Marathon Man

Oh.. One other possibility is that the anomaly could also be roon acoustics. The sub is being tested in different locations of the room. I bet if I were able to bring the sub connected to the longer cable and put it in the same location as the short drop I would get the same SPL. I might have answered my own question. I really don't want re-run that cable. ------------------ MM This message has been edited by Marathon Man on 03-09-2002 at 08:54 AM

Has anyone done any testing in regard to signal degradation when i.e. 1. splitting sub out signal. 2. using sub cable at various lengths (longer than 50 feet). If degradation is present is there a inline signal booster that can be added that will repeat the signal without modifying the signal? I am doing some very primitive testing by simply playing test tones to a sub that is connected via a split cable, and using a SPL meter measuring the sound pressure. One cable is 15 feet and the other is 100 feet. When the sub is connected to the 100 foot cable there is about a 2-3 db decrease. My only conclusion is that the i.e. I need to use a higher quality 100 foot sub cable. Currently using Monster bass-300(let me requalify that. The 100 feet is derived from two monster bass-300 50' cables spliced together with a barrel connector), or im loosing throughput someplace (the barrel connector) or the signal is degrading as a result of i.e. splitting the line, or the cable length. I guess I could try to connect the 100 foot piece direct and that would eliminate splitting the signal as the culprit "duuu", but I really don't think that splitting the signal would have much of an effect because when the sub is connected at the 15 foot cable it plays louder. This lets me know that the signal strenth is most likely the same at least to the 15 foot mark on both cables. What do you think?? ------------------ MM This message has been edited by Marathon Man on 03-04-2002 at 10:57 PM

Yeah that would be heart stopping. I'm thinking of adding another sub to my system to compliment the two RSW's. Im still auditioning different products at this point. I only wish that I could listen to the SVS's. I am sure that its a great sounding sub by all the kudos given it on this board, but I refuse to make the purchase until I can hear them in my theater. I guess I could inquire about their return policy but if I have to eat the shipping I don't know if that will be a good idea. My wife thinks that Im crazy for not thinking that I have enough bass as it is. Its funny... I also am into marine fish (salt water). I started with a 55 gallon tank and thought that I would never need a larger tank than that. Now I have 300 gallon fish tank and a 120 gallon reef tank. I guess the parallel is when is enough enough? I think Im starting to cross the line of obsession. Oh well. Its only money . ------------------ MM

Not sure if you are seeing this post or not so Im going to try and this again. If you still cannot see the post see attached file. If you are like most people large media racks take up a great deal of room in your theater room. Large media racks can be expensive and cumbersome. I was recently in a local mall and found a neat product that will allow you to manage your media (cds, dvds blank cdrs etc..) using a fraction of the space. I find that this product is not only very space efficient, but is very organized and the best part is that it is very portable. The product is called discgear. So far I use 3 of the selector 100 units. Each unit allows you to store 100 discs. You place your discs in numbered slots then simply slide the rule to the corresponding number for the disc you want, and when the unit is opened it picks up the disk you want. You can create data sheets online at www.discgear.com which will contain the title and the slot number. The data sheet can be printed and it placed in a slide out drawer that comes on the unit. What about my disc literature you ask. Well that is easy also. You can purchase a literature album which will contain all the dvd and or cd literature inserts for the discs. I like it because you our your guests can go through the album to see what selections you want to play, and then look up the title on the data sheets you printed, slide to the number and bada-bing. I have organized 300 discs in three selector 100s and they take up a fraction of the space a rack would that holds 300 discs. If I am going to a friend or familys house and want to take a certain genre of dvds to watch I can take 100 or more dvds with me with no hassle. You can also manage your data sheets and move discs from unit to unit all online, print the new data sheet and my discs are organized in no time. Its worth checking out. Just thought I would share this with you. Cheers ------------------ MM ------------------ MM This message has been edited by Marathon Man on 03-02-2002 at 10:36 PM

Deleting this thread because its a duplicate of the one below it. This message has been edited by Marathon Man on 03-02-2002 at 10:19 PM

For me its: Toy Story 2 Jurassic Park III Vertical Limit (Helo scenes) All time favorite movie both picture and sound as well as story line.... is Gladiator ------------------ MM

good luck by the way. ------------------ MM This message has been edited by Marathon Man on 03-01-2002 at 01:35 AM

I had the same problem with a power amp and at that time I was using an old Panamax 1000 surge protector which did some line conditioning, but I had to also add a 15 cents 3 to 2 plug power adapter. The power adapter I think did the trick. I now use the Monster Power 5100 and that beast lets no hum in. If the Monster Power or the adapter or both don't do the trick then it very well may be in the amp itself. ------------------ MM This message has been edited by Marathon Man on 03-01-2002 at 01:44 AM

Ear.. I saw the pics of your SVS's and they look pretty awsome. I thought about going that route, but I have been in this hobby for a while now and I have never had any success making purchases without auditioning the product. With SVS not being a product that I can put my ear on ( no pun intended) I decided to stick with the Klipsch. Besides I like more clearity than raw bass, and I thought I would get that from the Klipsch as opposed to any other sub other than maybe the Velo HGS-18. I think Klipsch has made great strides with the RSW line, but they can still improve on the amplifire section a bit. All the Klipsch subs that I have listened to in my house seem to have a problem with localization because you have to really crank the sub volume, and that is the reason for the second sub, to even out the sound stage.All and all its a great product. Maybe one day I can get a chance to listen to the SVS, but for now Im going to stay with the two klipsch. ------------------ MM

Just received new RSW-15 to replace one of my RSW-12's. Now im using a RSW-12 in a rear corner and the 15 up front. Both the 12 and the 15 are a bit peaky in the 60 to 80 Hz range but the ref 30 allow you to setup a notch filter to flatten out the low end freqs. To get the best sound out of my room I have to notch it at 74 Hz @ -5.5 db with a notch width between 61 Hz- 78Hz. This allows me to use the sub at a high enough volume to get the heart throbbing effect I want. Otherwise the 60 - 80 Hz range is to pronounced. I hear a lot of talk about other subs being a lot louder, but I really don't think I could stand bass any louder than the RSW's. The wave is so strong that I can hardly stand the pressure in the inner ear at loud volumes. As a matter of fact with two KSW-15's I used to listen to movies/music at about 110db, but with the RSW's I now only listen at about 80db. You simply cannot stay in the room otherwise. Musically the sub is simply awesome. Tight strong bass accurately reproduced. Movies earth shaking. I did freq sweeps between 20 - 120 Hz, and the sub (RSW-15) is very strong down to 25 Hz. It seems to fall of rather sharply after that but she still shakes the room down to 20 Hz. As I said I don't think I could stand it to be any louder. The RSW-12 does very well down to 30 Hz then falls way off below that, but with it sitting right next to my couch I would not want it any louder. This configuration works well in my room. I think much of what you hear about subs is all relative to the room and the gear you are using. Using the notch filter really helps out in my case a great deal. Well done Klipsch well done. ------------------ MM This message has been edited by Marathon Man on 03-01-2002 at 09:17 AM

This sounds like the old 50' max on a serial cable rule. (folks run serial cable in the computer business hundreds of feet with no problem) Same applies here, Your receiver should be able to push a audio signal 50' to a speaker without a problem. Hook it up and forget it. Dont spend the extra money on that other junk. ------------------ MM

Just purchased 2 RSW-12's. I know that there is a break in period for all loudspeakers, but what about subs? since the driver in a powered sub that is not ported will move a great deal is there break in process that a sub should undergo? The system: B&K ref-30 Pre-Pro B&K 7260 Power amp 6/ch power amp B&K ST-2160 2/ch power amp Monster Power 5100 power center Monster Power voltage correction Klipsh RF-5 front channel Klipsch RC-3 center Klipsch RCW-3 in walls Klipsch RS-3 dipoles Various digital transports ------------------ MM