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I just finished building my first HT system: Klipsch KG3.5 mains, KSC-C1 Center, KSB1.1 rears. I purchased the Denon 2801, after considering as you did the 1802. There are some advantages to the 2801 I don't think others mentioned: 1) The 2801 has On-Screen-Display; the 1802 does not. 2) The 2801 comes with a learning remote, the 1802 does not (pretty sure). 3) The 2801's 90wpc vs. 80wpc is a good thing given that I have to really crank my 2801 to get it loud. I think 80wpc would be very marginal and I am glad I went with the 2801 in this regard. 4) The 2801 has pre-outs for all channels; the 1802 only L,R, C, Sub, if that makes any difference to you. 5) The 2801 has bananna plugs all around; the 1802 does not, if that makes any difference to you. I personally like it. 6) The 2801 is currently available for only about $30-$40 more than the 1802. I got mine from 6thAvenue, an authorised dealer, for $395 + shipping. Lowest (non-authorised BTW) price for the 1802 is ~$360. 7) I pass this on only as an "unsubstantiated allegation," but my local Denon dealer roundly criticised the 1601/02 and 1801/02. He said they were not built in Japan, but Korea. Said their quality was not up to Denon standards and he had had several returned with problems. Said the 2801s and up were quality products. For what it's worth. 8) In the 1802's favor, DPLII has gotten some very good reviews in another bulletin board I frequent (www.audioreview.com). Read through the HT message board and decide for yourself. I think the 1802 deserves consideration on that point, but otherwise IMHO the choice is the 2801, particularly given the current low cost. HTH, BrianM

Thanks for the advice, I appreciate it.

I just got a pair of KG3.5s new from ubid. From the Klipsch site I see they are rated at 65 watts continuous. My receiver, a Denon 2801, is rated at 90 WPC. How concerned should I be about blowing the 3.5s? Do I need to be extremely careful with the volume, or is the 2801 rated a little high, as I have heard this elsewhere? Advice appreciated.

Here is my system: KG3.5 mains KSC-C1 center KSB1.1 rears Denon 2801 I'd like to get a sub but my budget is strained. I've looked at Klipsches, but even discontinued KSW-100s seem to go for nearly what a new KSW-10 goes for. Unlike the other discontinued models I bought, there doesn't seem to be any price break on Klipsch subs. What out there is a good under $200 sub? My room is about 12x12, but with a vaulted ceiling. Alternately, where can I get a discontinued, but NIB, Klipsch sub for a good price? Any advice is appreciated.

I called Klipsch and they said Ubid is a fully authorised dealer and Klipsch will honor the full 5-year warranty on any of their products sold by Ubid--so even if you can't return it to Ubid like you can with Costco, you are still covered against defective merchandise. I don't know what Ubid's own return policy is, actually.

Is that $299 each or for a pair? Because right now KLF-10s are available daily on Ubid for about $169-189 each. Yes, you will have to pay through the nose for shipping from Ubid, but given the price it's still an unbeatable deal. IIRC, shipping for the KLF-10s is $150, so grand total is $528 or $488 if you get them at $169 each. This against $598 + $xxx shipping from Costco. And Klipsch does honor its full warranty from Ubid, I checked. If I had the room and the cash I would buy a pair right now, but I just don't.

Thanks all for the replies. Bacevedo--I am now considering the 1802 as I have been told by some online dealers that the 1801 is already on clearance for about $310, while the price of the 1802 is only $360. TTK--I have not seen any *new* 2801s on ubid, and even on clearance online they are still outta my range. I've got my eyes open but I'd rather not wait too long. Doug--The 1801 and 1602 are very close in features I have found. The 1602 was boosted 5 watts per channel from the 1601, and so has only 5 WPC less than the 1801. The 1602 has only 1 optical input vs 2 for the 1801. And it has PLII while the 1801 does not. Those are the only differences I can find, but they seem to tilt the decision toward the 1602 or 1802. Unless online dealers substantially cut the price of the 1801 (which BTW they tell me they will not as I have called around) I just don't see buying it.

I am purchasing either a Denon 1801 on clearance or a 1602--my first HT receiver. I know you may or may not have first-hand knowledge of this, but comparing the two, which would be the better buy? On clearance the 1801 should be slightly cheaper than the 1602. Do you think the rather dramatic improvements you notice between the 3801 and 3802 also apply to the low-end models? Any advice or comparisons will be very helpful and appreciated.

Thanks, guys. I just purchased a two KG3.5s new at ubid for $79 each. Total with shipping came to $250. Still a great deal I think. I got the KSC-C1 for $89, coulda got it for $79 if I'd waited a little. Say, what kind of bass do the 3.5s put out? Can I get away with not buying a sub, at least temporarily? Thanks again.

I know this question has probably been asked, but once again... I purchased a KSC-C1 from ubid last week, and I'm looking at the KG3.5s for the mains. I will probably go with KSB1.1s for the rears as they are still fairly plentiful and cheap. What are your opinions on the use of the 3.5s in this setup? Does anyone out there own KG3.5s or have personal experience with a similar combination; if so how does it sound? Any advice is appreciated.

Yep, I picked up a KSC-C1 on ubid for $89, and I'm currently bidding on two KSB1.1s for the rears. For some reason KSB2.1s are extremely scarce on ubid/ebay. 3.1s are somewhat more common on ebay and the going rate is about $200/pr. I have not seen either 3.1s or 2.1s on ubid--only ebay. I have also not yet seen a Klipsch sub on ubid. Maybe I'll just call Vanns and offer them $200. Thanks.

I'm looking for two new pairs of these models to fill out my budget HT setup. KSB1.1s for rear surround and 2.1 or 3.1 for mains. Does anyone know a supplier that is still clearancing these models? I am watching ubid and ebay, but I'd prefer a regular (non-auction) purchase for obvious reasons. I've looked at Vanns, but the prices on their website seem high for discontinued Klipsch speakers. Suggestions appreciated.

...between the new Klipsch speakers vs their older counterparts, particularly the SB-2 vs the KSB2.1 , and the SC-1 vs KSC-C1? I am putting together a HT on a budget and the old models are cheaper. I just wanted to know what the difference in sound is. Thanks.

As in earlier posts, I'm putting together a HT system and I have some questions. The room is about 10x10, and the rear speakers have to be wall mounted. My use requirements are about 75% music, 25% HT. 1) Regarding the rears, I was considering going with 2 quintets for cost reasons. What is the benefit from switching to SS-1s? Can someone fill me in on this? 2)Same with the center, I'm looking at the SC-1. What is the benefit in going to the SC-5? 3)Furthermore, is there a large benefit in going from SB-1 mains to SB-2? To SB-3? Is there a concensus on the better choice between these? Thanks.

OK, so can someone tell me, in plain English, what the advantage is of the 1802 vs the 1801, and whether in your opinion it is worth the extra money/wait? Thanks, BrianM(newbie)

Hello all, I am currently looking to purchase a HT setup, as my 10-year old boombox just crapped out. I already have Klipsch 4.1s on my computer, so I have pretty much decided to stick with them for HT. I do have some questions for the knowledgeable posters in here, as I am at best a newbie. The room is about 10x12 with vaulted ceiling. My listening requirements are about 75% classical/classic rock music and 25% HT. And budget is a serious consideration. 1)Speaker set. I am considering going with 2)SB-2mains, 2)Quintet rears(B/C the rears essentially have to be wall mounted), SC-1, KSW-12. Is there a large benefit in going from SB-1s to SB-2s to SB3s? How will this setup be for music? Will the quintets suffice or will they be overwhelmed by the SBs in front? Suggestions/alterations? I frankly can't afford the "reference" models. 2)Budget receiver. I have narrowed the field somewhat. Choice 1) Denon 1801. Can someone comment on this model? Also the new 1802, what is its cost and features vs. the 1801? Worth holding out for? Choice 2) Yamaha, but there are so damn many models in the low-end price range, I don't know which one I should be looking at. Help? Also, can someone address the alleged "compatabality issue" between Yamaha and Klipsch? Have heard they don't compliment each other, is this true and should I even consider Yamaha? If there's another entry level receiver out there I should be looking at, please say so. 3)Budget DVD. The Toshiba 1600 has been recommended, any comments or other recommendations? Thanks for your help, BrianM

1) What is "pink noise" 2) Where do I get "pink noise" 3) How do I play it on a loop? Thanks.

They are a vast improvement over my previous computer speakers, not to mention the boom box which up till now was my "stereo system." Amazing what it feels like to have real bass! I listen to classical as well as classic rock, and the 4.1s perform well at both. Last night I'm sure I annoyed my neighbor by listening to Alexander Nevsky at 3am. But this morning came the creme-de-la-creme, Orff's Carmina Burana. You *must* listen to this on your Klipsches, if you haven't already. Beethoven's 9th sounded great, as well as Paint it Black and Mother's Little Helper. And my WWII flight sim proved to be a TOTALLY new experience. I was shocked at what improved audio did for the game environment. BTW, anyone have advice on how to break them in properly?

The sky appears blue due to refraction of light off the ozone portion of the atmosphere; ozone tends to absorb and scatter other wavelengths. The reasons I was thinking of putting it above the monitor are: 1) the floor is carpeted 2) the corner under the desk is somewhat restricted due to a file cabinet in the vicinity 3) Over the monitor there is plenty of space, plus I built a triangular shelf(31"x31") to fit the corner.

I am considering putting the sub over the monitor in the corner of the room(I have a corner desk). Exactly how far away does the sub need to be to not interfere with the monitor? What does Klipsch recommend? Thanks.

Coincidentally, I already have a nice set of aviation headphones. No **** ! So, they are also suitable for use on the computer?

I need advice on who makes headphones that are primarily good for music listening, but also have a mic? Any opinions on the Plantronics HS1 or Labtec? Those are the only two I found at the local Bestbuy/CompUSA.

Ordered from planetminidisc, cost is $299.95 total(free shipping). Should be here next Thursday. Yeeeehaaaawww!

They weren't on resellerratings.com, but bizrate gives them an 8.9/10. I guess that's good enough for me.

OK peeps, tomorrow morning I am going to order a 4.1 system from Planetminidisc. I guess the only question I have left is if anyone has done business with this company, and are they reliable? Thanks. BTW, they are $299 (free UPS shipping).