITY", like old Rolls-Royces. Beautiful fit and finish. If I may ask, what did a pair that nice set you back?

"The electron theory of metals describes how electrons are responsible for the bonding of metals and subsequent physical, chemical and transport properties." And may I add, properties that still are not fully understood nor explored, and reaching far beyond the observation of electron behavior known as "Ohm's Law".

---------------- On 3/8/2005 3:56:18 PM minn_male42 wrote: ---------------- On 3/8/2005 3:38:40 PM SHUFF wrote: You guys have been asking for the "science" since last Friday. I just felt that Mizutani's definitive text would be more beneficial to those looking for answers than knowing what brand of cord I own. ---------------- citing a text that deals with: The electron theory of metals describes how electrons are responsible for the bonding of metals and subsequent physical, chemical and transport properties. This textbook gives a complete account of electron theory in both periodic and non-periodic metallic systems. The author presents an accessible approach to the theory of electrons, comparing it with experimental results as much as possible. The book starts with the basics of one-electron band theory and progresses to cover up-to-date topics such as high Tc superconductors and quasicrystals. The relationship between theory and potential applications is also emphasized. The material presented assumes some knowledge of elementary quantum mechanics as well as the principles of classical mechanics and electromagnetism. This textbook will be of interest to advanced undergraduates and graduate students in physics, chemistry, materials science and electrical engineering. The book contains numerous exercises and an extensive list of references and numerical data. without saying why provides no reference at all.... what about Dr. Mizutani's book applies to the discussion at hand?? how is his work with superconductors and quasicrystals relevant to power cables?? how does electron theory prove or disprove claims of aftermarket power cable companies?? why is this book more relevant than the standard electronic books that present ohms law and the practical application of electicity in our audio equipment??? can you give us any reasons why we should spend $48 on an ebook or more in the bookstore that could provide ANY relevant information in the quest for the truth about power cables?? ah..... yes.... i forgot that trolls don't answer direct questions..... ---------------- I guess the thought of venturing too far beyond the fundamental is terrifying for you. By the way, your "Googling" wasn't very thorough, at one time most of this text was available as free downloads, on-line, no need to spend a dime, just a little time.

---------------- On 3/8/2005 3:51:33 PM silversport wrote: Shuff...SEE...we CAN agree on something!!! Yes, by gosh YES! I DID mean post not thread...conclusively and precisely I did in FACT mean post and I stand corrected...my apologies (this is the only serious part of my THREAD... ) Now...either pistols at dawn or Roman Candles at midnight...your thoughts??? Bill ---------------- How would you feel about drawing for I.Q. points, highest "hand" wins.

---------------- On 3/8/2005 3:22:19 PM silversport wrote: Guys, guys guys...please...when I worked for NASA during the 70's we did several experiments that showed positively, to me anyway that the heavier the gauge wire the more information as it were can be transmitted through said wire...that is if the wire is thinner, not as much or you might say LESS information is transmitted therefore bigger is indeed better...now if you add this to the arguement we find that an additional...wait...I never worked for NASA in the '70s...I never did these experiments...I'm sorry...carry on! ...and then... Bill ---------------- ...so what was this in response to? By the way, this isn't my thread, I think you meant POST.

---------------- On 3/8/2005 3:25:40 PM silversport wrote: Shuff...aren't you being a bit vain thinking that Trey was talking about your thread??? CLEARLY he is talking about Amy's response to champagne taste beer budget's query... Bill ---------------- You guys have been asking for the "science" since last Friday. I just felt that Mizutani's definitive text would be more beneficial to those looking for answers than knowing what brand of cord I own.

---------------- On 3/8/2005 3:17:27 PM Trey Cannon wrote: I have 2 words to say... Horse Hockey ---------------- ??? Have you read it? A bit advanced, but VERY interesting none the less.

Suggested reading by the "lying ...". Introduction to the Electron Theory of Metals Uichiro Mizutani Nagoya University, Japan Hardback (ISBN-10: 0521583349 / ISBN-13: 9780521583343)

---------------- On 3/7/2005 9:11:33 PM Dylanl wrote: It was my mistake then. Sorry for accusing you. I guess I was just getting caught up in the other thread and thought it may have spilled over here. If you mean what you say and your intention are forthright I appreciate your viewpoint. So much for the Tech. section being boring ---------------- Thank you very much for your integrity and mature nature. And yes, I am being quite sincere.

---------------- On 3/7/2005 11:11:05 PM DrWho wrote: This thread reminds me of everytime I've mixed monitors for live bands...There will always come a time when some performer (usually the lead singer or guitarist) will complain they can't hear something and will keep asking over and over for it to be cranked. Being the annoying prick that I am, I'll walk up to the stage and listen to what they're hearing (I think sometimes they get wierded out when my head gets next to their's like I'm going to kiss them or something, lol). 9 times out of 10 I'll think it sounds just fine and then I'll go back my board and actually turn down the thing they had asked me to turn up. I'll ask them right away if it's better and 9 times out of 10 they will thank me for correcting the problem. When I feel like being real annoying, I'll promptly notify the performer that I actually dropped the volume a good 3dB. Ok, to be honest I don't just do it to be an annoying prick, but to point out a very important concept to the people I'm mixing for: just changing the way you listen can have a greater effect than actually changing the sound itself. Now if someone were to ask me if I turned it up (after I knew I turned it down), I would honestly say that it did get louder...even if they had an SPL meter showing that it went down in volume. Why? Because good mixing is all about the perceptions of the target audience. Granted, after a while the musicians start to catch on, but when they do, all of sudden the things they ask for are actually needed and I will even give them what they want (most of the time anyway) So if you want to hear a difference between different power cables, then you are going to hear a difference and that difference will be there. If you don't want to hear a difference, then you aren't going to hear a difference and that difference won't be there. BUT, putting the psychoacoustics aside...an experienced unbiased humble listener should eventually realize whether or not a difference truly exists. Objectivity is a rare thing in audio and is a main reason why there are so many opposite viewpoints. Personally, I like to consider myself good at being objective because I make it a daily practice to remove myself from the emotions of music so that I can correctly mix it. I seriously would love the opportunity to objectively listen to all sorts of super expensive "snake oil tweaks" and arrive at my own conclusions as to whether or not there is a difference or improvement. I firmly believe science is not yet good enough to fully express the phenomenon of hearing and the related technologies. However, when I have not heard something I will (and should) rely on that limited scientific background. It's called being a skeptic. Wasn't there somebody offering to let someone try out their cables? Is that offer still available? ---------------- That's not being a prick, that's being intelligent. Many automobiles have been fixed by just raising the hood and showing some concern. This applies primarily to the elderly driving modern vehicles, "my Packard never did that" kind of a thing. Thank you for the good post.

---------------- On 3/7/2005 9:54:44 PM Champagne taste beer budget wrote: ---------------- On 3/7/2005 9:41:03 PM SHUFF wrote: Shorts to ground, child's play, let's talk OBDII intermittants. ---------------- MADE ME LAUGH OUT LOUD!!!! Literally!!! '97 Lumina, came in with history misfires on #3 and 6. #3 injector not firing at all, no click, no loss of pressure while running injector flow test. #6 had burnt end on plug wire, replaced end, recommended full wire set, customer declined due to cost of other repairs. Total bill with water pump leak, $553.12. That was on Thursday. Came back in this AM unexpected. Ran fine Thur and Fri, missed on Sat, no drive on Sun, missed on way to shop this AM, until stopped for gas, then no miss, ran fine until here, CEL on (DUH). Started it, ran it in, no misfire, 50K misfires on #6 in history, plug good, wire good, injector firing. I got a feeling we have another injector going down, talked him into leaving it for me to drive home tonight, 33 miles each way, will see what happens. And I still don't know what brand of power cable you have. ---------------- What does the scope say about the wires? Real time. It's GM, the failure frames are stored, if you know how to access/read them. Unless you're making a movie, what good is it driving it home, except to verify a complaint you already say you know exists, or are you hoping for that all powerful "hard failure" that negates the benefits OBDII has to offer in the first place? Or is the situation so out of hand that the "boss" is having a shot at it to attempt to salvage any credibility you still have with the customer? Says a lot for your techs. 50 thousand misfires in history is a basics problem, why don't you use a little science and induce the failure? If you really knew what you were doing, you wouldn't let the customer tell YOU what the car needed, regardless of monies spent on unrelated repairs. The vehicle would have gotten those wires you say it needs or you would have sent them down the road, and let someone else fix it for nothing. But you're not really sure that'll fix the problem, now are you? Your customer wouldn't buy the wire set you say should be replaced but yet you're still screwing around with someone that says "don't spend too much time, or too much money, just fix the car", or so you imply. Don't give me that tired old crap about what "good customers" they are. It's like saying "why, they buy all their gas here and let us do all their oil changes, too!" Try some analogies on them like "driveability problems are like onions, sometimes I just have to guess my way through enough layers until I luck up and cure the problem". You know what I'm talking about, "shotgun it", you're bound to hit it eventually. You couldn't convince them that the "bad" wires could destroy their cat, or worse? Maybe your communication skills are why they were reluctant to go the distance on the wire set. Gee, it's easy, they're bad or they aren't. The scope should show you a bad or marginal lead even if it's not breaking down while you're looking at it, or do you use the old visual and cancel 'em will it's idling, technique? There's more to it than buying a scanner, pulling codes, and faking your way through the rest of it. But I guess you already know that.