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ROFLMAO That was hilarious.

Variable out on cd player? And if so what do you do just split the signal with a y to your sub and your amp?

I can relate to that one Gaspr. It's been one year and 4 months for me and my wife continues to smoke. Smoking is such a personal thing that all we can do is hope that they too want to better their health.

But but....what preamp doesn't add flavor?

I'm with ya on the 2325's Tuned. I just absolutley love the warmth the marantz brings to the sound. This isn't your nitty gritty ss folks. I only use the preamp section of the 2325 these days but I believe thats where most of the strength is.

It only gets better guys. Great work so far!

http://forums.klipsch.com/forums/thread/915062.aspx

The setup looks great by the way Camforu.

It's more about how the 200watts are designed. I've had 200 watters that sounded so shrill with no bass on horns. Would drive you out of the room before you could hit 50 of the 200 watts.

A quote from my brother. "Wow that doesn't hurt the ears at all but it is hitting me so hard. That sounds so awesome" QSC and Chorus II's

I dunno I think many could be happy a lifetime with either little herseys or fortes. By the way Congrats on the new Fortes![Y]

I have a QSC and the fan isnt audible even with your ear on the amp. And the QSC I have, I wouldnt trade it for 2 of those Rotels. But to be fair to Rotel the 1095 was designed for multichannel. And so not a fair comparison.

LOL

Wow , now I just bet that would knock your socks off. There ought to be a law[][Y]

That is one heck of a nice speaker collection you have there Bill[Y]

Wow. Thanks for understanding what I was referring too.

Doc, If the Crown K2 sounds better with more authority than my QSC SRA 2422 then it is one heck of an amp. This QSC isnt hype, its fact. I bet you have never moved those 15's in those Chorus II's like I have in mine[] We are talking a very smooth top end that never comes across as harsh at any volume and one heck of a tight bottom. This thing hits hard. Much more enjoyable and powerful than the Aragon. As far as the big adcom 565 monos, those things couldnt even keep up with the Aragon. I dont understand everything about gain and frequency response but I do know what I like and what sounds good. By the way I'll be on the floor for the Tool concert in Ft Wayne on June 23rd[Y]

Hey thanks for clearing that up for me and all the other "uneducated in audio" nuts out there.

Would that be @ 1 watt maybe? They should just post the true specs of the K2 as the MA5002VZ has done. That amp gives both the higher power specs at 1khz and the lower power specs at 20hz-20khz.

Keep laughin! But then its not me who is at a loss for data or familiarity with the amps. Note the subtle irony??? Might I suggest a little more "Thinking your @ss off"! So what is this, a swooft tag team effort? I don' know how to cut and paste hand holding, nor will I read the data for you. And if my effort to demonstrate that Crown makes available more data that what was represented is not enough. Well...baby birds will be baby birds... As stated, I posted an example of the typical data available for Crown amps. Ah gee, did I not jump through the hoops and paste the particular document that You were interested in. The irony of the situation is, the topic was Pro amps by Crown and I was more interested in another series. And I posted a production model. But I erroneously assumed a slightly higher than remedial skill set for "interested shoppers" who just might be motivated to find such data! (Like baby birds in a nest are motivated to hunt for food!) And that even neglects that fact that Crown has a free 800 number and a staff that is quite willing talk to "interested shoppers"! But then that too assumes the ability to use a telephone... Data sheets, telephones, where will the challenges end? The fact is "interested shopper", the K Series is a "discontinued series". For those who only complain and need others to do your leg work for you, that means that they are NOT BEING MADE ANY LONGER. But even so, the docs are quite available! [] http://www.crownaudio.com/pdf/legacy/102010.pdf http://www.crownaudio.com/pdf/legacy/136713.pdf http://www.crownaudio.com/pdf/legacy/k1_2calc.pdf And there's more, but I am not a motivated "interested shopper". I can only imagine the carnage and confusion if you ever reach the point when and if you try to figure out what to do with the long cord with the 3 prongs on it. BTW, call up Ford or BMW and ask them to send you a brochure for their 1981 models. See what they tell an "interested shopper".... They obviously don't give the spec other than @ 1khz so we will just let that dog lie. As far as Ford or BMW or Chevrolet or Chrysler, I am a vendor. So they call me. How little we know eh! Lighten up a little and have a drink on me. You said you were the Crown guru so who else would I want to ask. Geesh! Obviously I was referring to the used market. [:|] This is a forum for cryin out loud I didnt realize I was on the clock with my attorney. Just sharing info having a good time.

Crown has a manual about the Class H design. They dont like it. QSC disagrees and uses it in every theatre,club and studio where their bigger amps are needed. I have the studio/home version of QSC the SRA design, which Bob @ QSC says is closely related to the PLX series(Bob has stated just a fan difference but the specs dont corroborate that). Mine is class H and smokes any SS amp I've ever had in my home. Folks from different forums have had the discussion with some owning both and besides power they hear no difference. You aren't going to need a tubed preamp with a QSC PLX or SRA amplifier. But if you do go that direction might I suggest a Peach. It has been a proven combination from several forum members.

ROFLMAO! Indeed!!!! So as not to clutter the brains of audiophiles with anything superfluous that might interfere with their only using their ears. They publish plenty of specs! But you have to actually read to discover the others! And the what you are seeing there are a brief synopsis of their MINIMUM GUARANTEED SPECS! A brief synopsis that does NOT represent the full set of published specs! The link for many amp documents for a variety of series: http://www.crownaudio.com/gen_htm/express/examp.htm Hereafter, I will generally reference just the links for the MacroTech series : http://www.crownaudio.com/amp_htm/macronew.htm and just the MA-5002VZ unit in particular. Here is just the spec sheet (which is still an abbreviated synopsis!) http://www.crownaudio.com/amp_htm/maspec_2.htm Macro-Tech Series MA-5002VZ Specifications The following applies to 120-VAC, 60-Hz units in Stereo mode with 8-ohm loads and an input sensitivity of 26-dB gain unless otherwise specified. Specifications for units supplied outside the U.S.A. may vary slightly at different AC voltages and frequencies. Power Load Impedance: Safe with all types of loads. Rated for 2 to 8 ohms in Stereo, 4 to 16 ohms in Bridge-Mono and 1 to 4 ohms in Parallel-mono mode. Voltage Gain to 1-kHz, 8-ohm rated output; 132:1 6% or 42 dB 1 dB gain at 0.775-volt sensitivity. 71:1 12% or 37 dB 1 dB gain at 1.4-volt sensitivity. 20:1 3% or 26 dB 0.25 dB gain at the 26-dB gain setting. Required AC Mains: 50 or 60 Hz; 100-, 120-, 200-, 208-, 230-, 240-VAC (10%). AC Line Current, Current, voltage and frequency requirements are provided on the units back panel. At Idle: All units draw 90 watts or less. AC Line Connector: 10 AWG cordset with NEMA TT30P plug is provided on 120 VAC, 60 Hz North American units. Performance Frequency Response: 0.1 dB from 20 Hz to 20 kHz at 1 watt. Phase Response: 10 degrees from 10 Hz to 20 kHz at 1 watt. Signal-to-Noise Ratio,A-weighted: Better than 105 dB below rated 1-kHz power. Total Harmonic Distortion (THD): 1-kHz rated power, 0.05% or less true THD. Intermodulation Distortion (IMD): (60 Hz and 7 kHz at 4:1) Less than 0.05% from rated power to 35 dB below rated power at 8 ohms. Damping Factor: Greater than 1,000 from 10 Hz to 400 Hz. Controlled Slew Rate: (Slew rates are limited to useful levels for ultrasonic/RF protection.) Greater than 30 volts per microsecond. Controls Compressor: A three-position back-panel switch is used to control each channels input compressor. The "fast" setting provides an attack time of 4 milliseconds and a release time of 300 milliseconds; the "slow" setting provides an attack time of 12 milliseconds and a release time of 600 milliseconds; the "off" setting defeats output-driven compression. Enable: A front-panel push button used to turn the amplifier on and off. Input Ground Lift: A two-position back-panel switch located on the PIP2-FXQ used to isolate the input audio signal grounds from the AC (chassis) ground. Level: A front-panel rotary potentiometer for each channel with 31 detents used to control the output level. Loudspeaker Offset Integration: A two-position back-panel switch for each channel used to turn the loudspeaker protection circuitry on and off. The circuitry protects against DC, off-center woofer cone movement, and unwanted subsonic and ultrasonic frequencies. Sensitivity: A three-position back-panel switch for each channel used to select input sensitivity: 0.775 volts or 1.4 volts for standard 1-kHz power, or a 26 dB voltage gain. Stereo/Mono: A three-position back-panel switch used to select Stereo, Bridge-Mono or Parallel-Mono mode. VZ Mode: A four-position switch for each channel inside the front panel used to control the switching mode of the VZ power supplies. Indicators Enable: An amber front-panel LED that shows the on/off status of the low-voltage power supply. Signal/IOC: A green front-panel LED for each channel that flashes to show amplifier output. If a channels output waveform differs from its input by 0.05% or more, the indicator flashes brightly to show distortion. ODEP: An amber front panel LED for each channel that shows thermal-dynamic energy reserve. Normally, each ODEP indicator is lit to show available reserve energy. In the rare event that a channel has no reserve, its indicator will dim in proportion to ODEP limiting. ILoad/ILimit: A two-color (green/red) LED for each channel that shows load current and limit current. They glow green to indicate load current flowing out the amplifier, and they turn red when maximum current is being delivered to the load. Input/Output Input Connectors: Balanced three-pin XLR and balanced -inch(6.35-mm) TRS connectors are provided on the factory-installed PIP2-FXQ . Input Impedance: Greater than 10 kohms, balanced. Greater than 5 kohms, unbalanced. Input Sensitivity: Settings include 0.775 volts or 1.4 volts for standard 1 kHz power, or a 26 dB voltage gain. Output Connectors: A multifunction, high-current output block is provided. Crown output blocks include three pairs of connectors for each channel (a total of 12 connectors). This allows multiple loudspeakers to be easily connected to each channel. High current screw terminals and banana jacks are provided which accept spade lugs, banana plugs or bare wire. Output Impedance: Less than 10 milliohms in series with less than 2.5 microhenries. DC Output Offset: 10 millivolts. Output Signal, Stereo: Unbalanced, two-channel. Bridge-Mono: Balanced, single-channel. Channel 1 controls are active; Channel 2 controls are by passed. Parallel-Mono: Unbalanced, single-channel. Channel 1 controls are active; Channel 2 controls are removed from operation. Protection Macro-Tech amplifiers are protected against shorted, open or mismatched loads; overloaded power supplies; excessive temperature; chain destruction phenomena; input overload damage; and high-frequency blowups. They also protect loudspeakers from input/output DC and turn-on/turn-off transients. If unreasonable operating conditions occur, the patented ODEP circuitry will proportionally limit the drive level to protect the output transistor stages, particularly in the case of elevated temperature. Transformer overheating will result in a temporary shutdown of the affected channel; when it has cooled to a safe temperature, the transformer will automatically reset itself. Controlled slew rate voltage amplifiers protect against RF burnouts. And input overload protection is provided by the input compressors and current-limiting resistance at the input. Turn On: The four second turn-on delay prevents dangerous turn-on transients. It also has "soft start" to avoid tripping the AC circuit breaker by gradually bringing the supplies up to full voltage. Accessories Crown PIP and PIP2 modules including IQ-PIP modules. Construction Steel chassis with durable black finish, aluminum front panel with Lexan overlay, and specially designed flow-through ventilation from front to back panels. Cooling: Internal heat sinks with on-demand, proportional forced-air cooling controlled by ODEP. Includes custom heat diffusers and patented circuitry to promote uniform dissipation. Dimensions: 19-inch (48.3-cm) standard rack mount width (EIA RS-310-, 5.25-inch (13.3-cm) height, 15.875-inch (40.3-cm) depth behind mounting surface, and 2.875 inches (7.3 cm) in front of mounting surface. Allow 3 inches (7.6 cm) behind the back-panel for adequate air flow. Net Weight: 77 pounds, 9 ounces (35.2 kg) Shipping Weight: 88 pounds, 10 ounces (40.2 kg). ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- But this is just the beginning of the data! And those specs are just for those who have trouble reading the Manual and the Data sheets which have much more - and surprisingly, much more information is supplied relative to their voltage capacity rather than how much heat is generated! Go figure!. Manual: http://www.crownaudio.com/pdf/amps/128313.pdf And to think that there are additional specs and data in the manual as well! Data: http://www.crownaudio.com/pdf/amps/136707.pdf Oh, and DO check out this info page with a variety of pertinent documents! http://www.crownaudio.com/amp_htm/ampinfo.htm#b02. One you may especially find especially fascinating regarding the ITech series is: http://www.crownaudio.com/pdf/amps/138022.pdf I-Tech Power Specs: Why 2-ohm Power is Less Than 4- and 8-ohm Power And tell me that this is a limitation as some have attempted to present in a few other places in the recent past. Or do you have the capacity to supply 100Amps current capacity to the unit? Hmmmm? And there are also power and thermal dissipation documents as well. http://www.crownaudio.com/pdf/amps/131510.pdf -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "So, why do you suppose"???? (Aside from assuming nonsense as 'fact' supported ONLY by the unwillingness of some to get off their posteriors and to actually see if such assertions are indeed even valid! Do what!?!?!) But why should that stop some from their lame assertions!? Why do you suppose???? Well, first of all the pro market is not quite so enamored with 'power only' specs. But I can certainly see why this would be confusing to some! But then the 'pro' market, unlike the 'audiophile' market, since the advent of the 1990's, hasn't been debating the validity of such currently trendy audiophile topics as the 'value' of signal alignment (IF it is even acknowledged as an issue worthy of discussion by the erudite 'audiophiles'), or of the validity of incorporating gimmicky EQ methodologies to 'address' speaker-room interaction anomalies! And we won't even mention the acceptance of active crossovers with signal alignment as the de facto standard in the pro market for years now. Nope! Wouldn't want to do that! Why do you suppose?!?!?!?!?! LMAO!!!!!!!! That is an aweful lot of copy and paste there Mas.[] And if you would of looked closely at my small post I was referring to the K series amps that I am interested in. And not one of your links corrects that issue with the K series amps from crown. They do not publish power specs for that amp for the 20hz-20khz full frequency band only 1 khz. But now if you can find it and link it from somewhere that I dont see that would be great. I'm just an interested shopper. Maybe it doesnt even matter but most amps are rated @ 20hz-20khz.

Heres my little QSC: 8 ohms 20 Hz20 kHz 0.1% THD : 1550 W BRIDGE MONO MODE And the little Crown K2: 8-ohm Bridge-Mono 1,600W@ 1% THD @ 1khz The Crowns tend to only show their specs at 1khz not the entire frequency band. But as you can see these are some real power houses. And by the way both of these designs have zero fan noise in the listening environment.

That is extremely cool.[H][Y]