I have found the bass and finally got them pumping, I use a Decware Torii IV with Decware RIAA valves amps, before they speakers had too much treble and not enough bass, I have just recently aquired a Audio Research valve preamp yum yum, heaps of bass, can tame the treble a bit, my whole system was valved for warm sound, NOS Mullards and Telefunkens, but the Audio Research preamp has really finished the system nicely, very happy now. This is with a Rega RP3 turntable hooked up.