Chief bonehead
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and so are you....i see you at all the strange club meetings....
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just out of curiousity,,,,what do you use to listen and evaluate these "upgrade parts"? by the way i know dean but you obviously spent alot more time with him....it is amazing how many holes you have in your comical arguments.....things are fixing to change.....
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i got the ac on so no problem.
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LOL!! right......
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dude you can do anything you want...just be glad that mr k isnt around. i really dont care what you do but i call bs on those that can do only certain things and claim them to be the best thing since monofilament.....
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dean your opinion has an agenda. that i dont respect.....you cannot possibly understand the issues with nets as i have gathered from years of experience of reading what you do.
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Again. I disagree. You are compensating for your recordings. The network is an integral part of the speaker design. Where this arbitrary swapping of networks came from I have no idea.
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I think the bottoms line with me is this....use the correct network network for the design of the speaker. If you are going to use "better" components then for Petes sakes have the freq adjusted. If you don't then you will do the same amount of damage if you use an eq. And no abritarily changing nets does not give you a better sounding speaker. It gives you a different sounding speaker and it is no longer a Klipsch speaker. Damn I feel better.
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Cause dean knows best....
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Right you ARE THE EXPERT after all! Lol!
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Depends on the component and it spec. As mike said above, something as small as a .25 dB change over a large bandwidth can make a huge difference.
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I didn't say flat freq response but never mind you answered my question.
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"Loudspeaker-Room" Maximum Performance Acheived
Chief bonehead replied to mikebse2a3's topic in 2-Channel Home Audio
I don't think mike or I would disagree with this at all. Btw. Ask kev how much his "sweet spot" has increased. -
Both. The al4 was taking all that mr k and I had talked about and I implemented those findings in those nets. No diff with the 5 series.
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So one simple question......with all the crossovers you tried, did you adjust and try to keep the freq response the same?
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Lol! That would require writing a book. The synopsis would be that I have people that I trust listen. I listen to various cuts of music that I have collected over the years and i also "listen" to what the speaker and measurements tell me.
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The horn in a cf4 was exposed to the back wave of the woofers so damping the horn walls was a logical solution.
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So we are willing to pay lots for caps and inductors and resistors and not willing to pay lots for a really good eq?
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And that beaming can be made quite apparent when you have two acoustic sources covering the overlap band as is the case with shallow slope filters.
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It takes a lot of acoustic energy to mimic what you hear when you tap on a horn. In in the case of where the 400/ 401 horn is use they are isolated from the bass freqs.
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Just how is that important in speaker design?
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I don't understand what ringing and beaming mean.
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well unfortunately for some, cryptic is not good. not necessarily doing it to be cryptic. i really just wonder what you and others will hear that makes one go backward in choosing networks that were by the way, chosen by mr k himself. i will always take pauls word and his thoughts over anyone deciding, without any kind of measuring equipment, other than ears to make the judgement call. not that ears are not an important part of the evaluation chain, but that doing that in an environment that is less than ideal. one thing that i do remember to do is to listen to speakers with different kinds of types of musics in order to see if where the improvement was done is being excited. just so you know, paul in his later years began to understand the advantages of steep filters in order to minimize the overlap band and would tutor me and would want my feedback and how to figure out a way to validate or invalidate to see if this would something we should pursue. shallow slope filters can cause so many lobes to develop between two sections of the speaker. it also allows the devices to tend to operate at extreme ends of their capabilities. i guess that is why intially the hertiage speakers were rated for 100 watts. and deciding to choose expensive, and supposedly better components, can be misleading. if the elements do actually present some sort of advantage, what does that do the freq response curve as compared to the ref curve? i have said repeatedly, that if the freq response is altered then the values need to be adjusted until the freq response is back to the ref curve. THAT is more of a meaningful evaluation. if you dont adjust the freq response, then why not just an eq to system and adjust to flavor. in essence, adding an element that actually does have a parameter that changes the freq response, is the same thing. i have done so much work in this field to just support that someone change something to our klipsch speakers to say... that is an upgrade. the measurements should guide you and should validate what you hear. i still want to hear from others what they hear in the comparison. i am and will always be curious.......
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i am interested in reading your comments before i comment.....
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so you are going to replace an al-4 with an aa?
