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Thanks Greg! They're getting a little hard to find near me but I'll try and pick one up or just order it online. I hear they've also got a decent decibel meter. Gotta' have toys for your toys - it's what separates us from lesser primates.

Windows - 6 Linux - 2 Mac - 2

Yoinks! $300 in the 60's?! That's like.... three million dollars in today's money. Interesting concept though - I'll poke around the Nets and see what I can find.

Oh none taken. Fact is, I've never stood in the presence of Klipschorns let alone listened to a pair. Cornwalls are as far as I've climbed the Heritage Tree - used to rip Tchaikovsky's 1812 through a set the local dealer had a couple decades back. What are the dimensions of your room if you don't mind me asking?

I'm waiting on the SACD as I don't have a vinyl rig. No better music than PF to listen to in a blacked out room. "Is there anybody.... IN HERE?"

Correct, the barrel chair and bookcase would go. The floor lamps could easily be replaced if necessary with something that would sit atop the the Khorns. The Studio 40s would go and the amps could slide left/right accordingly. I've ripped all the CDs, so they don't need to be there - Lord knows I've a ton of stuff I could eventually get framed and put on the wall. The right corner is shallow, so that is what it is. The left corner... I could lose or shorten the shelves, they're just boards and bricks. I'm glad the mid wall is innocuous. Now if I can just get a response outta' the guy selling the speakers. They're really close, too. If I get the chance to inspect and listen to them, is there anything I should be looking for like rust in the trunk or wheel wells?

I am diggin' your positive vibes, it's just that spending this kind of money with a fair amount of uncertainty is kinda' scary and to be honest, flat out irresponsible when I consider a few other much more important things I should be looking after. I've no one to tell me "No", so I could see myself getting a little careless, but I really don't want to have to spend more money trying to get the best out of the Khorns - plug-n-play or stay away is what I'm thinking. Also, sitting in the picture is a pair of Paradigm Studio 40s but I've a nice pair of Forte II with all the B.C. goodies under wraps in another room. I suppose some day I could look for a pair of Corwalls if the itch must be scratched.

Every time I see your Avatar I fight back a tear. God I miss Peter.

For reference, I've included a link to the PWK article on the subject. The inverse of 0.619 is 1.616 - and your 9' ceiling height would be a ratio of 1.39. Both of these dimensions fit into PWK's chart (i.e., 1.39 along the horizontal axis, 1.616 along the vertical). Your 20' dimension may result in the need for a center speaker, but if the corners are clear, and the area between the speakers, i.e., the front wall, is also fairly clear of reflectors, you should enjoy really fine stereo imaging. If you have the need to aim Khorns directly at your listening position, which might cause you to want to position the speakers at an angle that is not 45 degrees to the corner walls, you could always build false corners. The use of false corners decouples the bass horn positioning in the corners from the need to want to point the top hats at your listening position. Just the capacitors will need replacement. They should sound just like other Khorns, once the capacitors are replaced.Chris Chris (my name as well), I'm embarassed to say I didn't find your previous posts on the matter. In partial defense, I do find the software usef for this forum rather frustrating at times - the search function is kinda' weak compared to what I'm used to elsewhere. For instance, I'd rather see just the thread referenced once when searching rather than each and every post in a thread - too much debris for me and I bail. Your posts are fascinating and for the most part I'm understanding all of it (cogratulations). They are at the same time, however, creating serious doubt in my mind (as far as I've gotten through them). I've come to the outsiders conclusion that the Klipschorn, regardless of it's implied simplicity, may well be the hardest speaker to find a proper home for. More in depth reading of your posts is required. Maybe you can comment on just how clear my walls really are.

JJ - the use of (need for) a center channel is my biggest fear as it's not really a possiblity for me. I sit on something called a... wait for it... "Lovesac". It's basically a bean bag (though they hate when you call it that) filled with memory foam. It's low to the ground, so putting my plasma on the wall high enough to clear an adequate center channel would have me looking up at the panel. On top of that, while I have a nice Denon for processing all the video stuff, I have an all tube setup for 2 ch listening consisting of a pair of Mark's pCATs fed by a Blueberry Xtreme, thus no simple, direct functionality for a center channel. What is a "Glide Tone" test? It seems as though you've gone to fair lengths to ensure solid bass from the Khorns so I'm kinda' surprised you felt a need for a sub. In the Klipsch lineup (factory stock), aren't the Khorns the end-all for bass? Are your Khorns used for HT as well and/or do you enjoy listening to organ music?

Mike - is the circle shifted to the left due to the deeper left corner?

To gain better perspective, here are some photos of the room...

??… or, which came first, the Klipschorn or the Room? ??I’ve long thought how fantastic it would be if a pair of Klipschorns presented themselves at a reasonable price. That just may be the case as of the last few days, so I got to thinking – just how compatible is my living space??? From the Klipschorn manual: ?“Klipschorn speakers typically perform best when positioned in the corners on the long wall of a rectangular room. If the room is very narrow and long with corners farther apart than 18 to 20 feet, the stereo image may not be optimal. A room with a length to width ratio of 1.00 to .618 is preferred. In addition, Klipschorn loudspeakers seem to benefit from ceiling heights no lower than 8.5 feet. The Klipschorn requires corner placement because the walls of the room serve to complete the speaker’s low frequency horn. To achieve full low frequency extension, the Klipschorn should fit tightly in a corner without baseboard or trim interference and the wall surfaces should extend at least 25 inches beyond the side grilles.” My room is indeed rectangular and measures 12.5 x 20.166 feet, which results in a ratio of .619 – a squeaker. Regarding the ratio range of 1.00 to .618, a ratio of 1.00 would equate to a square room, which goes against the recommendation of placing them against the long wall of a rectangular room. Further math (not my strong suit) tells me a ratio of .81 would be the middle ideal (the Golden Ratio as it were) for which one possible result is a 16 x 20 foot room. So I’m wondering… how acceptable would the sound of Khorns be at the extreme of .618 (technically speaking, “Preferred”) yet still 20 feet apart as measured from the corners (not so “Preferred”)? Would the stereo image be pulled too far apart for proper staging yet a solid center??? As for the corners of my listening room, I’d say they’re 80%+ ideal, the faults being there is a baseboard and the corners aren’t quite as deep as the recommended 48 inches (46.5 inches to the left, 41.5 inches to the right). The right corner also has a cable jack that will likely come into play – maybe there is a 90 degree connector solution vs. the straight connector currently in place.?? Otherwise, they are "clean", just the odd piece of art on the wall. My ceiling is nine foot, so that bodes well.?? The speakers themselves are type KC-BR and built in 1977. Still not sure I can swing the cash, but if they’re factory stock, I’m guessing the crossovers should be rebuilt/replaced. What else if anything should be taken into account (strengths or weaknesses) compared to older or newer models?

So thus far... Windows - 4 Linux - 2 Mac - 1 Interesting. I've more complex questions about the Digital Realm, I just hafta' figure out how to formulate them. As a side note, they're some crafty buggers on this forum.

No debate, just a head count. A 'Poll' function would be more to the point but I don't think this forum has that functionality. In some fields I can see not spending the time or money on a Mac compatible software package but music wouldn't seem to be one of them. Again, I'm not resentful or throwing stones, just curious. In fact, it would also be interesting if one of the forum Admins would comment on the ratio of Macs to PCs used by members to access the forum and maybe provide a little historical data. Mac - 1 PC - 1

This is not a platform war question, just a simple curiosity – are you using a Mac, Linux or a Windows PC for a media server? I got the idea for the question after reading the following post from Dave, which spotlights a Windows/Linux only program. http://community.klipsch.com/forums/t/157149.aspx I ask because I'm wondering how the market is developing in comparison to the user base. I use a Mac Mini with Pure Music software.

Found a pair for sale and am giving it some thought. They are old-school - Bryston's first attempt at a monoblock. Can't find sasquatch about them on the Bryston site and a Rep didn't have much to add except that they won't be as quiet as newer models and could prolly use new caps. $250 apiece + shipping. Ouch. The lowest sensitivity speakers I own are Paradigm Studio 40s at 92 dB. Do I need 500 watt boulders holding down floor resonances? No. But, I've always wanted to hear the Bryston 'sound' and at the same time I'm curious as to just what kind of grip these monsters would have on the bottom end. I've a nicely modded pair of Forte II as my largest and most bass-capable speaker. My concern is just how high the noise floor is in this design and what its input impedance is since I'd be feeding them from a Juicy Music BBX which likes a minimum of 33 kiloohms but is happiest around 100. Anybody have any experience with or details on them? Thx.

I'll keep an eye out for your review - thanks. Once I get a better grab on tubes in my system I plan on signing up for the two week trial. I'm hesitant about when I do it since I want it to be a time when I can REALLY focus on it without distractions.

C'mon guys... this is a moment for respectful concern to first and foremost the human face of the Company, followed by its legacy over the decades. Speculating wildly at the worst possible outcome is something of a slap to those who've spent years taking pride in their work at Klipsch. We weren't asked because it wasn't our decision to make. An explanation and details will come in time. Patience.

As a modest aside, how do you like Pure Music? I posted a question a few months back about it and got no love. I'm messin' with tubes in my system right now so I don't need another variable at the moment but I'm DYIN' to try this software. Was there an obvious improvement to your ears?

..the one deepest underground.

2,908 songs, 8.2 days, 75.72 jiggawatts. Short-dicked again. I feel it's important to state that quality often trumps quantity.

Guess you're the Lone Decco Ranger on this Forum. USB (Universal Serial Bus) is an Industry Standard, thus any Mac or PC made in the last decade or so should work fine. I'd start (and end, really) with this link. All you'd want to know about the process and then some but it's well laid out and explained. The consensus is to use a 'lossless' file format when ripping music to your computer's hard drive so you get all the fidelity possbile from your CDs. Connect it to your Decco with a USB cable, select the appropiate Input on the Decco and click 'Play' on your chosen playback software. You may need to make some adjustments to the Audio Utility on the computer you're using to make sure music is traveling through the USB port vs. the computer speakers ('Audio MIDI Setup' on a Mac, which is what I'm familiar with). Most playback software will allow you to play streaming music from the Internet but if by chance yours doesn't you should be able to use a web browser. Be aware that streaming audio at its best won't match a lossless file in quality and could fall well short of expectations if broadcast at a lesser bitrate. Still, it's a great way to get exposure to new music - love it myself.

I'd guess it largely depends upon a) the condition of the Label disc (most Kiddies are after Half Dollar and Lady Blah Blah, so the Coltrane & Mozart stuff should be mostly trouble-free) the quality of the software and its error correcting capabilities and finally c) high-quality media, at least if you want them to last. I've read that burned discs won't last as long as pressed (Label) regardless. Years ago Kodak used to make Gold discs which were said to be very archival as there was less chance of them oxidizing - 'er somethin' like that. 'Course, you could just rip them and not phycially copy them at all. Either way it's quite illegal as The Industry doesn't even want you copying for backup purposes the stuff you yourself purchased. Therefore, my advice to you is to print this thread and then eat it immediately.

Geez... I was contemplating a second job robbing banks. How 'bout iTunes though and the Remote App? The mutz nutz, eh?