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10 hours ago, thebes said:
They look like a bargain until you go to buy the recommended active xover which is well over $1 k, then, of course, you must simply have the TAD drivers, which are what $2k?
Tsk, tsk, tsk.
Where can I find the TAD drivers I keep hearing about?
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1 hour ago, DrWho said:
You can always add "false walls" to the khorn....or basically build a room corner for them to sit in so that the flare of the bass bin is finished without using your room's corners. And then you can place them anywhere in the room.
If you're going to pull the khorn out without the false corner thing, then you should just get the lascala since it sounds better in that configuration. Just make sure you get a potent subwoofer to make up for that bottom 1.5 octaves you're missing.
Or just get the Jubilee - getting a passive xover made for you is easy if you don't wanna deal with the active route.
My K-horns do have the closed backs already because they are the 70th anniversar edition. It's not at all that they sound bad and I tried bringing them close it made them sound MUCH worse. As I said I'm pretty sure the reason I'm not getting the big soundstage I am looking for is because the room is too small for them and I am sitting too close. I've come to this conclusion because when I did try to bring them closer to me the soundstage just got smaller and smaller.
I am also going active crossover with the jubilees. I already actually ordered the crossover I'll be using.
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Congrats on the sale, whoever got em is very lucky! I knew they would go quick!
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22 minutes ago, Lost240 said:
Can you try building a couple false walls for bringing the khorns closer together? They sound like tv speakers because even though yours have closed backs you are still losing the last fold of the horn once you move them away from the corners.
It wasn't even just the bass that sounded thin, it was everything. I don't think bringing them closer will solve the issue. I think the only way to get them to reach their full potential would be to put them in a bigger room.
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4 minutes ago, thebes said:
Silly rabbit. You said in an earlier post that there is a pipe in the way of one of your Khorns.
If you are unwilling to to move that pipe, no matter what it takes, to properly tuck that bad boy into a corner, then that makes you a lazy audiophile. Now this good for rationalizing buying Jubs but which means you've never really, really, really worked on bringing out the magic of Khorns.
That's a main water pipe going into the house, I checked theres no way to move it and also my K-s have closed backs so I really don't think it's affecting them too much.
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2 minutes ago, thebes said:
Khorns Pluses:
Proven sound machines with stellar acoustics
Will make your pants bulge with the right music
Refined over 70 years
Can knock squirrels out of trees
Negatories:
Need serious effort to make them sound right
Can strip the music bare and leave it wanting
Can be bright but can also be overdriven
Do not treat lazy audiophiles well who think the world is plug and play
Jub Pluses:
Massive soundstage and presence
They can give you a tube experience without tubes
Can make your girlfriends pants bulge (er, I think I need to work on this one)
Created by the only true genius left at Klipsch Corp.
Reward lazy audiophiles by sounding great without much work
Negatories:
Colossally ugly
Need convoluted suspect passive xover design
With active xovers they are anathema to any concept of a simple signal chain
Suffers from being the bastard stepchild or Klipsch Corp.
Because of the crossover question they must be considered a different approach to sound from The Founder's decades of thinking on sound reproduction.
I don't think there ugly at all I think they actually look amazing but everything else I agree with! That huge sounstage is what I am looking for!
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2 minutes ago, RSVRMAN said:
I did an absolute insane amount of reading before I ordered my jubilees. (And I'm still not done) I have not heard khorns and really had to go after it to find the info. Thankfully everyone on this forum that has them was very kind to explain how they sound, how they set theirs up and how they use them. Without their advice I would still be undecided on what to get and may have bought khorns. I never intended my post/thread to become as popular as it did, but with well over 4000 reads and I haven't even received them, shows the thirst for them. I'm hoping future prospects can use that thread as a starting point and go from there.
I wish klipsch would start marketing them in a consumer line. I'm not sure if they are or are not better as I'm going on everyone else's subjective opinion. Though selling something that is unchanged with 70+ years of heritage is a lot easier to market than educate the masses about the jubilee. My $.02
What dealer did you go through to order yours?
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It's more than just the midrange and all that though it's also the bass horn! The way the Jubilee has it firing into the room is going to be a lot better for my room as well. The K-horn with the design that uses the walls is a good design of course but not for my room. I've got way too many obstructions around both of them that I am sure is messing with the bass. Even though I will say the bass they create is very good! I know exactly what your talking about when you say the pressure from the bass in the room. I felt the exact same thing with the song Goodnight Saigon by Billy Joel.
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7 minutes ago, Coytee said:
When I had my Khorns, I stumbled onto a spot where they sounded FANTASTIC! This spot was 30 feet away (I measured) After I had the Jubilee's for a while, I went to that spot to hear how much more fantastic they could sound....and interestingly.... they didn't sound any better. The Jubilee's sounded just as good 30' away as they did while standing 10' away. Perplexed, I attributed it to their having an aligned signal inside the active crossover. It was later explained (and proven to myself) that it had nothing to do with the signal alignment...but rather, it was going from a 3-way down to a 2-way and losing that crossover point. Now, from (around) 400hz on up, everything was coming out of the single horn on top. Coherence and intelligibility went way up AND, I had this increased quality of sound from about 10' from the speaker rather than having to stand 30' away. It was a real eye-opening moment for me.
As I like to sometimes say...when PWK created the Khorn, he has how many years of experience building horn speakers? I don't pretend to know the answer but I'm guessing it's zero. When he set out to create the Jubilee, he had 50 years of experience behind him.... do you think it's reasonable that he learned a trick or two in those 50 years?
I was once over at someone's house. They had been to mine and heard the Jubilee's. He wanted me to hear his Khorns....he cranked them up (to pants flapping levels) It was the first time I heard it.....the congestion in the sound. The Juibilee, with its 2" throat will match the Khorn for volume and keep the quality of sound on a much higher level. Hands down Jubilee. But (says a casual reader) I don't listen to it at pants flapping levels, I listen at low levels! Fine... then you will still come to love the coherence of the sound coming together much closer than the 3-ways.
I don't know where you get that idea nor why you keep perpetuating it...
I did however, decide to buy the Jubilee after about a 30 second audition (the intro to "Hotel California") Once I heard that drum kick pressurize the room, it was all over. It was an amazing experience. Came home, listed the Khorns for sale and they were gone by that next weekend. I've not missed them since.
I have to say that you really do bring up an incredible point about how when PWK made the K horns he really didn't have much experience vs when he made the Jubilees and I will admit when I was on my quest to buy K-horns I did get messages from a couple people saying I should get Jubilee's instead but being hard headed that I am I had a one track mind and was set on the K-horns. Like I said though not that they are bad at all by any means I just do believe they probably aren't the best match for my room.
Also I never knew you could buy brand new Jubilee's as I mentioned I thought those were only to be custom built. Klipsch really shouldn't hide the pro gear section lol. Well I guess they don't really hide it, now that I know where it is it's pretty much in plain sight I just always overlooked it before.
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2 minutes ago, Ceptorman said:
It's amazing how a little change can effect the sound. A recent home remodel doubled the size of my living room. I then played with speaker location quite a bit, they sound better being placed wider apart.
From what I understand the Jubilee's are a lot less picky when it comes to placement aren't they?
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2 minutes ago, Ceptorman said:
Aaron....you need a bigger room, a bigger house
Just throwing a little humor your way.
Coytee has a preference for the Jubilees.
Lol, ya someday! It's funny though because the La Scala's were completely different. I put those much closer to me than the K-horns and they sounded great with a huge soundstage. The K-s though when I put those where the La Scala's were it's like I'm listening to a tv speaker.
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The question is, would the jubilee's sound better..
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53 minutes ago, jason str said:
If the backs are sealed you should be able to adjust the distance apart, not the best position for the design but a better alternative than you are currently dealing with.
47 minutes ago, Lost240 said:I learned very quickly that the placement is crucial with the Khorns. I set them 13 feet apart at first and everything sounded like it had a sock over it. The sound was small and muffled. No matter where I sat it really didn't help. I would play with the distance as @jason str mentioned. With your new subs you won't be lacking in the bass department.
Ya, tried different placement's the closer I bring them to me the smaller and thinner the soundstage got. I can definitely tell that in a larger room these things would be killer because I can see that the farther away I get the bigger the soundstage and richer the sound becomes. The best place by far is with them all the way in the corners.
After trying that out I can say with almost 100% certainty that the reason it's not sounding how I want is because my room is too small for them.
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2 minutes ago, Lost240 said:
But, I would love to hear the Jubliees if you get them!
19 minutes ago, Grizzog said:Thanks! It's true! Haha
If you get those Jubilees...I'd love to hear them!
Definitely!
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2 minutes ago, Lost240 said:
I learned very quickly that the placement is crucial with the Khorns. I set them 13 feet apart at first and everything sounded like it had a sock over it. The sound was small and muffled. No matter where I sat it really didn't help. I would play with the distance as @jason str mentioned. With your new subs you won't be lacking in the bass department.
Ya, I guess that's definitely worth a try before I go and buy more speakers lol.
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1 minute ago, Lost240 said:
I was going to say the same thing. I have mine 19 feet apart and I am 13 feet back and it is borderline too close, but I have a wall behind me and that is as far as I can go. Any closer and the sound starts to get closed in.
I have a wall behind me as well, this is as far back as I can go too.
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1 minute ago, jason str said:
Way too close if they are 21 feet apart, use the triangle method with the horns either aimed slightly in front of you or slightly behind (to taste).
I do have them aimed slightly behind me. I have them toed in to taste. Since they are closed back I don't have them perfectly in the corner, also because one wall has a pipe preventing me from that.
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1 minute ago, Grizzog said:
Well, if you get the Jubilees, there's nowhere else to go from there (at least in a normal home). You wouldn't have to worry about if it gets any better!
Love the sig!
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4 minutes ago, Lost240 said:
How far back are you sitting?
I'm sitting a good 10 feet back from them. I would definitely still keep the jubilee's in the corners too. Hell, if I did this I may not even sell the K-horns I mean they are 70th anniversary edition!
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2 minutes ago, bcarey13 said:
I think I have read a number of times that khorns sound best with ceiling heights of 9' + and of course with corners. My room has 14-15' vaulted ceilings and the khorns sound amazing in there. Of course, if I could get a set of Jubilees instead I would probably do it in a heartbeat.
Ya, I've heard from many people the Jubilee's are absolutely incredible and not even the K-horn can compare. I mean lol look at that horn on that thing! I have to say when buying the K's I really didn't have much info on the Jubilee's and I didn't know you could buy them directly from Klipsch. I think I kind of jumped the gun when buying the K's but the good thing at least I am hoping is if I do decide to get the jubilee's I will be able to sell the K's probably for the same amount I paid.
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3 minutes ago, babadono said:
When you are listening to music 2 channel or 2.1 does the Emotiva synthesize a third center channel signal? Just wondering if you have a "hole in the middle"
I am not sure what you mean by that I put it in Stereo mode and it's 2 channel no sub. It sounds amazing, definitely does not sound like there are any holes in the center or anything like that. It sounds like the music is coming from right in front of me, in fact when I first got the Emotiva and set it to 2 channel I had to get up and physically make sure the center wasn't playing because it sounded like it was. I have no problem with the imaging of the speakers or anything like that.
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1 minute ago, bcarey13 said:
Hey Aaron, I have not heard the Jubilees(but want to)..(we had a discussion already about them)
One of the things I learned about the Jubilees(correct me if I'm wrong) but they do better in smaller rooms and with lower ceilings than the Khorns do. I think you said your ceiling weren't all that high in your room at one point.
Ya, they are only 7 feet to be exact and another thing I really like as I said is the Jubilee's don't require corner placement. I hadn't heard that the Jubilee's sound better in smaller rooms but it makes sense since they don't require corners.
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17 minutes ago, Lost240 said:
What is your room size and how far apart are your Khorns?
The room is 21x19 and the K-horns are in the corners on the long wall so they are about 21 ft apart.
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3 minutes ago, babadono said:
You've gone down the rabbit hole my friend, you can never return!
Seriously I'll wager your KHorns sound spectacular. And look a lot nicer than the warthogs.
They do sound amazing, extremely refined just not quite as big of a soundstage as I thought they would have. I'm not sure if all K-horns are like this or it's just the newer ones but mine definitely have a very laid back sound compared to other Klipsch speaker's I've heard. Seems like they tried to do away with that in your face huge presence I've come to know and love.
Jubilee's vs K-horns
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I may have already ordered a pair..