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Yes I have read that as well about it moving everything so that 0 will be reference level. However even with the high sensitivity of the speakers to set them at -12 (in his case the lowest possible setting of the speakers) tells me something is a little off somewhere. And most people will tell you they hit reference levels (80-85db) at about the -15 to -20 areas even with all the speakers set to 0 or less. So that part has always left me a little unconvinced that it does indeed set them so that 0 will be reference level. If I turned my volume to 0 it would easily be hitting the 115-120db range maybe louder. (Best guess could always check) don’t think my ears could take it though. I have used audessey with the denon 3808 and just think that part is a little off. I’m sure there are a lot of different opinions on this though. The 2nd part about the volume just being louder is 100% true. And there is no real advantage to having it at 0 over say -5. Zero is just where I start sorry if I made it sound like one way was somehow better than another. Just giving a reference point to the way I approach setting stuff up after the auto set up is done. There are normally 3 different levels (front/center/rears) the middle levels I will set to 0 then move the others accordingly before I start doing testing buy ears and using the meter. One thing I will say on the level though and maybe others can give their experience. If I put all my speakers at say -12 then turned up the volume to say like 0 or even like +5 and play a blu ray then pause it and listen to the level of hiss coming from the speakers. Now I use an emo amp and a 2k avr so not really the top of the line gear but to me there’s a little more hiss then if I set all the speakers levels to say 0 and turn up the volume to -15. I’m sure with better gear that wouldn’t be an issue.The levels that any auto set up gives to me should always be moved to around 0 to start then up from there unless your surrounds are right next to you. Why the auto set ups turn everything way down is beyond me. Manual for level is always best I use both the meter and my ears for level because that’s more a taste thing. Like how much surrounds you want is going to be different from other people. I like a lot so I run them a few db hotter.
Auto setups turn down the output level of most Klipsch speakers because of their highly sensitive design. An automatic setup such as Audyssey calibrates everything so that -0- on the volume level is reference level. Turning up the output level of the speakers does absolutely nothing except make the speakers play louder at the same volume level on the receiver. It doesn't make the receiver put out more power or raise the maximum output level of the speakers.
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No problem I babble all the time. ES is a sony line like pioneer elite. What they consider there Elevated Standard. It doesn’t use audessey it uses a sony technology. Audessey is probably a little better does more things. If you’re just going to run the test and let it be audessey would definitely be the better of the two. Have you ran an auto test again sense you flipped the wires? When you run the test and it’s done look at the picture and look around at the speakers in the picture it should say above or below in red (mine is red might be different) out of phase. Just to see flip your center (or whatever is easiest) run the test and look for it. Other thing you can try is on your sub flip it out of phase (if it’s at 0 flip it to 180) run the test and after the auto test is done look at the sub and see it should tell you that it’s out of phase then you will know what it looks like. I should have asked this before lol does you avr have on screen set up (tv)? And one other thing if your audessey set any speaker (other than sub) at -12 something’s not right. Remember two that you thought it sounded good before and it was out of phase so there still might be a few tweaks to make even though it sounds amazing now. [Audessey works pretty good I run ES so no audessey but I have had it before. The levels that any auto set up gives to me should always be moved to around 0 to start then up from there unless your surrounds are right next to you. Why the auto set ups turn everything way down is beyond me. Manual for level is always best I use both the meter and my ears for level because that’s more a taste thing. Like how much surrounds you want is going to be different from other people. I like a lot so I run them a few db hotter. Not a fan to just set everything the same level db (like set to 75db) it’s a good start but never ends up staying there. One thing I’m a little lost on didn’t your audessey auto test tell you that your speakers were out of phase? And 3 out of 5 that seems fishy to not get your + and – right on 3 out of 5 I would double check that with your cables. Not the test.
I'm not sure why either. I just figured it was because the speakers are so efficient? When I had my Sony bookshelfs and other cheap speakers it calibrated all of them correctly. Each speaker had varying levels. As I said my system sounded good. I was just surprised to see everything at -12. The lowet level you can set on the AVR. As far as phase nope it gave me no indication that they were out of phase. I mean they were still working so idk. Maybe it only gives errors when the speakers don't give any sound at all? And I would check the connections but I also have a bird's nest of wires behind my entertainment center. So its gonna be a hassle to pull out my AVR. I may eventually check but I mean I did what the tests said do and I def had two different sequences of sounds that corrected once I switched the wires. Its possible tho that I may have switched 3 speakers by accident. I've been swapping out stuff so much and I'm always anxious to hook up new speakers so maybe I did switch the wires. Idk. But for now I am satisfied. And I def agree on the levels. People like different things. My cave is small and cozy so I didn't have to tweak any levels after I set them to 85db. My surrounds are pretty close so they're already loud enough for me. But I like to feel explosions so I turned up my sub a little more. Different strokes for different folks. Nonetheless I'm satisfied. Everything sounds better. My soundstage is better and my center has never sounded crisper. Even on low volume now I can still clearly hear it without using "night" modes. But as I said I don't know if its bc of phase or bc I turned up the levels or a mixture of both. But I'm done blabbing. And this may sound like a dumb question but what is ES? A sound mode?
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You are right the rc-64ii is not timbre matched to the rf-83s amy came on and confirmed thisUm it was under my impression that the RC 64 II was a timbre match only for the new RF7I and not the RF83's which are the older discontinued design, being that the RC64 ( original design ) was a timbre match for the RF83.
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Audessey works pretty good I run ES so no audessey but I have had it before. The levels that any auto set up gives to me should always be moved to around 0 to start then up from there unless your surrounds are right next to you. Why the auto set ups turn everything way down is beyond me. Manual for level is always best I use both the meter and my ears for level because that’s more a taste thing. Like how much surrounds you want is going to be different from other people. I like a lot so I run them a few db hotter. Not a fan to just set everything the same level db (like set to 75db) it’s a good start but never ends up staying there. One thing I’m a little lost on didn’t your audessey auto test tell you that your speakers were out of phase? And 3 out of 5 that seems fishy to not get your + and – right on 3 out of 5 I would double check that with your cables. Not the test.Alright guys, so its been a long week of work for me. I'm still building up my main sitting area system. I purchased some RF-25s as surrounds for the 7s but I haven't heard them yet because I need a new receiver. I purchased an Integra 2ch amp that puts out 100wpc and let me tell you it really made the 7s come alive! Unfortunately my receiver doesn't have preouts so right now the amp is hooked up directly to my tv but even so it sounds way better than my receiver. I plan on getting some Parasound amps for the 7s and 25s up front and moving the Integra amp to the mancave to power the 82s. So I just want to thank you guys for causing me more money and making me curious as to how good floorstanders sound as surrounds. But enough about that. Let me get to the real reason I am posting this.
I decided I would manually setup the mancave system so I could see how much of a difference it would make compared to Audessey. So I purchased an analogue sound level meter, a tripod, and measuring tape. Well everything came in a couple of weeks ago but today is the first time I actually felt like using it. Now I've always had a calibration DVD (Avia II) for setting up my TVs but I never used the audio features since I didn't have a meter. Well first I ran the phase tests and believe it or not my surrounds were out of phase as well as my center! Only the Left and Right main were correct. Then I went through the level tests and calibrated everything to the 85db reference level. The needle didn't exactly stay on 85 but it was close enough. Moving just a little. Then I checked the speaker distances and Audessey was right on. Well after I finished setting up my system I turned on a movie and WOW! I thought my system sounded good before. Well somehow it rose to a new level! I think part of it has to do with the phase and I also think it has something to do with the levels. With Klipsch being so sensitive it set all of my speakers at -12db. Well after calibrating everything my system sounds even better. Everything sounds a lot clearer. Even my center. The clarity rose to all new levels! I definitely can't wait until the system up front is finished. I want to hear some properly setup 7s! Now I understand what you guys mean. Demos of speaker systems depends on how well the system is setup. I know its common sense but I didn't realize just how much of a difference it would make! Especially phase. My speakers were still working. It sounded good and I could've sworn I made sure I matched the polarity but I guess not! I think I'll manually setup my systems from now on.....with the help of Audessey of course. Audessey does a great job but tweaking makes it even better. While running the tests I found out I had to turn my sub up! Nothing wrong with more bass. So this weekend should be great! Get to enjoy my movies even more which i didn't think was possible. I know you vets have been doing this for years but to all the newbs out there. Invest in a sound meter and a calibration disc. Of course calibrating the tv makes a huge difference BUT the experience will be complete once you take the time to manually setup your sound too! Of course the automated systems will get you started. I use Avia II which is a great DVD. A ton of audio and video tests to run but there are other ones available on Amazon that are on Blu Ray.
So I think I'm finished with the mancave now. I know I've said that numerous times but I won't make anymore tweaks until I move the Integra amp back here. Anyways I'm about to go back to enjoying the playoffs! Have a great night guys!
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The only thing the same is the name rf-7 other than that everything else is different. Box size all the drivers are different same size but different the crossover is different the port placement is different. When you see the 2 speakers side by side they only resemble each other from the 2 10s and a horn look. The rf-7ii is a totally different speaker. The new ones are 4” taller and a half inch deeper I heard them side by side and when you a b them it’s a totally different sound imo.As i have seen the RF-7 DeanG mod was to correct the imbalance between the woofers and the tweeter to soften or reduce potential harshness, the RF83's were the replacement design with a correctly built crossover so they would not require the Dean mod.
The RF-7 II is a restructured design being very similar to the original only having improved material and the improved crossover, so to my opinion they will have the very same qualitys nearly with perhaps the RF II's having the slight edge on looks and quality of parts but it would come down to taste and what you like.
If you done a little search you could have discovered this yourself.
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I can’t give you much info on placement for the La Scala. But on subs I feel I got a pretty good grasp on what works and what does ok on subs. First thing internet subs are 100% value if you go with svs/ed/hsu/epik you will be very happy with the bang for buck and probably end up getting a 2 or 3 to 1 value on your dollar. Get 1 or 2 of one of them and you’re done. [Hi, I am new in this Forum. I have been thinking about putting 3 La Scala`s behind the my micro perforated screen and using 2 Corrwalls or 2 Heresy as rear speakers, What 2 Subs perform well with Klipsch besides the Ultra THX 2 Subs ? How far away do the La Scala have to be set from the screen? Does the La Scala have to stand on the floor or can it be put up 12 inches of the floor? Instead of 3 La Scala as mains would 2 La Scala and 1 Cornwell as center be an option? I`ll consider any other suggestion. I only watch Movies
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Love it man looks great can’t wait to start on that stuff.
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That makes sense i kind of went through same thing when I got an avr with the new modes. Thought I read it was bigger (pcm over bit) can’t recall for sure very possible was someone’s opinion and not a fact based article.Isn’t pcm better than bit stream? I thought I read that if you can run both always go pcm the size is bigger isn’t it?
Guess it depends on what article or thread you read. This article suggests PCM. Some other threads I've read say Bitstream. Here is the way I look at it. The best method is determined by whichever component can decode the best. If a bluray player does a better job at it, then you should set it to PCM. If your receiver does a better job at decoding, set it to Bitstream. If you have the Fat PS3, you don't have a choice. You have to use PCM.
When I first purchased my PS3, I looked through countless threads on it trying to find out what settings I needed to change to allow my PS3 to bitstream. What I found is that it can't.
Either way, one of the two components has to decode the data. To me, either method should sound the same unless as I mentioned, one has a better "decoder" than the other. Guess the only way to know is to try both and see if you can hear a difference. My guess is they will both sound the same.
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In my room I’ve had the rs-42 rs-52 and now the rs-62ii I would say that if you get the rs-52ii you won’t need another set of surrounds again. You could get by with the Rs-42but you would probably end up upgrading down the road (wish I thought of this hundreds of dollars ago lol)My room size ia about 250sqft. I am starting to build my home audio I have the RF82's right now,and I was told to match with the Rc62 what should I use for my surrounds and my power sub. I am only going to run 5.1. I like to listen to music and watch movies it's a 50/50 split. My budget for the sub will be around $700 Cnd and I am not sure what surrounds would cost , but I figure around $500. Using a onkyo 708 receiver.
Thanks for the help.
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About the 2nd part
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I think I’m wrongIsn’t pcm better than bit stream? I thought I read that if you can run both always go pcm the size is bigger isn’t it?
And I guess I’ll have to look but I have the old 60 fat ps3 I could swear I can do 1 or the other (bit stream/pcm) ??
Please; if you can..... look and let me know as I am considering an old PS3 used in the near future.....
Thanks!
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Isn’t pcm better than bit stream? I thought I read that if you can run both always go pcm the size is bigger isn’t it?
And I guess I’ll have to look but I have the old 60 fat ps3 I could swear I can do 1 or the other (bit stream/pcm) ?? -
Your question is to vague need to know your budget before can really give an opinion.I just bought the Rf82 and I am picking up the Rc62 on Sat. What would the best match for a 12" sub?
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Very nice I should give you some business. I need some for the front 3 [
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Well depends on the blu ray if a little older you would first need to go to the audio options at the menu screen of the blu ray movie. And change it to what you want. Then you probably have an auto mode on your avr that will read the highest possible format. In your case if you are seeing pcm then your avr is set right but if the movie came out on blu ray before the last year or so (probably like 2 years but I always check) the standard is just basic 5.1. Hit the display button on your ps3 remote up in the right corner you will see what the ps3 is decoding hd dts/true hd/ pcm/ next to that you see the size in hz some move some don’t. If you see just basic 5.1 Dolby pro then you need to change it.Do most AVR or Processors automatically select the best surround mode (TrueHD, PLIIx, etc)? I just got the Emotiva UMC-1 and haven't played with it enough yet, but don't think it automatically adjusts. I think my old Pioneer AVR used to adjust (not 100% sure). I would love something that adjusts automatically -- turn the tv or dvd on then the processor takes over and plays whatever best format available.
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They would probably sound pretty good but price wise it’s very close to the rf-7ii (like 300 retail). Two 7s and a 64 my guess would have a better stage and overall surround sound, and would look way better imo.I would say no
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Why are the customer service reps (Robert land) telling people they are?
My guess is it goes back to one of your words....misinformation. Either that or he just assumed that it was. Honest mistake.
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Lol If I called bose and said I have an rc-64ii. And ask do you think it will match your 901s? Do you think they would say no?Only using this example because I know we all know they don’t match.I'm not the authority on this subject at all. I know very little about timbre matching. Just thought I would pass on the info that klipsch emailed me. The rep from klipsch name is Robert land. Feel free to contact him yourself. Your comment saying that you disagree about them being matched is ridiculous. Keep your head in the sand if you want. Or man up... Email klipsch and then apologize to this forum for spreading false information.
now you are throwing robert under the train lol. not good
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The incredibles finally came out yesterday watched it last night sounded great !!
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im not sure what great source of information this forum holds when you mention "So much misinformation on this forum!"
you had at least 2 persons giving you advice who own complete systems one being rf83 the other the new rf7ii's, my guess is both possibly understand which components belong in those systems, i also received the same vibe that you disregard anything said when you seek advice, im sure klipsch or any dealer for that fact will be happy to sell you any jumble you wish to assemble if you use them as gospel, i prefer to use my research and general conclusions from others who have definite knowledge of said topic to gather information rather than a supports unknown knowledge of the topic not limited to their training, motivation, or mood that day
on this threads note, rf82ii would be a great mesh for the rc62ii, also rf62ii's and rb81ii's depending on what you wish to accomplish or spend (id go with rf82ii or rb81ii and then use the bookshelves for rear duty at a later date in time if you ever wish to go cheaper now and then expand
also klipsch does for current systems make mention of which components get mated properly if you look in the lower left corner of this link
http://www.klipsch.com/na-en/products/rc-62-ii-overview/
note: they dont make mention of previous systems that i've seen
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Well Bose will tell you they have the best speakers in the world[Didn't mean to be harsh. Sorry for offending you. The forums are a great source of information. I would just tell you to consider your source before making an expensive purchase. I consider customer support from klipsch a high quality source for information about klipsch speakers. Wouldn't you like to believe that the person your getting advice from about how a speaker sounds with another speaker has actually heard them together?
]. Customer service no disrespect to any and all (Customer service) is not the authority on what’s good and what’s not.
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If the two speakers sound the same (rf-83 and the rc-64ii) then yes they would be and I’m wrong. But are opinions are what are being ask for right? Cause that’s what I’m giving. That’s all any of us can give you. So not sure how an opinion can be taken as misinformation. If you ask what sounds better we tell you what we think can that be misinformation? My guess they sound good together but not the same and to me that’s what timbre match is. The guy at klipsch might think it means does it sound good together who knows. Depends how you want to look at it.RC 64ii is "timbre" matched to the rf 83's. Misinformation is when people say that they are not timbre matched. Wouldn't u agree?
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Guys we are missing the biggest difference. The cones would be different colors! The new ones are darker
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Jason why even post on here then and ask questions if you don’t think people might have good advice. No disrespect but that statement seemed a little harsh.[Send an email to klipsch and ask them what would be s good match. Don't listen to people who have not owned the speakers u r talking about
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]. Customer service no disrespect to any and all (Customer service) is not the authority on what’s good and what’s not. 
] If the email is the only thing to go by then by all means email them and buy what they tell you.
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