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3 hours ago, twistedcrankcammer said:
Agree with all except LaScalas besting 600s is totally uninformed BS. First, try just the top two bins getting rid of the dual 18 direct radiators and add one KPT-1802 and we are talking whole new ball game. Second, a single LaScala tops out at 121 dB, where as a single stack of 600s tops out at 137.5 dB, do you have any clue as to how many LaScalas it would take to match that output??? Talk about all kinds of audio issues with that many separate speakers as well.
Yes this would be the amount of lascala(plural) I pictured in reference to comparison, ridiculous I know. The 1802 would be one of only a few choice possibilities to properly source recommended range below 50hz.
The most difficult spot listening to 600's is their midbass. This was not good hearing a pair of them from my experience with klipsch setting them up. Maybe using many stacks of 600's they may not sound so limited. 5 x top,mid and bottom per side and the midrange could be adjusted and acceptable. Then from 50+ yards away extremely loud and manageable or unmanageable depending on variables. Single pair at 50 yards away was sub par. Not sure more would be better.
With large pa the electronic crossover needs maintained and adjusted from song to song. 600's are no exception.
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Never seen you asked where I'm at. Northwest
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On 12/12/2017 at 9:49 PM, Ljk said:
No not true especially with the different mid and tweeters you are dealing, crossovers are more then likely different from each other. Crossover points, characterics of individual speakers and horn lens could, are different from each other.
I have one 250 and one 250II I need to match. In the next few days I am going take out the 250II xover to see what difference are between the 2 speakers. This may help you, may not.
Really looks like these 2 speakers are guide different from each other. The horns lens on both the mids and tweeters are different, got to think the xovers are different. Not sure if the woofers are different or not. Might be easier to just sell the II and buy another pair of 250,s unless you could get parts cheap some where.
patience is such a strong suit when correctly rebuilding anything. klipsch rebuilds are so great once finished.
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On 12/8/2017 at 8:45 AM, Ljk said:
Did some research and found the II,s, both mid and tweet have tractix horn lens. Looks like the 250,s have expotenial horn? Not sure if the woofers and crossovers are the same.
You could try hooking one of each speaker hooked in stereo and stuff cotton balls or small hand towel in tweeter and see if that helps. Then do same thing with mid and see if 250 II match, sound better.
Might see if someone on board wants to trade 250 II for pair of 250,s. Could be easier in the long run.
Always figured they could be swapped out if they were equal ohms
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That is very good to know. Anybody with 30's should buy a quad of them. This makes my pillow softer at night.
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On 12/8/2017 at 2:16 AM, dtel said:
Got to start off by saying almost all speakers sound better outside, to me anyway. Except when I tried Heresy's once, they lost what bass they had and didn't do well just sitting on the ground, I wanted more bass.
Everyone has what they have for different reasons, this hobby can lead you in different directions, you never know really. I listened to every speaker I could find over the last 35+ years(like many people here) and for the most part the ones I liked the most tended to bigger, bigger horns. They sounded more open and natural with no strain, and we do not listen loud 98% of the time so it's not volume.
Actually my wife and daughter picked out our best and biggest speakers after hearing them for about half of one song, and it was being played in mono.............. I blame them.
And please don't call me Mr, I am old but still. If you don't mind me asking where are you from, you type with a slight accent ?
Took a while to respond. Well said. Nicely put dtel.
After debating this thread it was never intended to say any klipsch speaker is bad. It is a strong fight that all klipsch are good indoors,within reason.
Seems it needs to be put out there though. As xo705zf stated ref prem are good. And have been compared obviously with the likes of rf7's etc...
So true outdoors is sweet spots galore for speakers especially very efficient klipsch full range. The heresy is just that heresy to sound. They will twist the mind into new ways of thinking about audio imho Still everyone should gently place there speakers outdoors for a song. The capabilities are mind boggling impressive. Then gently take them back indoors.
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Good piece of equipment. Should had kept the 1 I had. took 2 years to find a unit that was equally satisfying. Good time on the sale
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On 12/6/2017 at 3:11 PM, dtel said:
What, wish someone would have said something earlier!
Just remember a bigger horn controls a room better, it's a fact.
Your system is klipsch lovers known and renowned so props to you mr dtel. Those belong indoors no matter the size imo. they are gorgeous and possibly the best(sounding and visual) ever/possible imo. But They Would Sound Better Outside! No?
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3 hours ago, xo705cf said:
So I'm assuming you tried out the K horns but you're not getting what you expected out of them, in other words you feel you need a bigger room for them to perform optimally... glad to hear it sounds like you like the 83 s....
Yes. And not done with the horns. Yes the 83's are super for 2 ch no sub. Some day I will procure khorns for my room. more effort than life offers atm
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46 minutes ago, PrestonTom said:
The woofers on the KLF 30's are Klipsch K-31's. They are still in production and are used on some of the cinema models (Jubilee for instance). Let me caution you on swapping woofers, it is not that simple. The box volume and ports would need to be changed and probably the crossover also. It is not likely you would get a better system in the end.
Much gratitude for your wisdom sir. Did not know it was the k31. Never researched. It was a curious question or thought for the long haul/future. Knowing those are in production does clean the sweat of both brows. Thank you sir
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For better or worse what woofers would be proper replacements without and with network mods. For the 30's likely top notch woofers even if need updated crossovers. Any suggestions. Looked around never found a definite choice on this forum nor elsewhere for the 3. Anybody try swapping all 4 of and klf pair out for anything?
thx E
EDIT,ps My woofers are fine but want to try other woofers. yeah why, because there are better woofers these days?
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The 792 does have better control to match any mid made give or take. Their slope transition better. the 77's are nice when setup right imo
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83's today and they are full of fire. 28'x14 couldn't believe its not in 1st post. Absolutely premieres are good for indoor. chorus sure. but with these new perfect corners its frustrating that khorns havnt tipped my ears. Lots of good indoor speakers out there the high end klipsch is to much imo atm
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my upstairs media room are 2 high end reference towers and they are so pleasing. No sub
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records only few cds. rock,jazz,bluegrass as well as have to be able to perform for a surprise that's tossed at it.
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Carpet by choice. I have lascalas,cornwalls plus more, but the heritage line needs so much space. Air matters for speaker performance big time.
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Okay now read 1st page and scanned this, page 5.
KP600's are a collectable 100%
I have heard klipsch tune them and some fierce sound engineers. They are not an elegant nor loud applause from appeal music producer. Period.
The tscm I believe it is takes the cake easy up to the 600's. The mwm the k402 is something to get to the top of sound repro-duction. That mentioned stacks of lascalas No Doubt when done right. The 600's cannot even be compared to stacks of lascalas. Anyone who would is in need of an update
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Plain drywall 28x14
one patio sliding door at back corner and stairwell at opposite corner with 9' of open wall space opposite the sliding door. music 2ch specifically
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heresy 2502 c2's are the newest of this pro design.
IMO a talk with crites to calm the stock drivers would be a must. The 2502 C2's will pierce your ears. In a heresy size cab they have the most impressive mid horn and driver by size I have seen. Just lovely. What was built in your kp250's and 250ii's are never to be changed and normally the networks neither but in this case you would be good to try. Also and eq is in every room where sound counts even if its not in use would likely help.
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No pics of the perfect corners. Perfect corners are heaven sent. Nice place anyhow
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Klipsch is a set bar nearly no matter what. This said close range indoors much can be accomplished with slightly less efficiently than any heritage by way of set or much less.
few watts and small towers are imo much easier and proper for indoor listening than any heritage. The klipschhorn and jubilee both are so much easier to listen to outdoors than in. reference line not premiere are the bank for indoors. 7's or 83's are true indoor hifi. pallidium are very picky and at 6ohms need that not a theater receiver in order to deliver their payload.
Ideas? the klf, and other extended heritage are peaceful indoors but still need AIR. Please help me get my mind straight.
thanks EL
La Scala for PA use.
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To long,didnt read: check your Karst region map.
They might blow them walls down, I'd turn them around for the world(or half the world) to hear and so the walls keep put, unless walls don't matter. Or maybe there's a secret announcement playing on them and you or they want to hear that announcement really LOUD. Nobodys holding on for dear life so they must not be playing, just sitting there to see. Then again might be rolling by and you snapped a pic at the right moment. The trailer, 600's sitting on wood with metal framing on rubber tyres filled with standard air sitting on 8" thick concrete with Arkansas soil aimed at a target and easily doing so. The concrete may crack.
If you hook up more be careful. you might want seismic graphs to prove they do disturb the ground. Caution, check the earth topology for possible damage and danger of sinkholes. Prepare if no caution is taken. Keep valuable in a safe place. The 600's may fall into the earth if not stabilized properly.
furthermore the infrastructure should be periodically inspected and maintained. your safety may depend on it