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Pro tubes
Even order harmonics
Clip gently
Less components touching the signal
Easy to roll tubes for new sound
Solid State
Stable system
Spec out better than tubes on bench
If it works for 30 days it should run trouble free for years, if quality components and mfg
Go solid state and get an equalizer, lots of old ones for sale on e-bay
or one of the newer digital ones from DBX or other.
Which speakers are you running and what is your budget ?
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Much less flattering Volker article, laid the foundations for the nowLewRockwell.com ANTI-STATE•ANTI-WAR•PRO-MARKET
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Mr. Volcker certainly deserves credit for curbing the Great Inflation of the 1970s. However, he also merits a lion’s share of the blame for unleashing the Great Inflation on the US and the world economy in the first place. For it was Mr. Volcker who masterminded the program that President Nixon announced on August 15, 1971, which unilaterally suspended gold convertibility of US dollars held by foreign governments and central banks, imposed a fascist wage-price freeze on the US economy, and slapped a 10 percent surcharge on foreign imports.1
Tragically, by severing the last link between the dollar and gold, Volcker’s program scuttled the last chance of restoring a genuine gold standard.
More than two years before Nixon slammed down the “gold window,” Volcker, the recently appointed undersecretary of the treasury for monetary affairs, gave an oral presentation to Nixon and his closest advisors on US balance-of-payments problems. The presentation was based on a memo that the secret “Volcker group,” initiated by Henry Kissinger, spent five months preparing.
Among other things, Volcker recommended a continuation of capital controls to prop up the inflated dollar’s overvalued exchange rate and a massive appreciation or “revaluation” of the currencies of less inflationary countries such as West Germany, placing the burden of adjustment to unrestrained US inflation on these countries.
Volcker then planted the time bomb that would eventually detonate and seal the fate of the gold standard. He suggested to Nixon that if these measures did not work to sustain the pseudo–gold standard of the Bretton Woods System, a run on the US gold stock could only be avoided by unilaterally repudiating the postwar US pledge to convert foreign official dollar holdings into gold.
Unfortunately, the Volcker Group report summarily dismissed the alternative of raising — possibly doubling — the dollar price of gold, i.e., “devaluing the dollar,” which would have increased the value of the US gold stock and facilitated the restoration of a genuine gold standard.
Only a real gold standard could have halted and reversed the slow-motion collapse that the international monetary system had been undergoing since the mid-1960s due to large and persistent US payments deficits driven by profligate dollar creation.2
Volcker, however, hated and wanted to get rid of the last vestiges of the gold standard and replace it with a fixed exchange-rate system dominated by the US fiat dollar to further enhance the power and prestige of the US in international affairs. According to Volcker, “the stability and strength of our currency was important to sustaining the broad role of the United States in the world.” Years later, Volcker revealed, “I have never been able to shake the feeling that a strong currency is generally a good thing, and that it is typically a sign of vigor and strength and competitiveness.”3 One of his biographers intimated that Volcker’s longstanding regret at having been rejected for military service during World War II because of his height was at the root of his single-minded determination to maintain “the supremacy of the American dollar as the world’s premier currency.”4
Indeed, Volcker struggled mightily to make the dollar appear strong, even while rampant money printing to finance Great Society welfare programs and the Vietnam War inexorably weakened it.
But Volcker bitterly opposed raising the price of gold, because he feared that open devaluation of the inflated dollar would not only diminish the status and reputation of the US, but also reward people and countries he detested, namely, speculators in gold and gold-producing countries such as the Soviet Union and South Africa.
(Degualle Punked the US )
He especially loathed and wanted to punish President Charles de Gaulle and the French for embarrassing and discrediting the US by withdrawing from NATO and exposing the weakness of the dollar by insisting on converting their dollars into gold in the face of US threats to remove military protection against the Soviet Union. (To add insult to injury, de Gaulle had sent naval ships to retrieve French gold.) ..................
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2019/12/joseph-salerno/paul-volcker-the-man-who-vanquished-gold/
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Paul Volcker Was Inflation’s Worst Enemy
As Fed chairman, he shored up the dollar and set the stage for decades of economic growth.
By John B. Taylor Dec. 9, 2019 7:26 pm ET
US abandons Breton Woods Agreement
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QuoteVolcker was at the August 1971 Camp David meeting where President Nixon decided to impose wage and price controls and abandon the international monetary system by closing the gold window.
US Abandons Gold Standard for Trade
QuoteCountries would allow the value of their exchange rates to depreciate when they had a trade deficit and let their exchange rates rise when they had a surplus......................
Soviet Style Controls on wages and prices lead to Soviet results
QuoteThe job Mr. Carter gave Volcker in the late 1970s was even more important and more difficult. The wage and price controls imposed in 1971 had led to an inflationary monetary policy at the central bank under Chairman Arthur Burns. Inflation and unemployment skyrocketed and economic growth fell. .........................
Decoupled from Gold, it won't take long until printing solves all problems instead of tough choices, inflation by printing is a tax on savings.QuoteWith his emphasis on the money supply, Volcker could say that it was the market that determined the interest rate, and thus he could allow the interest rate to go higher, which he did. The federal-funds rate reached 20% in 1981.
20% interest rates sucked the credit out of the economy, slowing asset and wage inflation
Quote..................... Inflation fell dramatically and created conditions for a quarter-century of strong economic growth. His successor at the Fed, Alan Greenspan, maintained Volcker’s focus on keeping inflation low.
Wall street creates their own money from nothing to speculate
We see this with the apparent naked shorting in the Game Stop and other shorts
QuoteHe weighed in on the causes of the global financial crisis, arguing for higher capital requirements and for what would be called the “Volcker rule” to curtail proprietary trading.
Works great for the insiders that get the zero bucks
Quote“While zero interest rates may be necessary at the moment, they lead to some dangerous possibilities in terms of breeding more speculative excesses,”
Interest rates rise above zero, exponential growth of debt takes overUS was paying $400 Billion yr to the private owners of the FED when Trump took office, this is why he beat the FED down to zero interest rates on money they create out of thin air to buy treasuries.QuoteThe American economy still needs change. Despite tax and regulatory reforms, the federal deficit remains large and the federal debt is rising. The answers are as simple as they were in Volcker’s time: Get back to sound and predictable budget policy. Paul Volcker’s career shows the way. Good economics leads to good policy, which leads to good results.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/paul-volcker-was-inflations-worst-enemy-11575937617
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7 hours ago, Coytee said:
I was told (informed??) many many years ago that a market maker in a stock can short an unlimited number of shares, as long as it's reflected on their books as a liability. I don't know this to be true or not.....but it does make sense to me. Note that this applies only to market makers, not traders, hedge funds nor you & me.
The closest I ever traveled into the inside of the gearbox in Manhattan aka Wall Street, was briefing analysts, and selling lots and lots of high speed communications equipment to every kind of company on Wall Street. When they put in new regs and sarbox etc, it changes the rules and structure.
Something like 30% of all US communication infrastructure was in Manhattan at the time pre 9-11, the WTC was full of analysts and everything else market related, and lots of global trade companies, we had friends with companies located in the WTC.
Since 9-11 everything is mirrored off site, multiple back up sites, lots of fiber everywhere makes Manhattan less strategic, it's being on a fiber or direct microwave link to an access node on a fiber trunk. With the lock-down nonsense, everyone is working from home and or mirror and back-up sites, Manhattan may never recover.
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22 hours ago, BigStewMan said:
an internet search shows that mortgage interest rate in 1980 was 18.45% -- that's insane. honestly, I wasn't the slightest bit concerned with interest rate or the stock market or CD yields back then; but who could have afforded to finance a home back then? it must have been a buyer's market big time.
Article could have been written this morning
Paul Volcker: Gold Was the Enemy
Former Fed chairman talks about the Fed and goldNEW YORK—Paul Volcker is a living financial legend. As a chairman of the Federal Reserve in the early ′80s, he was singlehandedly responsible for quashing stagflation by raising interest rates to an unheard of 20 percent by June 1981.
What ensued was an unprecedented economic expansion and bull market in stocks, which was only seriously stopped by the Internet bust in 1999, caused by the lax monetary policy of Volcker’s successor Alan Greenspan.
...........................................Indeed, the end of Carter’s term in 1981 saw the peak of inflation at a mind-boggling 13.5 percent, but it didn’t come down soon enough get him re-elected.
..................................................“[Reagan] had all these Republican advisers who were all against the Federal Reserve and I was the only person to defend the Federal Reserve. At the end, President Reagan, to the best of my knowledge never publicly said anything bad against the Federal Reserve and our policies,” Volcker said.
Volcker also argued that the Fed and the White House should keep an appropriate distance for the Fed to remain independent of politics.
..................................................Gold, the Enemy
When it comes to a hot topic of today’s investment world, Mr. Volcker always had a very strong view on gold.
“Gold was the enemy to me because that was a speculative vehicle while I was trying to hold the system together. [The speculators] were on the other side.”
Then and now, the gold price is viewed as the inverse price of the confidence in the system. If gold is high, it usually means something is amiss. In Volcker’s time, the high inflation and budget deficits of the 70s propelled gold from a low of $35 before 1970 to a high of $668 in 1980.
After Volcker got inflation under control and Reagan’s policies ushered in a period of economic growth, gold went down to a low of $260 in the early 2000s.
Gold was the enemy to me.— Paul Volcker, former chairman, Federal ReserveIn recent times, inflation as well as an exponential rise in private and government debt across the world, as well as different financial crises boosted gold to a high of $1,826 in 2011.
Gold supporters like Ron Paul have also advocated the auditing of the Federal Reserve, because they want to know exactly how much gold lies in Fort Knox. Volcker thinks they are mistaken because it’s not the Fed who actually controls the gold.
“The Treasury holds the gold, not the Federal Reserve. The Treasury issues a gold certificate to the Fed. The paper gold is on deposit at the Federal Reserve. It belongs to the United States. If you say: ‘We want an audit of the gold stock, we want to go to Fort Knox and count the gold bars.’ That was a popular idea at that time, but the Treasury never did it. For all we know the bars don’t exist,” he said with a smirk.
Having raised interest rates to a higher level than any other Fed chairman, he was coy about the current Fed’s opportunity to raise rates.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/paul-volcker-gold-was-the-enemy_1299447.html
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Any McIntosh with 20 watts or more will drive your speakers.
Just read the reviews on any model you are interested in, esp if buying used
Damping greater than 20 if direct radiators, which your woofers are.
Less than 20 bass will be less accurate.
Mac has capacitor coupled which are lighter by 30-75 lbs, or transformer coupled
which are very heavy, but old school McIntosh.
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https://www.crutchfield.com/S-8WL6lPqxUPZ/p_958MAC6700/McIntosh-MAC6700.html
McIntosh MAC6700 - Output terminals feature 3 different taps for matching the impedance of your speakers
A no-compromise stereo receiverAbout the McIntosh MAC6700
I used to have a sniffy attitude toward receivers. To me, they were a compromise product for the kind of listener who wouldn't or couldn't be bothered with the superior sound of separate components. But as I looked into the details of the MAC6700 stereo receiver, my attitude took a serious hit. That's because McIntosh has clearly designed this beast of a receiver to deliver performance every bit as stunning as their separate amps, preamps, and tuners, only with the convenience of a single chassis. And they provided all the inputs needed for music lovers to enjoy their favorite analog and digital sources.Product highlights:
- 200 watts x 2 channels into 2, 4, or 8 ohms
- total harmonic distortion: 0.005% at 20-20,000 Hz
- frequency response: 10-100,000 Hz (+0, -3dB)
- signal-to-noise ratio: 95dB (line level), 84dB (phono MM) 82dB (phono MC), 113dB (power amp)
- wide-band damping factor: greater than 40
- built-in McIntosh Digital Engine up-sampling DAC for decoding digital audio sources
- AM/FM tuner with 20 presets per radio band
- built-in High Drive headphone amplifier
- large power transformer with multiple filter capacitors and regulated power supply ensures stable, noise-free operation
- patented McIntosh output Autoformers ensure every connected speaker receives full power regardless of its impedance
- patented McIntosh Power Guard circuit prevents amplifier clipping to protect speakers
- Sentry Monitor and Thermal Protection circuits provide long amplifier operating life and protection against overheating
- Home Theater Pass Through mode allows receiver's amplifier to become part of a multichannel sound system
- fiber optic illuminated glass front panel for a beautiful appearance and long-term durability
- adjustable front-panel display brightness settings
- illuminated power meters (with illumination on/off settings)
- handcrafted at McIntosh's Binghamton, New York factory
Inputs:
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USB (Type input for connection to a computer
- supported bit depth and sample rates: up to 32-bit/192kHz
- dedicated McIntosh USB audio driver required for playback on a Windows® PC
- (free USB driver download available from McIntosh's website)
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1 optical and 1 coaxial digital audio input
- supported bit depth and sample rates: up to 32-bit/96kHz
- 1 set of balanced stereo XLR inputs
- 5 stereo RCA audio inputs
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separate RCA phono inputs for moving magnet (MM) and moving coil (MC) cartridges
- adjustable input impedance loading for optimum sonic performance with a range of MC cartridges (50-, 100-, 200-, 400-, and 1000-ohm settings)
- IR input for connecting an IR receiver
Outputs:
- custom McIntosh gold-plated binding-post speaker connectors with 2-ohm, 4-ohm, and 8-ohm output taps to match speaker impedance
- full-size headphone output (20-600 ohms recommended impedance)
- RCA preamp out/power amp input jacks
Other Info and Specs:
- asynchronous USB technology for reduced timing jitter and better sound
- bass and treble controls with tone control circuitry bypass settings for each individual input source
- Power Control output provides convenient turn-on/off of McIntosh source components
- 6 Data Ports provide remote control of connected McIntosh source components
- RS232-C connector for connection to a computer or other control device
- remote
- 17-1/2"W x 7-5/8"H x 22"D
- weight: 76 lbs.
- If connecting to a TV, please make sure you can select "PCM" output in your TV's audio menu. The built-in DAC cannot decode multi-channel Dolby® Digital signals.
- warranty: 3 years
- Our 60-day money-back guarantee
- MFR # MAC6700
What's in the box:
McIntosh MAC6700 owner's manual
- Stereo receiver
- 6' AC power cord
- Remote control
- AM antenna
- 15' Antenna cable
- Owner's Manual
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4 minutes ago, Jeff Matthews said:
You wouldn't know that by the record sales these days.
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9 minutes ago, Jeff Matthews said:
It's interesting how times have changed. CD's don't provide squat, but that's because the Fed has made home-buying more affordable by reducing rates to rock-bottom.
Houses are less affordable
so is everything else
they are trying to keep the all of the bubbles inflated
so they keep blowing them bigger and bigger
College Loan bubble is now $1.5 T
Junk auto loans are approx $500B if memory serves me correctly
and US just ran a $3 Trillion deficit for the year
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10 minutes ago, richieb said:
My first wife and I bought a home during this period, the early 80’s. And yes, CD’s paying 17% sounds great but the flip side was mortgage rates of the same, 16-18%. Our county issued bonds for first time home buyers with a max purchase price of $68.5K. Mortgage rate was 12.5. We thought we had won the lottery-
Yes but, the price of the same house was 10-20% of what it is today
Lower interest rate, higher priced house
1980s Median Home was 3x Median yearly income, since 2000 it's 6x median income
Now that's what I call inflation 100%
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16 minutes ago, Coytee said:
A prudent short might be to short "ABC" and then to purchase a protective call so that if something outlandish (like this) happens, you're just damaged not disemboweled.
Too late
Naked Shorting
By James ChenUpdated Jan 28, 2021What Is Naked Shorting
Naked shorting is the illegal practice of short selling shares that have not been affirmatively determined to exist. Ordinarily, traders must borrow a stock, or determine that it can be borrowed, before they sell it short. So naked shorting refers to short pressure on a stock that may be larger than the tradable shares in the market. Despite being made illegal after the 2008–09 financial crisis, naked shorting continues to happen because of loopholes in rules and discrepancies between paper and electronic trading systems.
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On 1/27/2021 at 8:11 AM, Rod Sheridan said:
I have an R90/6 BMW that I joke about, saying that aside from the brakes, chassis, gearbox, clutch, electrical system and suspension, it's a great bike. That also is true, on any measurable metric the R90/6 falls short, except for one, the shear pleasure of riding it. That's why out of the bikes in the garage it is the one with 500,000 Km on it.
There are many things we really like even though they may not be the absolute best, good thing too as otherwise Diann would replace me with a more up to date model 🙂
Had the same thought
Years ago one of the bike magazines evaluated Superbikes, pro riders 8 or 10 of them
Like 10 different measurement criteria, Japanese bike may have been the top 5
Last question for thr Riders: Which Bike do you want to take home?
Every Rider responded Ducati F1 which finished 6th in criteria.
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If you want to spend on something that sounds good
suggest Francophone girlfriends
I prefer the Quebec Models
but was very satisfied with the ones in or from France......
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2 hours ago, dirtmudd said:
it's all rigged
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2 hours ago, Coytee said:
I got a chuckle when I heard the hedge fund guys were having it stuck to them.
Shorts may require hospitalization for severe rectal bleeding in Feb, few should survive without Bailouts.
From what I read on ZH
The bomb drops Feb 18-19 when everything comes due
There is no limit to the losses on a short
Could go N of $10 billion in losses
Speculation is the puncture in the Market balloon could be enough to crash the balloon
Tesla with flaming products valued at $ 2 Trillion is a good one etc
All propped up with ZERP zero interest rates forcing people into the stock market for any return.
All stocked up on lead, tuna, and rice waiting for the big one......
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14 minutes ago, Maximus89 said:
Are they that big of a jump compared to their non autoformer amps? I use an MC7106 bridged to 320wpc, but curious what kind of leap i'd make to a traditional mac amp with the autoformer and if even lower 150-200wpc would sound fuller and more authoritative than the non autoformer mac amps bridged to more wpc.
The leap is about 50-75 pounds
Cap or autoformers both there to block DC from cooking your speakers
Frequency sweeps would most likely show the same levels of accuracy
If you want to color the sound, tubes create more even order harmonics if implemented properly
brain likes even order
El Paso Tube amps repair guy has or had lots of good videos, don;t know if YT censored him for some nonsense, haven't seen his post in a while. He is in El Paso
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12 minutes ago, Little Wolf said:
KLF30, for example...
Do I need a lot of watts or MA5200's 100 watts are enough?
Is it only a question of watts?
What are the specs on the speakers ?
Klipsch Heritage Line, which is most of the posters on here, are highly efficient
LaScala
1/100 watt is loud normal listening
1/2 watt is screaming
2 watts is unbearable
I'm listening at less than 1/200 watt and it's plenty loud
20 watt amp is a lot of power for the Heritage line
Less efficient speakers may need 30 watts just to start making a little noise
200 watts may be needed to produce loud volume with direct radiators vs horn loaded
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Which speakers, and tube or SS
Lots of threads on here discussing various amps
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Was anyone on the Forum involved in RH and Game Stop ?
I had never heard of RH until a few days ago.
Just wondering if anyone had first hand experience with the current blow up ?
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I am amazed at the dust I clean off of everything electronic in my house
I use totl air filter and 3 air cleaners
but still it accumulates
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I had a professional singer give me his 500 CD collection a few weeks ago
It will be a while before I need new content.
But I will cross all Big Bros companies off of the list
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https://www.decware.com/newsite/tubes.html
Looks like a $1000 unit would work 2W Class A
Andrew Robinson reviewed the new lascalas with Decware he is in love with
you could drop him a line and see what he thinks
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8 hours ago, Jeepnmon said:
😉 Currently, we're listening to the La Scala's by rotating in a few different vintage Marantz, Pioneer, Sansui, and Technics receivers as well as a Sansui CA/BA2000.
As I've only had experience with older and vintage equipment with the La Scala's, I'm curious what a more modern integrated amplifier would do for the sound of the La Scala's in addition to adding a bit of modern convenience in the form of remote control. Our sources are Chromecast streaming, a turntable, and CD/DVD.
I have a bunch of Receivers, and integrated amps
I love them all but, they don't spec out as well as the separates.
You could score one of the vintage Yamaha A-1000s, A-1020 which are stellar
great phono section
but it's still a 40 year old unit, that has to be rebuilt $200+300-500 = 700 ?
Power output: 120 watts per channel into 8Ω (stereo)
Frequency response: 20Hz to 20kHz
Total harmonic distortion: 0.005%
Damping factor: 90
Input sensitivity: 0.16mV (MC), 2.5mV (MM), 150mV (line)
Signal to noise ratio: 80dB (MC), 94dB (MM), 106dB (line)
Channel separation: 70dB (MM), 65dB (line)
Output: 150mV (line)
Dimensions: 435 x 146 x 424.5mm
Weight: 13kg
Year: 1983
https://www.hifiengine.com/manual_library/yamaha/a-1000.shtml
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PS
LaScalas are forever
Instead of buying a car cash, I purchased LaScalas in 1980
5 cars, 3 houses, bunch of girlfriends, and one wife........ all gone
The LaScalas are still with me.......
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How much do you want to spend ?
A really good 20W Amp is more than you can use
Schiit looks like they have really good 20W Class A Solid State
Their products bench test well, performance matters
You would have to come up with a pre amp, depending on what you listen to
If all digital, run a DAC with a volume control or passive direct
1/100 Watt is loud listening volume
1/2 Watt is screaming
2 Watts will take you head off
Passive pre amp $49
DAC on one input, phono on 2nd input
https://www.schiit.com/products/sys
Schiit also has formidable DACs starting around the $700 number
Schiit Aegir
Continuity™ Power Amplifier $799
Stereo, 8 Ohms: 20W RMS per channelStereo, 4 Ohms: 40W RMS per channelMono, 8 ohms: 80W RMSFrequency Response: 20Hz-20Khz, -0.1db, 3Hz-500KHz, -3dBTHD: <0.01%, 20Hz-20KHz, at 20W RMS into 8 ohmsIMD: <0.01%, CCIR, at 20W RMS into 8 ohmsSNR: >112db, A-weighted, referenced to full outputDamping Factor: >100 into 8 ohms, 20-20kHzGain: 12 (22dB)Input Sensitivity: AKA Rated Output (Vrms)/Rated Gain. Or, 14.3/12. You do the math.Input Impedance: 22k ohms SE, 44k ohms balancedCrosstalk: >95dB, 20-20kHzInputs: L/R RCA jacks for stereo input, single XLR for mono inputTopology: Fully complementary, all-BJT, current feedback, no coupling capacitors or DC servos with Continuity™ constant transconductance output stageOversight: microprocessor-controlled monitoring and management of critical operational points, including DC offset, with standby mode and relay shut-down for overcurrent, thermal, and other faultsPower Supply: 600VA transformer with dual mono main rails, plus boosted, regulated supply to input, voltage gain and driver stages, plus separate, isolated and regulated rails for microprocessor management.Power Consumption: 450W maximumSize: 9” x 13” x 3.875”Continuity™: Benefits Beyond Class AAegir is our first Continuity speaker amplifier, extending a technology we introduced with the Lyr 3 headphone amp. Technically, Continuity is a way to eliminate transconductance droop outside of the Class A bias region, and extend the benefits of Class A biasing. It also solves the NPN and PNP device mismatch problem, since it uses both NPN and PNP devices on both rails. It’s still a very hot-running amp, though, with over 10W of Class A standing bias.A True No-Excuses DesignLike Vidar, Aegir uses an exotic current-feedback topology, as well as a 100% linear power supply (with 7 separate voltage rails and 600VA transformer) and microprocessor oversight to eliminate capacitors and DC servos in the signal path. No Class D, no switching supplies, no fans, no compromises, nothing in the signal path but music—for a three-figure price tag.Power That ScalesAegir provides 20W into 8 ohms, doubling to 40W into 4 ohms. Run mono, and you’ll see 80W into 8 ohms. Best of all, Continuity ensures you see Class-A-like performance at all these power outputs.Convenient Standby ModeOn Aegir, we’ve added a front-panel button to put the amp into Standby mode. This de-biases the output stage completely and reduces standing power consumption significantly. This keeps the rest of the amp up and running, without massive heat output.Designed and Built in CaliforniaBy “designed and built in California" this is what we mean: the vast majority of the total production cost of Aegir—chassis, boards, transformers, assembly, etc—goes to US companies manufacturing in the US. Our chassis are made minutes from our facility. Our PCBs are done just over the hill from us, or done in NorCal. Our transformers are also made in California. You get the picture.5-Year Warranty and Easy Return PolicyAegir is covered by a 5-year limited warranty that covers parts and labor. And if you don’t like your Aegir, you can send it back for a refund, minus 5% restocking fee, within 15 days of receiving it.-
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Robin Hood etc....
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Thanks I missed the link on that one
Attribution was there already
Since we are not selling anything, I doubt if anyone would mind if we direct traffic to them or put their name out for free.
My two cents.....