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Tower as center? RC-62ii not matching well with RF-82 (iv)
thexad replied to thexad's topic in Home Theater
Tampa is a little far... (I'm in Canada) Well after mixing and moving around different speakers, I decided to pull the plug on the Rc-62ii and go for the RF-62 as my centre. WOW! what a difference! The tweeters are now matched across the front three. Vocals, and dialog move seamless across the front sound stage. Even trying speakers on 'Large' with the subwoofers off, the RF-62's keeps up with the RF-82's, and pack a sold punch. Unlike the lack of punch that was there with the RC-62ii. My Wife notices the difference and likes the new addition. Towers are definitely the way to go. If you can't do towers, at least have three identical bookshelves across the front. -
Tower as center? RC-62ii not matching well with RF-82 (iv)
thexad replied to thexad's topic in Home Theater
I Just got a reply from Klipsch about timbre matching the Rf-82 (iv) and the RC-62 (ii) series. They said that the (iv) and the (ii) series are not a timbre match. They where also saying that the RF-62 and RF-82's will be a timbre match. "It is still the 1” titanium tweeter, but there is a type of magnet used on the II. Different crossover points were used in the II’s as well, meaning the tweeter will play a bit lower than the previous models." Just so everyone knows, I'm not trying to bash the new RC-62ii so I think it is a great speaker. Just not the speaker for my application. I also don't think there is anything physically wrong with it or my amps/processor. I just think the reworking of the new 'ii' series has taken on a different sound, one that isn't the same as the older (iv) series. I would love to get a RC-64, but the shipping and hassle for getting one across the boarder is a pain. It was hard enough to find a RC-62ii that someone could get in. The cheapest I can find a RC-64ii for is $1300-1500, more then I am willing to spend. Also I would not want to spend that money on a RC-64ii, (although better than a 62ii) to have a 'different' sound to it aswell. I think my best option is a RF-62 (iv), as Klipsch suggested; "Yes, the RF-62 would timbre match the RF-82's you currently have." I also think that it being a tower, I may loose a small amount of wide angle sound in comparison to a tweeter from a center? Although the impact of a tower I think would be harder to beat with its lower extention 38hz vs 57hz. I tend to like a lower crossover when it comes to a center channel anyway. -
Tower as center? RC-62ii not matching well with RF-82 (iv)
thexad replied to thexad's topic in Home Theater
The centre is out in the open, on a stand, under the screen. I have played around with levelling , audyssey eq w/mic, and a SPL meter. I still can't get it matched right.. It still sounds off... The x-over is set to 60hz or 80hz, and set to small... (i have tried large) but still nothing close to the others. I have tried multiple sources/ media. (the Bi-amp feature of the older models was a nice touch, its just a peeve to take a feature away on a newer model). I was at the local store today and tried doing a/b comparisons with RF-82 and 62's. I only noticed a little less lower end bass with the 62's, but everything else sounded really close. I think I'll end up going with the RF-62 as a centre channel, unless there are any huge reasons not to switch. -
Grills on the speakers and subwoofer recommendation
thexad replied to Kenshiro's topic in Home Theater
As far as the grills go, for me, they stay on 99% of the time. The only time I take them off is to show them to someone... I keep them on to keep the tweeters clean. As far as subwoofers go, I would say, the RW-10 should do you good. -
I'm looking to upgrade my center, I have an RC-62ii and I find that it doesnt match very well with the RF-82's (iv). I find that the 62ii was a little bit of an upgrade from the RC-52(iv). The dialog was a bit better, but the RC-62ii still felt like it was missing the clearity (or maybe harness) that the older models had. For glass breaking or any higher pitched sounds, the RC-62ii is very soft (too soft). Then for the lower frequencies it feels like it is hollow (no punch to it), that was the reason for upgrading from the RC-52 to begin with. The only way I found that the RC-62ii would keep up to the RF-82/RB-5ii was if the RC-62ii had my RF-52s added to the main channel for that extra kick (also a side note, the RC-62ii doesnt have the biamp capabillity .sadface. ) So my options are: (limited due to budget so RC-64ii is out of the question (also don't want the softness of the 'ii' series) 1. Add a second center channel in addition to the RC-62ii (older models RC-35/3/ii). (comb filtering issues?) 2. Change out or add a RF-62 (iv) as center - Cheapest option $299 new (do they have the same tweeter as the RF82?) 3. Add a Center RF-82(iv) Most expensive/ hard to find (issue of the TV/projector screen being mounted too high, 8' ceiling and no room to build a false wall with a AT screen) Here is my setup: RF-82s-Fronts RB-5iis- Heights/2nd Fronts RS-3iis-Surrounds RF-15s-Surrounds RF-52s-Rears RSW-10 and Sub-12 for sub duty. Powered by: Rotel 990bx 200w (front) Adcom GFA-5006 (175w for Center) (50w RS-3iis and 50w for RF-15) Adcom GFA-545 (100w for RF-52s) with Marantz 5004 as the preamp.
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I took the bolt sent by klipsch to home depot and matched it up with a 1"x 1/4" (i think) carriage/ rounded top type bolt to 'plug' the hole.
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Just a follow up on this.... It is turning out to be port noise / rattle from the 'toe' up and down bolt holes. after plugging the bolts holes, no more rattling.
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Just wondering if anyone else has this issue with the RC-62 ii. It seems if I am listening to multi channel music with low 'ish' bass, it rattles (ie. Gorillaz - Stylo). If I slightly put my finger on the rubber surround, while its playing it stops the rattle. I have only had the center for a few months ~ 20 hours on it. Its being powered by a Marantz SR5004, and volumes are kept under 90-95db at the speaker. (also crossover is set at 80hz and small). The other issue I have is that the center does not seem to keep up or really match my RF-82's (seems like there is a blanket over the speaker), and didnt' seem like any upgrade from a RC-52. Any suggestions or ideas before I attempt warranty? (shipping is expensive from Canada) Thanks
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I have a few question in regards to my setup. A little about my HT system. RF-82s/RC-62/RF-15s/S-2s/RB-51s/RSW-10, crossover at 60-80hz, all in a 16x14x8 room. I listen to 70/30% music/movies. Right now I am finding my Marantz SR5004 (90w x 7) doesn't have enough jam when listening to 2 channel music. I usually have the mains set to large as I don't usually like to listen to music with a sub on(could also be that my sub is in the rear right corner, unless I can build my sub under my center channel stand. Also I am finding in movies, that the RC-62 sounds like it is missing 'life' with vocals at reference volume and the rears RF-15s are not getting much for bass. I have played around with my old SR6002 (100w) avr to power my RF-82s and S-2's to take some of the load off of the SR5004, though I am finding is making not too much difference for 2 channel, but a little more so in 7.1. I am currently building thin (1") acoustic panels and have already placed heavy curtains behind my listening position. My budget ($400-600) allows me to add either a UPA-2 or XPA-3 (if used) due to high shipping costs and boarder fees (Canada). I am concerned about over powering the RF-82s with a XPA (at loud volumes), and not much difference with the UPA (125w) over my Marantz (90/100w all channels) and only being 2 channel.I have also read the the UPA my not due well to impedance dips also? I would like to eliminate the dual avr setup I have right now. Ideas? Thank you.
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I auditioned the RF-62, RF-82, and the F-20's a while ago at London Drug's sound room. For my ears it sounded like the F-20's had more of a softer sound to them. My wife and I prefered the sound (and looks) of the Reference, though we didn't want to spend anymore then 'needed'. We then compared the RF-62 to the RF-82, . The RF's felt more alive and crisp (all powered by H/K's AVR-3600). The F-20/30's are still a really great speaker. In the end I would have probably ended up going with the Senergy series for cost, if the RF-82's didn't later go on sale for cheaper then the RF-62's. []
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With the ports on the RB-51, you don't want them too close to the wall, I didn't have much choice when using them for my rears. I went to the hardware store and made a shelf to put them on. I used 3/4" mdf and two 5" "L" brackets secured by carriage bolts. I made the shelf big enough that I can toe them in. Depending on your budget, you may want to consider RB-61/81 for the front ports. Chad
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I'll have to keep my eye out for a good price on a RC-64, the shipping is going to be a pain though, should be worth it then. Thanks guys! Any reputable place to buy used? I did also find a few RC-7's for cheaper than a RC-62? Would a RC-7 be ok with the RF-82?
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Is the 64 too much for the 82's? I dont want to overpower the Mains. Anyone wanting to send a 64 to Canada for $600?
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Little history for you.... Fell in love with my ProMedia 4.1, I got a couple years back, and decided I would use them for my start of a HT setup. I recently went out and wanted a bought a RC-52 to do the center work. I was then quickly wanting more, A week later I picked up a pair of RB-51's for the L/R. A week after that the local London Drugs had a massive clearout of Klipsch stock. I picked up a set of S2 for surrounds. The next day I found a RSW-10 for a great deal. Two weeks later I grabbed a set of RF-82's for 70% off, and moved the RB-51's to rear duty. There are still two ProMedia's used as heights on occasion, and this is how its been for the last three months... The issue i have found and seems to be the same for most people with RF-82's and a RC-52, is the center can't keep up. I feel like there is a blanket or pillow over the center channel when watching movies, and it distracts me from being able to enjoy the movie. I have finally been able to convince my wife to let me upgrade the center. I have been looking at the RC-3/62/64, but I do have a very limited budget. I do not want to have to spend the price of a new RC-62 ($550 shipped) if i don't have to. I guess my budget is $600 max. I am unable to audition any of them without ordering them in, and paying high restocking fees, and would have to drive about 500mi to do so. So i am going to have to go strictly by peoples experiences with them. Chad