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What is the correct Logo for Heresy 1 - HBR - 1979 speakers?
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3 hours ago, vondy said:
I'm guessing not since these are MDF and it really doesn't change over the years like solid "real" wood. Just my guess though.
Weren't the older cabinets plywood, rather than MDF?
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15 hours ago, dtr20 said:
You should be able to find a pair of heresy speakers with all parts for $325, just check craigslist.
That's a close price if available in the area. E-Bay more like $450 + shipping ($130) or local pickup if in your area.
However, I decided if I was going to go ahead with this I may as well use new drivers and X-over as well, which drove the cost up.
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5 hours ago, moray james said:
if you were to build a Forte cabinet it has the identical footprint as a Heresy only taller with much deeper bass response. you don't have to use a passive you can use a reflex vent(s) to achieve the same sort of load. just a suggestion.
I have a pair of modified (Crites) Forte IIs, in a different system/location. I considered them but they are too tall, and I have a SubW in the system
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1 hour ago, dtel said:
Cool project, like you asked, is it sure would not hurt to put something around all the inside seams. I would guess they are fine but the tighter the cabinet is sealed the tighter the bass will be. It probably wouldn't hurt to also add a little thin layer of some type of sealant tape, kind of like weatherstriping between the cabinet and drivers.
What would be best for both of these jobs, I'm not sure to be honest, hopefully someone will have some real experience with this.
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1 hour ago, dtel said:
I was kind of wondering why so high myself ?
The Cabinets were $325 shipped and the drivers, X-overs, and risers from Crites were $1120 shipped
I decided to go with the upgraded drivers from Crites rather than look for a set of 40yr old drivers.Had i found a set of functioning speakers, I probably would have ripped into them and upgraded them anyway
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9 hours ago, dtel said:
I finally found the expected price of the IIIs.
At $1800@, I'd do the Crites upgrade and keep the IIs
It appears that selling a pair of IIs will only bring in between $500-$1,000. And that high end is probably high, reality is probably closer to $700. I'd go for the Crites upgrades rather than spending $3,000-$3600 for a marginal difference.
For a 1st time buy, though, I'd probably look to the IIIs, but then again I could pick up a pair of IIs for $500 and mod them and be up and running with a fantastic pair of speakers for under $1,000. Actually, I'm doing this with a pair of Heresy 1s
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I have decided to embark on a Heresy Restoration/Rebuild project, estimated cost to be ~$1500
I found a pair of Heresy I cabinets on e-bay, the condition and the finish looks good.Crites has all the needed drivers and X-Overs, along with the risers.
I used Crites for my Forte II (1989) modifications (X-over and tweeter diaphragms) and was very pleased with the results.
Is there anything else to consider? Do I need to seal the cabinet seams?
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On 1/5/2017 at 11:44 AM, istics said:
know the question is sell my modified forte ii's and get some iii's
Why? It is good to see them revived but will they be any better than a 30yr old Forte II. I also modified my Forte IIs and love the sound They have been going strong since 1989 and now that I've done the Tweeter Diaphragms and X-Overs (bi-wired) I look forward to passing them to my kids, they should be good for another 30yrs.
Then there is the question of the sonic benefits of aged wood, as a guitar, does the speaker's cabinet improve sonically as it ages?-
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First, I'll state that I've never used either but I'm a long time Forte II (now modified) since 1989 and I'm about to embark oI seriously doubt n a Heresy Project.
So my opinion will be general in nature.The amp has plenty of power for either, I seriously doubt you'll be using more than 5W to power either pair.
the Cornwall is twice the price and is a bigger cabinet. I would think it will have a better low end. But I'm not sure how noticeable it would be.
I think the decision comes down to wallet, room size, and ego. Whichever way you go the resulting sound should be fantastic.
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Tough choice.
If it were me, I'd replace the wife and keep the Forte IIs.
I have a pair from the '90s, bought new, and just did a biwire and update to x-over and drivers last year.
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I've been using my Forte II's as my Front mains in a 5.1 system since somewhere around 1990. I'm on my 3rd Yamaha receiver but still have the Fortes. Love them and if I play music it comes trhough one of the best speakers ever made. Last year I rebuilt them with Crites X-overs + Bi-wire (these were the firs X-overs he biwired) titanium tweeter's, and rebuilt woofers. I also had to rebuild my Klipsch Sub, used parts from Parts Express.
the system was great before and is now better than ever with the mods and upgrades. The Forte IIs will probably outlive me at this rate
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anyone know what speaker stands will work with these speakers?
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I picked up a pair of the RB 61s to use in a 2 channel system.
PAT-4 modified pre-amp, NAD power amp, Thorens TD-160C turntable
I have been very happy with the sound from these.
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I had the same HK combo. And I have a pair of Forte IIs I just modified. I purchased these new in the 80's
Depending on you issues the HK stuff might be worth fixing.
The HK870 power amp has been a pretty steady performer for me. my kid now uses it. The issues we had with it involved the POWER SWITCH. The final solution was to use an external power switch to power up and leave the amp on all the time. The switch is not replaceable and my service tech couldn't do any more for it. The switch is proprietary and they don't make a sub for it. The other most likelly issue would be the power supply, I've had no issues here, but I would think this area would lend itsself to easy repair.
The HK825 may be more problematical. Same issue with proprietary parts. When they're gone they're gone. My Phono switch went and I ended up selling mine on the bay for parts. My kid replaced it with a MAC C-26 that checked out OK.
Tuner and EQ are fine and dependable.
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I'll agree with Canyonman.
The Klipsch design works with all sources and styles of music. I have to attribute it to the Horns
I use my Forte IIs in a surround sound system and love the sound whatever the source material is.
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I'm using my Forte IIs as my Mains in a surround sound A/V system.
Yamaha RX-V 3800 Receiver.
I just swapped out the crossovers and Tweeter diaphragms for the Crite's replacements. I have the pics posted in another string on this forum. Very happy with the results
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That's exactly what I'm in the process of doing.
Kids went off to college and I'm sneaking a 2 channel system into my older sons room.
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By all means. You'll love it.
When my kid was 16 he wanted to listen to vinyl. we picked up an old thorens on e-bay, cleaned it up and did some mods and he just can't get enough of it
If you ever get to Rochester,NY you'll have to hit THE HOUSE OF GUITARS. They have all sorts of LPs on their lower level, new and old. Thousands of them!
BTW, you'll find the new vinyl is a much heavier guage than the stuff used back in the 60's and 70's.
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Remember to rebalance your speaer levels.
Does the 367 have the YPAO level system?
Once rebalanced you should enoy the improved sound
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I'm going a bit crazy of late. I've been upgrading and modding my old gear and discovering one project leads to another.
After reading some reviews I decided to upgrade my Klipsch Forte IIs. I purchased the them back in 1991 and was thinking of recapping them until I came across Bob Crites' web site. I decided to upgrade the crossovers and replace the Tweeter diapghrams w/ Crites Titanium diaphragms.
As part of the project, I decided to add a Bi-Wire option. Bob Crites was happy to go along with the idea. This was the first Bi-Wire Forte II he did.
The project went smoother than I expected and I'm very happy with the results. The speaker sounded good before the upgrade but I think they sound clearer and more open now.Removal of the Passive Radiator lets you access the Woofer and Mid Range speaker connectors.
Here's the Crites Crossover the Hi and Lo connections are at the opposite sides of the connector strip.
The old crossover is on the rear of the connector plate and removes easily
You have to remove the Tweeter to get to the connections anyway, so replacing the Tweeter diaphragm is a snap and takest about 10 minutes. here's a pic of the disassembled tweeter.
Here are the 2 diaphrams side by side, the old one on the left.
Finally, I added to new speaker connectors to the rear connector plate. There is plenty of room. I picked up some binding posts from Radio Shack (actually disassembled a rear panel they sell).
And the final connections.
Heresy Project - looking for advice
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I am planning on putting dynamat type damping material on the driver frames.
Should i do the same with the cabinet walls?
I also noticed some have done interior bracing, is there really a need?