tastyratz

I'm curious, Has anything ever come of this?

http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6449_7-6661274-1.html "Ultimately, we agree with the Imaging Science Foundation (ISF), a group that consults for home-theater manufacturers and trains professional video calibrators, when it says that the most important aspect of picture quality is contrast ratio, the second-most important is color saturation, and the third is color accuracy. Though resolution may be the most talked-about spec these days, it comes in fourth on the ISF list, and after you sit watching five TVs lined up side by side, you understand why" ------ It also largely depends on the source. If you want to compare a comcast 720p signal to a blueray 1080p theres no contest. Blueray has alot more bandwith for the signal and being much less compressed you will see a much better picture regardless. HDtv through satellite or cable providers is compressed so much its barely still HD. When you have done your comparison you used different things, there were many variables. Blind studies have proved that people also perceive a tv thats larger as being higher quality even if its not. Try sitting a decent distance away from your tv. Use the same source blueray player but tell the device to output a max resolution of 1080i instead of 1080p. You should have an extremely hard time seeing the difference if your even able to spot it at all. Dont forget since you have an lcd its a progressive display regardless of input, and if your stare at a still image you should NOT see ANY difference. If its a fast moving image you MIGHT be able to detect SOME clarity differences mainly on edges. Its up to the person buying the tv of course, and it really depends alot on what youll be feeding the device. I doubt we will be seeing any 1080p signals broadcast over the air because of the bandwidth it requires and the fcc bandwith limit assigned to stations for the current HDTV standard. as far as the xbox 360 goes 1080p has been a bumpy road, and you wont see very many games that do well in 1080p so with gaming 720p is more likely to be the signal (or closer to the actual output resolution) As far as hdtv broadcast OTA or via pay feed you wont be seeing a 1080p channel anytime soon. The main question erick is if you want to go 1080p for hddvd or blueray alone. Right now in this instance I cant see it being worth spending the money. Comparing the displays in the store is always very hard to do because they use wildly in-accurate calibrations from the manufacturer to make them stand out on the floor. Keep up on reviews, maybe see if anyone you know nearby is sporting specific technologies where you can see it first hand and use it as a baseline for comparison? Ive recently picked up my whole klipsch synergy from a friend at best buy for about half cost, the markdown is phenominal. The 42" plasma I have is this one which has unbelievable rant rave reviews online, and gets a definite thumbs up from me http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7679185&type=product&productCategoryId=pcmcat95100050005&id=1134703131623 they also have a 50" version http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7679238&type=product&productCategoryId=pcmcat95100050005&id=1134702980410 Price is 2000 on sale for the 50", im sure that with your friends discount you may be able to get it very reasonably within your range. P.S. dont mind my ADD structure, Ive posted this from work and added to it in pieces

1080p is hype, dont bother. I think it was cnet, but they did a thing where they hooked up like 6 hdtvs and ran them in different modes to see if they could see the difference in the most intensive movies. they watched mission impossible 3 and they said (from memory dont quote me) the difference between 1080i and 1080p could be seen if you looked at the photo frame on the distant wall in the back ground in a fast moving shot while watching side by side and straining your eyes up close. does that sound worth it to you? dont waste your money on a useless technology. 1080p is overkill and a placebo in many cases. You might see the difference on an extremely high end 72" tv. The likelyhood of seeing 1080p signals on anything through a cable or over the air is nilch for an EXTREMELY long time. We dont have the capacity to send the signal its enormous, and even if we did it would be so compressed you would do better with a 1080i image thats less compressed. Signals dont look that different on lcd or plasmas, dont forget they are progressive by nature and all images are converted as such. You are better off getting a higher quality 1080i or 720p set than wasting your money on a 1080p set unless you want to get into the really big money tv's. A low end 1080p set that costs as much as a mid end 1080i or 720p set will look like trash in comparison. If you go plasma I highly recommend getting a panasonic. I picked one up myself a few months ago after seeing so many rant reviews and people saying that basically its second only to pioneer tvs but not by far. I agree, does not appear anyone makes a set that comes close for the money.

Bingo, thats exactly what I went with. I called bose for giggles to ask for the frequency response or sensitivity and the guy said "they dont even tell US that information" Little googling led me to see that they had a frequency response of 46hz to 13.3khz +/- 10db with a gap in response from 200hz-280hz which is between the cube speakers response and the subs response. I was amazed at the fuller sound I was getting and I guess thats a pretty good reason why. My girlfriend went and threw an estrogen hissyfit when she seen the size of the floors vs the size of the bose and how it now "clashes with her home decor" but let me tell you, I find it rather convenient that after watching the first movie later that night she seems to have mysteriously forgotton about their size... not a peep about them since [Y] I had my first taste of klipsch with that sc-1 center channel years back and I guess you could say I just havent been the same since. I went with the bose because they were tiny and I eagerly awaited the day I had the time/money to go back to where I belong. Feels good to be back :-)

hdmi will deliver a better quality signal over component as hdmi is full digital, and component is technically not. If components look better to you its either the way the signal is processed at your tv or the signal is so clean on hdmi you notice errors in the video stream. Hdmi is essentially just a dvi connection with extra pins for audio, there is no visual difference between dvi and hdmi.

I picked up everything on friday and good thing, the discount stopped saturday. Now I have a real incredible sound system and no regrets. I left 1 of the bose speakers hooked up in the front, then hooked up an f2. Walked back and forth between the 2 and it was like going from a 10$ wal mart speaker. Direct comparisons are when you TRULY see what youve been missing. Everything was remarkably clearer ESPECIALLY the highs which have their own distinct klipsch sound. Night and day to myself and all my friends. I watched John Travolta's Swordfish later that night. Now I have to go back and watch some of my favorite movies to see what I was missing. My girlfriend protested the f2's size the first day or 2 they were there on a higher level, but after watching a couple tv shows she seems to have conveniently forgotten. Thanks for pushing the idea of going with a pair of floor standers, they really shine. Chalk a mark for another proud klipsch owner.

well I talked to my friend last night, and she gets the f1s for 140$, f-2s for 180$, c2 for 145, and s1 for 158. Looks like I think I'm going to pick up a pair of f2's for now and a c2 center, then use the b-2's I already purchased as the rear surrounds and just keep it as 5.1 till I can afford to go 7.1 later on down the road. At those prices though I might as well get the nicer floorstanders :-)

Im going to stop at a different best buy on the way home from work and see if they have a good enough setup to really hear things. I will probabbly make my decision there with that. I tried calling klipsch support for an additional opinion about choices because of my room setup if I should be getting a pair of s-2s for the surrounds or use the b-2s for rear fill and he recommended the s-2's. My future goal is really just to have a very nice setup for mainly movies. Its not in an overly large room, and probabbly never will be used in more than a medium sized room unless I hit the lottery. I'm already feeling the losses with the bose setup for resale but I am also taking advantage of the opportunity for the best buy employee discount while I can. The quintets are attractive to me because they are smaller for a living room in a small apartment, and I can mount them to the pole mounts from the bose (whether theirs provisions too or not I can make it work) but I dont know if audibly they will be up to snuff with what I want. Ultimately my ears should tell me tonight. If I can get the whole setup for 2-300 and be done it might just be worth it. I doubt I would be able to swing the f-2s right now, maybe even the f-1's. Im really in limbo with my choices and it could go many ways... Finances taking one of the higher priorities for me right now. This isnt something I was looking to spend on quite yet as I just splurged a bit too much on thanksgiving with a plasma, etc. but when opertunity calls.... So far I have already purchased and have at my house the sub-10 and b-2 pair.

dtel, What I meant by lateral move was financially, not acoustically. Perhaps I didn't convey that 100%. I wouldnt be going through the hassle of it all if I thought it would sound exactly the same :-) I actually took dr whos advice and picked up a set of b-2's at best buy last night. I went in and used their listening station, and they sounded distinctly better than the quintets. The quintets sounded like something was "missing". The demo setups for all their audio to compare was absolutely terrible. It was very hard to make a comparison in front of me. sub12 was hooked up, sub10 wasnt, center channel in the quintets was not functional... (that would explain the sound that something was "missing"). Tried going to the bose station for a direct comarparison and it didnt work at all. Everything was hooked up to almost 10 year old receivers. It does make me slightly nervous however hearing between the quintets and the b-2's such a stark difference that I don't know if I want to go with the quintets anymore - atleast until I get to hear another demo of it in the store and its at a working properly setup station. They had a slightly muffled sound to them, the b-2 was so much crisper. Again it could be that all the speakers sounded sub par hooked up to that particular station, and it could just be the center channel not being present. On discount the b-2's only cost me 130 instead of 220 so I am now tossing around the idea of using them for my rear surrounds, getting a pair of f-1's and a c-1 center. I suppose I would have to skip out on going 5.1 to 7.1 until I can really afford to. I really am trying to do this as cheaply as possible right now but I don't want to just get the set and make a mistake. Are the components in the synergy III line "binned" for example, if I went with a set of f-1's would I just be buying a set of b-2's in a taller cabinet or are there going to be other differences as well?

Hello, I have had a bose acoustimass 10 terror for long enough and need to get back to Klipsch, I miss my old synergy dearly. Last night I picked up a sub-10 and today im picking up a 5.1 quintet III system from the local best buy (friends girlfriend gets discounts and I get the perk :-) ) Unfortuanately I cannot find any matching 7.1 upgrade kits but unless told otherwhise here I figured it was safe to go with something else from the synergy series. My particular room setup is far from optimal but its what I have to work with and I wont be able to deviate the positions. Its about 15ft front to back and 25ft side to side. The viewing position is on a futon butted against the wall about 4 feet off center. Now this futon will eventually have a "couch table" that will go behind it pushing it forward a foot or 2, and giving me additional space to place a rear 6.1 or 7.1 addition. I was considering the best way to address my needs would be to pick up a pair of s-1 surround speakers, and placing those on the rear sides while using 2 of the quintet speakers as the rears. Either that or possibly picking up a center channel unit, placing it in the center of the sofa table behind the couch, and having a 6.1 setup instead of 7.1 which would be fine. I would love a more seasoned second opinion. Size does matter so a smaller housed speaker is more ideal since you will practically be putting your head on the speakers. What would be the best way for the best rear fill in such a short distance? Would I be best butting some bookshelf speakers against the wall and aiming them towards each other so the wall reverb fills the space a little more? I would think aiming them towards the ceiling would have too much reflection to be worth it. Would I be better off just staying 5.1 and not bothering at all? Should I get a 90 deg. coverage surround and aim it up so it projects at 45deg angles in either direction? Sound while on the couch matters, anywhere else in the room really doesnt. This is a very budget minded setup for right now. Eventually I would like to upgrade to a better synergy setup around $2,000 but thats realistically few years away. Im selling the bose and buying this in a lateral move. If its a speaker available in best buy or magnolia where I can get a discount.... or possibly an older model I can pick up on ebay (my first klipsch experience was a synergy sc-1 center channel and im forever changed) that is a big plus. $700 speakers are not an option. Im not really sure how would be the best to attack something like this so Im really just throwing out ideas.