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This is more of a test to see if I can include the picture in the post.
Sorry about the qualitiy, but using a borrowed camera and just can't get the pictures to come out right. Either too dark or too bright etc.
These are the K-horns that had major woofer damage due to being stored in a garage for a year and have since replaced them with new ones from Bob (BEC)
They will need some sprucing up but due to the woofer replacements, that will have to come later.
JJ
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----------------On 2/25/2005 7:08:04 PM Coytee wrote:I've never seen them discussed. Any listing of them?Example021491486021491496171490334166497203 (unit on ebay now)I presume some refer to finsh (149?) and another set is year & unit number??----------------
I believe that the dates are as follows
021491486---- 21st day of 1994
021491496---- 21st day of 1994
171490334---- 171st day of 1994
166497203---- 166th day of 1994
Please correct me if I'm wrong!!
JJ
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Hi Thump:
I wish to thank all of you, esp. Bob (BEC), that helped me getting these K-Horns working.
The woofers were basically trashed. If I wasn't such a chicken and would have taken out the woofers, like Ricktate (sp?)mentioned, I could have saved you guys some grief trying to figure out the problem. I ended up replacing them with new woofers that I got from Bob.
I sure did learn a lot, and I thank you, again, for that.
I'll be posting some pictures with-in the next hour or two. (I finally cleaned up the room to make it some what presentable)
As for the K-Horns themselves, they may not look the greatest, but I just close my eyes and listen to the amazing sound.
Bob: I have donated the old woofers to my old High School's Science Dept., for the instructor wants to incorporate Audio physics, etc to his lesson plan. I hope that this is OK because I also wanted to help you as well in your future plans of reconning woofers.
I just can't seem to say thank you enough, so you are going to hear it again..
Thank you all for your help with this adventure and also in advance for the adventures to come!!
JJ
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I now have the luxury of testing, demoing most of the speakers that others have mentioned as their choice of the "Best Rock & Roll Speakers".
In my case I have a pair of K-Horns, 3 Cornwalls, and a pair of KLF-30's, with KLF C-7 center.
IMHO, the Klf-30's are by far my speaker of choice for R & R.
But, I'll be the first one to admit, that my listening room isn't even close to being ideal for the K-Horns and Cornwalls. The room is 14 X 23 and the room layout doesn't permit me to place the K-Horns or the Cornwalls on a long wall.
They all sound excellent for R & R, but as someone else has mentioned, you can plop the KLF 30's just about anywhere and you are going to be in the so called proverbial R & R heaven.
As for other music genre's, the jury is still out, except for my Bagpipe music collection. The K-horns by far are the best and they sound so good, that I almost wanted to don a kilt, call MyHamish, and go Braveheart on something.
JJ
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----------------On 2/9/2005 12:16:25 AM DeanG wrote:If you don't have a meter you can use a C or D sized battery. Just tape a lead to each end of the batter and touch them to the woofer tabs (one on +, the other on - ). If the woofer doesn't push out, or pull back -- the voice coil is open. Do NOT use a 9 volt battery.----------------
DeanG:
I did this test last night, using a "C" battery, neither woofer moved.
To double check my new HI-Tech testing gadget, I was able to get the woofer to push out and pull back on my test Cornwall.
So, this solves one mystery.
What are my options?
Thanks again, guys, for all the great advice and moral support you have given me through out this ordeal.
JJ
EDITED: Bob sells diaphrams, not voice coils. Sorry for my mistake
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----------------On 2/10/2005 8:18:13 AM Daddy Dee wrote:Gil,That is one kind offer. You represent the good will of the forum well.----------------
Dandy Dee:
I agree and here's a portion of my e-mail to Gil:
"I just love this forum and what people do for each other here. I've been a
member of this form since 2001, but even though I don't post much, I read it
everyday and gain great wisdom."
I will keep you posted on my adventure. I'm still in denial that the woofers bad, but will have to come to grips if in fact they are bad, sooner or later.
Rick: I'll try your suggestion once I can find someone to do the soldering for me. I'm very sloppy at it and this will require some precision.
Thanks again, ALL, for your continued support in this very unfortunate adventure.
JJ
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Let me say Thanks again for all your input/advice.
I have obtained an OHM meter and did some testing. (FYI the unit is a BK Precision model #2945 made by the Dynascan Corp.) I set the meter to 2K and did some quick testing at lunch.
It got a reading of between .0003 and .0004 at the following points on one of the speaker:
1. Directly at the woofer(on the tabs, solder joints, etc)..This should answer your Q DeanG
2. Inside the hatch where the leads attach to the inside door.
3. Outside on the binding post.
4. and lastly at locations 3 & 4 on the x-over.
Speaker 2 I got readings a little higher (.0004-.0005) at the same locations mentioned above. But everyonce in awhile I could here static through either the mid range or the tweeter while doing the testing.
Since I didn't encounter this on the other speaker, I decided to swap the wire from speaker 1 and put it on speaker 2. Hmmm. now I get no readings, deader than a door nail on speaker 2.
Okay?? So I take off the wire on speaker 2 and reinstall it on speaker 1 and now I get no reading here as well.
Now on to something even more weird about this whole fiasco. The only wire that would work (when it did work) was some flat-low profile braided Mon@#er 10ga wire crap that came with the speakers.
So I ask you this, what type of wire should I be using from the X-over to the bass bin? 14ga Carol wire surely didn't work wether is was bare wire of using crimped on spade connectors.
DeanG: I also tried connecting the amp directly to woofer, but no bass output. Dead silence. I haven't tried your battery trick but will try that as well.
I do have one other test I can do, but I want to do this as a last resort and that is to canniblize my Single Cornwall that I got last month. It just happends to be from the same year as the K-Horns, and I know that this one works.
GRRRR!! It's not looking good for the home team.
Thanks again for you time and guidence, it is very much appreciated.
JJ
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Bob/Thump: Thanks for your responses.
Bob: I haven't heard these work, just took the person's word for it. There's one born every minute, right?
I will have access to an OHM meter tomorrow and I post the results.
Thump: I did run the speaker wires from the amp to the posts on the woofer door and left the lead disconnected to the crossover. Is this what you meant by by-passing the X over?
Thanks again guys.
JJ
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Hi:
I'm getting no bass from either speaker, but I'm getting sound out of the tweeters and the midranges. Granted they sound tinney, but there is sound.
Here is what I have done so far to track down where the problem lies.
1. Check all the solder connections on all the drivers, including the woofer inside the 20X20 door/hatch. They all look good and clean.
2. Tightend all the connections on the X overs.
3. Tried numerous ways of connecting speaker wires (soldered, bare, crimped)
4. Cheched to make sure everything is wired in phase
Still no bass.
This is my first go around with K-horns, so hopefully it as easy as me not hooking them up correctly.
Here's how I'm connecting the speakers from my amp source(Denon 3801, for now)
From the amp, I'm connecting the speaker wire to posts' 1 & 2 (AA Crossover)
From the cross-over posts' 3 & 4, I have speaker wire running to the screw type binding post on the 20X20 hatch.
Thank you in advance for your help.
JJ
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Thump:
The center channel was a KV-3, I was kinda hopin' that it was an Academy.
The rest of the speakers were in pretty tough shape, esp. the Cornwall II's.
They are no where close to his asking price of $800.00 as well as the other speakers.
I didn't view the Carver/Adcom stuff.
The guy selling all this stuff has seen his share of hard luck/times and you could tell that he was really sad to have to sell all his Klipsch speakers.
JJ
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Well, I'm a proud owner of a set of K-Horns mentioned above.
Thank You for the heads up, Thumplestiltskin!!!
They aren't in the best of shape, no major corner dings, the grills are in pretty good shape but there is some major chipping on one speaker where the top unit rests.
The guy was selling them as 1983's in Oak finish but they turned out to be:
KB-WO Serial #'s 12S335 & 12S336
They will need to be re-done eventually, but for right now, they are tolerable.
Now all I need is some corners and something decent to drive them with.
JJ
P.S. I'll post some pictures when I get them out of the kitchen.
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On my way now to check them out.
We'll see what happends.
JJ
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Where did you see this ad?
I'm not too far away to take a peak at them.
JJ
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I totally agree with you, Mike. I've owned my 16-46 for 4 years and I also by-pass the sub with some music, EXCEPT, when it comes to some great Pipe Organ recordings.
I haven't heard a sub that matches the SVS when it comes to this type of music, IMHO.
But in all fairness, I haven't had the pleasure to listen to the RSW series.
JJ
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You may want to look into a program called ACT!. It's put out by a company called Best Software.
It's very flexible and has many options to choose from when it comes to sharing the database.
JJ
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I believe that they are 68's.
http://home.earthlink.net/~ivol/klipsch_cornwall/klipsch_date_codes.htm
I don't know who to give credit, but I use this site alot to help in dating speakers.
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----------------On 1/10/2005 3:34:41 PM Champagne taste beer budget wrote:Where abouts in MN are you? I'm about 30 miles east of Brainerd.----------------
Wouldn't that put in the middle of Mille Lacs Lake, Champagne?
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Good one Fini....
I'll have to start hanging out in the General Discussion forum to get my post count up.
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Thank You for the heads up.
I would have missed it!!!!!
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Just put a couple of fake knobs and say its one of those fancy Sharper Image ambient noise thingys.....
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=32861&item=5717703433&rd=1
Sorry!!! Very poor use of cut and paste
Just asking because the Serial #'s look sort of fishy compared to my RF-3 system and also my KLF-30's.
Thanks
JJ
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Obsidian:
The Audio King Stores, as I understand it, are Authorized Dealers but under their parent company, Ultimate Electronics.
I'm sorry to hear that you have had bad experience with Audio King. I have had nothing but great service at their Roseville location but you sure have to haggle alot to get them to come down in price.
Jon
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Here is a picture of the HT Front.
JJ