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    Advice for Beginners - consider this test from an audio club

    in General Klipsch Info

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    51 minutes ago, ODS123 said:

     

    Modern, linear AND not driven to distortion which means some degree of care should be taken in matching amp to speakers.  ..I NEVER said ALL amps sound the same.  I do think it's a fair bet that pretty much any amp or AVR a newbie might buy from BEST BUY falls into the "modern and linear" category so long as it's not overdriven.  

    Speaking as a self certified expert of course.

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    Advice for Beginners - consider this test from an audio club

    in General Klipsch Info

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    4 hours ago, ODS123 said:

     

    Not true.  ..Most people (non-audiophiles, that is)  would not leave their stereo playing at moderate levels for 24 hours straight let alone for 4.2 days.  ..Most people don't have a dedicated listening room far from those trying to sleep at night or engage in other activities w/out hearing music.   Nor would most people feel comfortable leaving music playing when they leave the house, apt. or condo.  

     

    I don't understand your last question. Re-state it please.

    Sure OD. I can see where forgetting to include period after return was a bit much for you to slog through. So to help you out how long was the return period on those? As for the rest of the stuff you said Comedy Central is calling you.

     

    4 hours ago, ODS123 said:

     

    Never said I conducted an orchestras as Dave A claimed I had (wth?!)  ..I did play in one through school, though.   And attended many many performances of a gifted son who sang in district, regional and now college choirs and musicals.  ..As for being a lifelong music obsessive, not sure what evidence would suffice.  ..A picture of my record collection?  ..Ticket stubs?  please. ..don't hold your breath.

    OK you got me I threw that one in for free. But every musician I know can tell me where they played and what they play and has a scrap book with fond memories. School yearbooks f/instance  would be another source. Not that I am expecting you to produce evidence I am just amusing myself with someone who can't back up what he says with any evidence he has done the things he claims.  You have a credibility problem you see so I question everything you state and believe you are right sometimes just like a broken clock is right twice a day. The rest of the time not so much. (*urczy!!!*)

    Advice for Beginners - consider this test from an audio club

    in General Klipsch Info

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    1 hour ago, ODS123 said:

    ADDED:

    So I would urge beginners to add claims of  "Break-in periods" to the list of things to be wary of as they shop for their 1st (and for many, it would end there) system.  Particularly any break-in period that would extend beyond the return period.  Vandersteen's ridiculous recommendation of 100 hours of break-in would take 50 days for those who listen 2 hours/ day - which would be a lot for most working people.    ..Most return periods are 14 days for refund, 30 days for store credit.

     

    You kill me OD. Normal people could and do solve this problem with 4.2 days (you know that 100 hour thing) of leaving the speakers running since they understand you don't have to physically be present to let them break in. How long was the return if not happy offer from the manufacturer?

     

    1 hour ago, ODS123 said:

    As I said, with my last three pairs of speakers I was not able to discern ANY difference b/w the speaker that played overnight and the one that didn't.  Given that that is a pretty small sample on which to base my opinion that speaker break-in is a myth (as compared with the abundance of information suggesting modern amps sound alike) and considering all the plausible explanations given here on why it might make a difference, I would probably qualify my statement a bit more carefully..  If I were given the opportunity to take back my statement I would and would re-state it as such:

    The problem is you take your scant experience and combine it with a refusal to believe anything you have not chosen to own is worthwhile. How you form your buying decisions is secret knowledge since the only one that knows the hidden secrets to audio nirvana is you. Then you trot this stuff out and pontificate regarding the only valid opinion which of course is yours.

     

     

     

     

    1 hour ago, Dave A said:
    8 hours ago, ODS123 said:

     

    I played live/ unrecorded music for years, and spent an entire lifetime as a music obsessive who has been to countless live performance - both amplified and acoustic.  ..I KNOW what real, live music sounds like.  ..Not sure what you mean by "a dog in this race" but it's ridiculous to suggest I don't care about fidelity just b/c I don't believe that differences b/w modern day amplifiers - which are designed/ engineered to be linear under normal operating conditions - are audible.  

    Evidence please or it did not happen. Baseless chest thumping does not prove on it's own merit you did these things. Although I imagine you direct orchestras better than any, write and produce quality music and have links to post to your past participation as a revered musician in many genres. What do you use in your mixing studio to get the correct sound we all aspire to hear?

     

     So where is the evidence hmmm?

    Advice for Beginners - consider this test from an audio club

    in General Klipsch Info

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    6 hours ago, ODS123 said:

     

    I played live/ unrecorded music for years, and spent an entire lifetime as a music obsessive who has been to countless live performance - both amplified and acoustic.  ..I KNOW what real, live music sounds like.  ..Not sure what you mean by "a dog in this race" but it's ridiculous to suggest I don't care about fidelity just b/c I don't believe that differences b/w modern day amplifiers - which are designed/ engineered to be linear under normal operating conditions - are audible.  

    Evidence please or it did not happen. Baseless chest thumping does not prove on it's own merit you did these things. Although I imagine you direct orchestras better than any, write and produce quality music and have links to post to your past participation as a revered musician in many genres. What do you use in your mixing studio to get the correct sound we all aspire to hear?

     

      Enjoying 18 days of logic free commentary.

    Advice for Beginners - consider this test from an audio club

    in General Klipsch Info

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    7 hours ago, Westcoastdrums said:

    You sir are the skeptic of all skeptics.   I missed the other 1000 or so pages, but what is your experience in audio or music as a whole besides all linear amps sound the same and no one on earth can tell the difference?   Damn I wish I still worked in a music studio and could bring you in.   Your posts would all be irrelevant in your own opinion within hours as long as you were able to pass a basic hearing test.

     Basic hearing test? First in line would be a cognition test because if the mind can't correctly process the audio input what would be the purpose of the hearing test? You have to remember in Troll 101 the basic premise is the Troll is always right irregardless of logical and provable data that says he is not.

    Advice for Beginners - consider this test from an audio club

    in General Klipsch Info

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    1 hour ago, mikebse2a3 said:

    I think my best advice for a beginner is make it your goal to put together a system that connects you to the music and draws you in to the point that you can listen for hours on end with “0” listener fatigue. Don’t settle for less 🙂

    And go listen to systems comparable to what you are thinking of to see if that is really what you want before you buy anything.

    Advice for Beginners - consider this test from an audio club

    in General Klipsch Info

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    4 hours ago, ODS123 said:

     

    If he's promulgating the myth of cable break-in (seriously?) and amp break-in (not mentioned in the owner's manual, but he's said it elsewhere) it becomes hard to know whether or not to take seriously his remarks about Speaker break-in.  ..No, I probably wouldn't tell him I distrust him on these counts.  ..He's cranky.  

     

    I loved my 3A sigs, but I never bought into his claims about time coherence/ alignment, etc.    ...I listened extensively to them and liked them enough to buy them.  ..I sold them b/c they aren't meant for the kind of SPLs necessary for home theater.  I now need my floor-standers to perform double-duty: 2-channel for music, L/R front for HT.

    So once again you know more than someone who designs speakers for a living.

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    Three Way MCM 1900 for sale soon

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    5 hours ago, FarmerBob said:

     

    Fuses on mine were on the outside back panel of the W Bin in the Crossover Compartment. Not a hard change. At the time Klipsh was not known for Pro Bass Drivers. They suggested the Cetec-Gauss exchange. I also swapped out the Tweeter array with Rinkus-Heinz.

    What year were they suggesting that? I believe that the K-43 became the stock woofer for the MWM's because there were problems. I thought the Gauss drivers were not supposed to sound as good but they could handle gobs of power.

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    Advice for Beginners - consider this test from an audio club

    in General Klipsch Info

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    28 minutes ago, Deang said:

    I heard from a reputable source how Roy Delgado loosens up the suspensions of woofers before he measures them. I think I'd like to be at least a mile away while he's doing that.

     

    When I bought my new Klipschorns, Steve Philips of Klipsch told me to wait at least three days before evaluating them.

     

    Richard Marsh of Reliable Capacitor told me that it takes 10-20 for capacitors to "settle down". Mike Sanders of Quicksilver told me the same thing.

     

    It's not always easy sift the science out of the voodoo -- but when everyone in the industry agrees on a thing ... 

    When I install new tweeters and or crossover caps in speakers I am selling I always let them run for a few days before they are up for sale. It most definitely does make a difference and I want people who show up to hear things as they should be.

    Advice for Beginners - consider this test from an audio club

    in General Klipsch Info

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    2 hours ago, ODS123 said:

    I did w/ my last three speaker purchases:  Vandersteen 3A Sigs (3 way floor-stander); Paradigm S8 v2s (3-way floor stander); and my Klipsch Cornwall III's.  In each case I let one play through the night than came down the next am to compare.  ..No, not one iota of difference.  

    So when are you going to tell Vandersteen he is wrong to eh? Which reminds me he said 100 hours so maybe it would help if you read the manual next time.  Ha ha ha, you are killing me OD!!

    Smarter than Vandersteen too.jpg

    Advice for Beginners - consider this test from an audio club

    in General Klipsch Info

    Posted

    2 hours ago, ODS123 said:

     

    I'd say now swap the left/ right leads just to make sure you're not hearing a channel imbalance - ie., one plays louder than the other.  ..Other than that, what's there to say?   So they hear a difference.  At least they can make the claim after having applied an iota of scientific rigor.  And an "iota" is about all that it would be because there's still plenty of opportunity for bias to intrude.  But at least it's a comparison made w/ levels matched AND made quickly.

    You just make my day without doing a thing other than being you. The sublime humor to be had regarding a person like you, who bases his whole life on narrow experience and complete dismissal of things beneath his self imposed oracular chosen dignity, to talk authoritatively about stuff the way you do is priceless. Thanks for the link I am going to check out your sage wisdom over there for grins and giggles.

    Three Way MCM 1900 for sale soon

    in Garage Sale

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    2 hours ago, Coytee said:

     

     

    Looking at your picture, it dawned on me that if you stacked books on those horizontal braces......then the MCM system would then be.......wait for it.....  a bookshelf speaker!

     

     

    I prefer to think of it as a multi tool work bench storage area and audio engine. I am going to make the S MWM and use tan color tinted Duratex on it so I won't have to pretend to feel guilty about all that dust. I figure the tan will look good no matter how dusty.

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