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Ok, so if I am reading all of this correctly (and more understanding it), the only true difference between ports and PRs is the cost factor with ports being far far cheaper (as a piece of MDF is cheap as is the port tube you linked to). If this is the case, still, why ever use a PR? With respect to the Chorus IIs, there must be one that simply works better? If not, Klipsch could have pocketed a few hundred more in profit by using a port and selling at the same price.
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You know. My biggest problem is that I have no idea where to start. When I think about separates I wounder what I would need to buy. For example, how do you handle video if you wanted to? Certainly you can have a lot of video inputs and something needs to tie them together. Then, how do you handle optical? DTS processing? As my sig says, I really am speaker dumb and lack the appropriate amount of research time...sadly....(blame working for the man).
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If you like a warm and dynamic sound you must try Denon's DRA-37 AM/FM Stereo receiver. I promise this little 50watt receiver will wake up your Klipsch speakers. CircuitCity has a 30 day return policy.
http://usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/3389.asp
I also purchased the Denon DP-300F turntable from Crutchfield. It also sounds wonderful
That particular one is missing optical in. But thanks for the suggestion. I take it you took a mostly separate route?
It does not have any internal DAC's, so there is not need for it to have optical in. The receiver would rely on the decoders that are built into your CD/DVD player.
Except my problem is, I prefer to stream DTS from my PC directly to the receiver knowing the DACs on the receiver should be better. Not to mention you eliminate the 60hz chances with optical.
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PRs are superior in that they don't have vent colorations or wind noise (but those can be eliminated when using properly sized ports and/or through the use of flared ports) and they are better in small enclosures where it is simply not possible to fit a properly sized port (because the port length would be too long). They negatives about PRs is that they have a steeper cutoff, less transient stability, usually a slightly higher cut-off frequency, and greater overall losses compared to ports. As long as I could determine the tuned frequency of the PR, then I guarantee that I could design a port replacement that would sound indifferentiable to 99% (or more) of the people here.
So then why use a PR? And I have no clue where to find any specs.
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If you like a warm and dynamic sound you must try Denon's DRA-37 AM/FM Stereo receiver. I promise this little 50watt receiver will wake up your Klipsch speakers. CircuitCity has a 30 day return policy.
http://usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/3389.asp
I also purchased the Denon DP-300F turntable from Crutchfield. It also sounds wonderful
That particular one is missing optical in. But thanks for the suggestion. I take it you took a mostly separate route?
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you're lookin' for 2 channel and how much do you want to spend and must it be new???...Anyone heard the Outlaw RR2150 Stereo receiver...I see them from time to time on the 'Gon... http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?miscrcvr&1189774360 ...here is one now...don't know the seller, yadda ya...
Bill
I was looking between 4-6 or so hundred. As far as how many channels. That's a good question. I seem to want to lean toward more so I have room to grow without new hardware. I have heard Outlaw is pretty good at a reasonable price. Thanks for that site. I will have to keep a watch on it.
I think I am going to get my speakers back to "normal" and see how things are...I wont "trot too hot." (in the words of Oldbuck...)
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Hahaha....thanks guys! Some of you have convinced me to forgo my receiver upgrade so I'll pick up the prs. Although cutting ports would be cheaper, it will be nice to see...err...hear how these things are when fully together.
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I own a Yamaha Receiver............many on here like HK.......Marantz are nice....... really, your speakers will sound different after the mods, and maybe your Pioneer will sound better.........unless your just hot to trot for a new Receiver........relax, don't rush into it and be sorry later.........
Yeah, my Pioneer doesn't sound bad...of course maybe I haven't heard good. I don't like the white noise in the background when close to the speakers as I spend most of my time no more than 2-4 feet away.
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Hi there Mike.
I'm actually in the market looking for a new sub too. From my finding so far anything from SVS, HSU, Velodyne,
Axiom, or if you got the money to spend JL Audio. Any of these would be a worthy purchase. Whats your price range? You should pm TheEar, he IS the sub man, and could answer any questions you would have. Also, you should head on over to the avs forums: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=7681506 They have just a sub section and everyone there has done a lot research on their woofers.
Anyway, hope that helps out, let us know what sub you end up deciding on.
later on,
-Andrew
Thanks for that thread. I will have to read through all of it. My price range is a few hundred, no more than 6 or 7. I know...not enough....but hopefully good enough....
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I think there are better choices than Denon, just my opinion................I would be tempted to wait until after your speaker upgrades, listen to them for awhile, then decide on a Receiver...................take a look here to compare........... www.vanns.com .......just more information to confuse you...or...go to some forum members place and check out their equipment........Seems to be more Klipsch guys surfacing around here......I'm 2 hours from Poughkeepsie ............ there are others closer, but I can't invite you there, only my place, although, I might be alittle old for your taste, besides, I'm stuck in the 70's ..................... Really, I'd wait until your speakers are done, and you give them a good listen.....Old BEC is a talented guy, you won't be sorry you did that ...................
Which brand(s) do you like? That site seems to have decent prices but there are so many to choose from. I just have no clue who stands out the most. Such a tough call. And I do know a lot of it is up to the person's ears but I don't have enough discretionary cash to buy - sell - buy.
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Hello everyone,
Sorry I should have given a bit more information...
I currently own the speakers (Chorus IIs) and they are getting a set of new crossovers from Bob and a few other tweaks. I have a Pioneer VSX-D514 (or something like that) receiver and a Sony 10 inch 150 watt sub.
I listen to FM on occasion but MOST of the time I have a audio feed from my PC (optical DTS) for music and movies. Sometimes I route a TV though my receiver.
Give that, it sounds like a receiver is probably best. I am looking at the Denon 2307cl.
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Hello Everyone,
What is your take on a 2 channel setup concerning the use of a receiver or a processor/amp? The more information/opinions the better.
Mike
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Hello Everyone,
I currently have a 150 watt 10in Sony sub. It is OK but I got used to my Pioneer 800 watt sub in my car and need something with more POWER for home. I am running a 2 channel setup (a pair of Chorus IIs) and an entry level Pioneer receiver (which will be replaced by the Denon 2307cl soon -- unless someone thinks a separates system would be cheaper for 2 channel and if so recommendations are welcome). So, given that, do we have some recommendations for subs? I want at least a 12 and all brands are welcome.
Mike
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So it's just open where the passive should be? If so, you're missing out on a lot of low-end output
LOL, yes. (I sense some chastising coming...) ... I have been forcing my crappy Sony 10in 150 watt sub to make up for it.
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That wouldn't be over your head at all. Cut a disk to mount where the passive radiators would go. Put in two 3" diameter holes (a few inches apart would be good). Screw in place, sealing with something that you can get back off (IOW, don't use glue). No need to buy the passives. You would at least have them up and running until you could get/afford the passives.
Bruce
I may take a stab at it. The funny thing is, I've been using them for years without the passives.
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From the few I looked at I did not like their sensitivity. It was rather low in my opinion.
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Saddly that is probably far far over my head
haha...I know... I'm pathetic.I can get them. Klipsch doesn't have the KD-16s but they have a upgrated replacement model. The cost is 126 each (a bit steep in my opinion) seeing as when I called before (a few years ago) I was told the KD-16s, when in stock again would be about 55 each.
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RBH stands for rubbish.
Ok then.... haha... they appear in a few recommended home theater builds...so I was just curious.
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How does Klipsch stand up against RBH?
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Hudson Harbor it is...........I guess I've been beating around the bush, just wondered if perhaps you might have known him, He was president of Omega something, not sure........Poughkeepise has a large amount of Clarkson grads working there.............Good Schools bring good jobs, guess the money was worth it in the end. Had to talk him into getting his Masters now, and not waiting..........for once he listened...Oh yeah, his name is Jeff Doane, he would have been a junior the year you graduated...........well anyway, Best of Luck to you......buy Heritage.......
Unfortunately the name doesn't ring a bell but yes, the money is worth it (or at least I hope so because I still have plenty to pay back)!
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Where my son lives there is a path right to IBM, and he is like 3 miles from where he works. Were you in a Frat House while at Clarkson? So far, he's real happy down there............anything beats living with the Old Man.............
Sounds like he lives in Hudson Harbor. That is a nice place to live if you work at IBM because you can walk to work every day and save big bucks on gas. No, I wasn't in a frat while at Clarkson. Kept myself too busy with other works and audio type hobbies.
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Yup, I actually live just outside of LaFayette, but there are quite a few of them in the states.
I think Bob Crites can help with the caps (can't remember what's in the Chorus II crossovers). He's on here all the time, or search for him. Super nice to deal with. He also has diaphragms for many of the drivers. There are others on here who can help too.
Looks like some passives off ebay will have to do for you then. If anyone knew the specs, they could probably be replaced with something else, maybe at a lower price. Good luck.
Bruce
Thanks Bruce.
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The Chorus IIs rock! Are the passive radiators damaged in any way? I am curious as to why you feel the need to replace them. The crossovers in your Chorus IIs probably could use what most here consider a "freshening", which would mostly mean replacing the aging capacitors in them. Would probably make a big difference. Get the dead diaphragms replaced, and THEN have a listen to the receiver. That is probably what is being noisy. The horn tweeter and midrange will reveal noisy equipment in a heartbeat.
The passives are made with a certain compliance, or stiffness in them, which consists in the stiffness of the surround and the actual weight of the cone. Changing that will change the tuning of the cabinet. It is both an art and a science.
If you can replace the caps in the crossovers yourself, you can save yourself some money, but there are folks on the forum here who can do them for you for a reasonable price as well.
Bruce
Hi Bruce,
I agree, the Chorus IIs do rock. I love them and they were free. I plan on picking up the blown diaphragm as soon as I have time to confirm that it is indeed the problem.
With respect to the passive subs, it isn't a matter of replacing a broken one, it is a matter of replacing missing ones. Part of being free meant I took them as is. Well that mean they came with stickers stuck all over the outside, a missing Klipsch badge, and missing both passive subs. I sanded by hand and stained outside to clean them up, purchased a couple Klispch badges but there were no passive subs (KD-16) in stock.
When I called last week to check on the availability of the diaphragms, I was told there are newer passive subs available for the Chorus IIs. That said, the price is double what it was when I called a few years ago checking on the KD-16s (now 125 a piece).
With respect to the crossovers, where can said caps be purchased? I am pretty good with a soldering iron but just don't know where to pick up the parts.
Lastly, I see you live in one of the 14 other town of LaFayette's around the country (I grew up in LaFayette, NY).
Thanks!
Mike
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Mikeboyblue................Central Hudson, or IBM, work at either of those?
Haha! Those are about the only two places to work in Poughkeepsie eh? Yes, I work at IBM.
Small world indeed! In '62 I was born at Vassar Hospital, and my dad's
folks lived off Route 55 high on a hill near the Apple Valley Shopping
Plaza, Klondike Inn, and Eberhard Builders for many years (my grandmom
also worked at the hospital and at the cafe at Lucky Platts back in the
late '60s). In '78 they retired to Florida, so I haven't been up to
Poughkeepsie since then...wonder how much it's changed after all these
years? Still remember Big Ben, the IBM plant, the annual Dutchess
County Fair, and always loved the Sunday drives along the Taconic
State Parkway (good times as a kid).I do believe I know where the Apple Valley Shipping Plaza is/was. No clue about Klondike or Eberhard Builders. But yes sir, the IBM plat is still there and I have been to the past two county fairs (the 4H milkshakes are what everyone raves about -- I think they are ok). The Taconic State Parkway, is nuts if you so from Poughkeepsie south with all the traffic and crazy speeding people. But if you go north to the park and up to Hudson and toward Albany it is very nice!
As far as the Reference Series goes, I'm still a newbie after recently purchasing a cherry pair of RB-75s from member Ben Clarke, who bought them from Mark Deneen who had bought them from member capo72 (Jeremy). My dad's beloved '79 Cornwalls have been in all our household's multiple systems like forever (and now modded up the whazzoo in my brother's system), so I'm familiar with Heritage from that of family and of friends who also own CWs and Khorns. Since the RB-75s are the only Reference I've ever heard, I really can't comment on the entire series as a whole. But from what these TOTL bookshelf monitors can do, I'm very impressed with their non-fatiguing sonic qualities. IMO they're as refined as the Heritage, but with a slightly different sound...I can't really explain it...but they're sweet. I'm equally as thrilled with these RB-75s as I still am with the Cornwalls (and the CWs sound better still with the 2-way Altec 511B mods, like they're smaller versions of the Jubilees (heh)! Maybe not, but close).
So it seems like the reference series is a decent speaker but aimed more toward a home theater (literally a which screen and all). I a cannot remember exactly but when I was part of my university's radio station (from where I acquired my Chorus IIs), I think we purchased some RB-75 bookshelf speakers in black. If so, they are the nicest bookshelf speaker I have heart. I absolutely LOVE the Chorus IIs. I am just worried I wont be able to find parts for them as I need the passive subs and a diaphragm and have not clue what to do if the crossovers go.
I need to find a retailer who stocks Klipsch in the Poughkeepsie area so I can listen to other types without dropping a ton of money. I still really want their 12 in sub with 1000w amp (drool).
People who never heard Heritage
!........................................................Sorry just
kidding, and/or personal choice.What's the
deal with the current line of "Heritage" speakers? What differentiates
them from the others and do they stack up to the true "Heritage"
speakers?Thanks for the info guys (and gals if any).
Mike
haha...I know... I'm pathetic.
Chorus II - crossover, diaphragms, passive subs and more
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Haha, so, we have two solutions, one cheap and one expensive due to low demand. There is one problem with all of this. I don't really have the tools to cut a 15in MDF disc. Making the port hole isn't an issue because that's just a hole saw. Suggestions on tools? I don't want it look like an idiot did it....