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They never used it! That’s a shame but I have dats and I get it.
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5 hours ago, wvu80 said:
I don't understand your design concept. In other words, what is your acoustic goal? Clarity at low volume TV listening levels? High performance chest thumping sound at 105 db for listening to your music? A pleasant sound for medium listening?
It sounds like you want to create a center speaker just because you have some leftover parts from another project. You haven't addressed the crossover at all. What do you have in mind to use for a crossover?
I'm asking those questions not to argue but to help you articulate your thinking process to yourself. I can see you putting a lot of time and money into a center speaker project that essentially is going to cost a lot and not sound very good for your intended purpose. Kind of like putting a motocross engine with a lot of torque into a road race bike which needs a lot of horsepower at high RPM. You could do it but it won't win you any races.
Yes, you are right the leftover parts initiated this thought process, that and and a long standing belief that Klipsch should have a Heritage style center. I also think that the visual presentation if I made it look like a factory item would be really cool! I thought I might use a La Scala Crites crossover so that the cutoff frequencies are the same for LSII drivers. I mainly listen to music 2.1 so the center would be for movies and 5.1 content which can include live concert video. It doesn't need to dig as deep as a La Scala, which doesn't dig to the lowest frequencies anyway. I enjoy building things and the creative process, not always taking the most practical path to get there. I had built a playhouse for the kids with 5.1 sound, heat and AC. It was a little over the top but I enjoy the process. I like the sound of the RC64 which I see you have as well. I can repurpose it to another set up in the house. This project just popped in my head, so I'm a ways away from executing it. Figure cost could be $800-1000 using my existing drivers.
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I'm using an 18" sub, looking to make something that really stands out, something that Klipsch should have made but hasn't (yet). I can make the top cabinet less high than the one on the La Scala, the cabinet can be wider than a La Scala, just not as tall. Pics of your DIY?
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8 foot ceiling, I'd like to keep to TV where it's at. I'm a proficient woodworker but need to figure out the math prior, the top cabinet will be straight forward. The woofers would be separated from each other.
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I have La Scala midrange and tweeter components left over after modifying my La Scala II speakers. I am currently using a RC64II as a center. I was thinking of building a folded horn type center speaker with 2 smaller woofers instead of a 15" to reduce the height of the speaker below the TV height. The 2 woofers would be side by side and the front of the cabinet would look like 2 smaller La scala/Belle type cabinets fused together. My question would what do you all think the smallest woofer to utilize and still benefit from the folded horn "dog house" type cabinet enclosure. 10" would be best for overall cabinet dimensions but i'm afraid they wouldn't emit the necessary punch in this arrangement. Any thoughts????
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On 7/17/2017 at 11:45 AM, Frzninvt said:
What a shame to have a totally mis-matched center with La Scala II's. Ditch the shelf and put the TV on a La Scala II center or mount it on the wall.
I find it not that shameful and the esthetics of my family room come into play with this set up. The RC64II keeps up and this is not a large room. TV was moved from the shelf to wall to accomadate new center. Until Klipsch comes out with a Heritage alternative this is how I must roll.
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1 hour ago, wdecho said:
I've said this many times and some on this forum and say "you cannot do that" but I just do say it. Throw some L-pads on the mids and tweeter and tailor the sound to your taste. Cheap and not hard to do and I can almost guarantee it will solve the shouty problem. If not, not much blood lost.
https://www.parts-express.com/Search.aspx?keyword=l-pads&sitesearch=true
Can you explain what an l pad is and how you install? Thanks!
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I just purchased new La Scala II's . I am a long time Klipsch fan and I have some experience with La Scala's. I thought that perhaps a new Crites CT120 tweeter might be a sonic upgrade for the stock tweeter. I already have these tweeters waiting to install. I also ordered Bob Crites new A-55G driver. I find the midrange too shouty and I'm hoping this new driver helps improve things. I had La Scala I's back in college for 2 weeks and returned them for Cornwall II's due to the LS's lack of deep bass and shouty midrange. I still have the Cornwalls. With the advent of subwoofers obviously the bass issues aren't a problem and I love the LS midbass. Anyway, I was thinking of swapping out my stock 401 horn for the wooden tractix Fastrac horn. I'm hoping it will also improve sound and by being much shorter than the stock horn I would not need to enlarge the hole in the back of the La Scala to accomadate the larger A-55G. Does anyone here have thoughts, ideas or experience with these modifications? I know I'm messing with PWK's sacred designs so I hope I don't get jumped on but I know what sounds right to me. I've always loved the design of the La Scala's and I'm committed to making this purchase work for me.
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On 5/16/2017 at 8:50 AM, jjptkd said:
Have you considered buying a Palladium sub? I've never heard one but know that the older RSW / RT line of subwoofers are very musical and would probably blend better than the new subs.
I'm a fan of big power amps, even if only a few watts get sucked of the top most of the time. I've never had the P-37's but did have the smaller P-17's for awhile and they certainly needed a lot more volume to get sound out of them, probably more than any other Klipsch speaker I've owned.
I use to joke around about being able to run my old Chorus II's with an alarm clock radio and probably rarely put more than 4 watts into them but to really crank them up and push them it took about 300 watts. They sounded extremely good with just a few watts but I needed a lot more to get that chest thump feeling out of them.
P37's sucks up the juice for sure.
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8 hours ago, jjptkd said:
I personally feel the new forte III with the new and improved mid horn will be (and should be) the death of the Cornwall III. It's time to either move to a Cornwall IV with a larger mid horn or just plain put it to rest. Honestly though, I'd much rather see a Chorus III than a new Cornwall IV unless the Cornwall IV reverted back to the Heritage style k-77 tweeter and k-55 mid driver along with a larger style mid horn. These are just my opinions, take them as you will.
I also agree with the above statements about figuring out why your current Palladiums aren't up to task, I'd have to think they'd easily outperform the RF-7 II's. The Palladiums are 4 ohm I believe? and have a much lower sensitivity rating meaning they would benefit greatly from a quality, high powered amplifier.
I do believe they outperform the RF7's. I guess they just don't dig deep enough and there's a "gap" between the subs and the speakers that I can seem to eliminate, tried different crossover points, switching phase etc. I think I'm used to a larger woofer punch from the main speaker and not relying as much on a sub to compensate. I am powering them with a 130 watt Arcam surround receiver, I have a slightly less powerful Arcam powering my Cornwall II's and I'm very pleased with the sound. I also tried them with my Hafler XL600 and I like the Arcam sound better. I'd love to see a Cornwall IV with 1" MDF cabinet and a bad case of the mumps......
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Thanks for the feedback. The RF7II's were with the 2 subs in the past in the family room. I thought the RF7's sounded more balanced with the subs than the Palladiums. That said, I like the separate mid/highs on the Palladium. I think if I had purchased the Palladiums 39's with the three 9" woofers I would have been happy. When Palladium was deeply discounted I pulled the trigger on the 37's. I've been having a difficult time totally embracing them. The company Hifi Heaven is willing to give me $600 more than I paid for them on a trade in for a brand new pair of Cornwall III's. (i.e. $4000 for the Palladiums which I paid $3400) I'm hoping the Forte III's come out soon so I can get a quote on a trade in for them. I want my next move to be my last for a while.
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I have 3 Klipsch systems currently in my home. Palladium 37F's in the family room with 2 RSW15 subs, Cornwall II's in the basement and Rf7II's also in the basement to jam on my drums with. I'm thinking about selling my 37F's and picking up either Cornwall III's or perhaps Forte III's for the family room. I've only heard Forte I's back in college when I had first bought my Cornwall II's. I thought the Cornwalls blew them out of the water. My question is two fold: 1. Are the Cornwall III's as inferior as many a thread on here imply? (Bad crossover frequencies, underwhelming midrange and boomy, resonant cabinets are mentioned). 2. Do you think the Forte III's would be the better fit when combined with the two 15" subs I already have? Theoretically I'd be getting the better midrange, a tight punchy 12" direct firing woofer with the added bass of the passive radiator and dual subs. The three 7" woofers in the Palladiums just don't seem to "move the air" like I've grown accustomed to all these years of being a Klipsch fanatic. Any thoughts would be appreciated, especially from those few who have heard the Fortes.
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Any thoughts on used Palladium 37's value? Less than one year old. I am not finding anything online for comparables. Used to list for $8000
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I was thinking of selling my less than 1 year old Palladium 37f"s. Thoughts on resale values? Does the scarcity of the product help the value since they were discontinued? Thanks for feedback!
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Tried the Hafler and the sound quality went way down. Rehooked up just the Arcam and sound is amazing. I think I'll take my chances with the Arcam. I am assuming using a separate amp for the HF and LF and having the sub handle everything from 60hz down will take some of the strain off the Arcam (I hope). The RF7's are in the master bedroom now and I'll power them with the Hafler. Would love to buy the whole set up Scrappydue but daughter in college and son in private high school, glad I snuck the Palladiums past the wife!!
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On a more serious note, I've heard that biwiring from a single output may not improve sound but I am truly biamping with my current set up and it sounds great! If I preout to the Hafler, which runs and looks new btw, I will be connecting the biwiring terminals on the back of the Palladiums with the included gold plate and will not be biamped. I will try it and see if I hear any difference positive or negative. Right now it sounds really good, punchy like all Klipsch but really airy midrange which I thought was missing from the two way RF7's. They all sound good loud which worried me with 7" woofers. I've got a 15" Klipsch sub with them. Best sounding Klipsch I've heard without a doubt, thank God because I bought them without listening to them!! That said, if I want more punch the Cornwalls with an 18" sub in the basement are the better choice.
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Haha! I don't think she'd sign off on that!! Maybe only if we put spiked feet on the RF7"s! How do you link pics on here, I tried to link one with my iphoto and it's too much data 2MB?
Thanks for the laugh,
Rick
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Thank you both for your responses. I'm from New Jersey. I got Heresies in 1983, Cornwalls in 1988 and the RF7 II's (which I never really liked) in 2010ish. Also got the 8" woofer outdoor speakers on closeout when they were being discontinued, just like the Palladiums, half price. Sold the original Heresy's but wound up buying a used pair with cane grills like yours Willland to aim at my head when I play drums (with hearing protection of course!) Also Willland, I talked my wife into putting the RF7's in the master bedroom and I showed her your set up listed in your thread to back me up, I said to her, "See, I'm not the only idiot out there".
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I just bought Palladium 37F's and jumped them into a system that had a pair of RF7's. I've been biamping the speakers by utilizing the unused rear effect amp, same as I did with the RF7's. I'm worried that I'm underpowering the Palladiums. I have an Arcam380 AVR, 90W x 2 channels, 75W x 7 channels. With the RF7's being 8ohms and the Palladiums being 4ohms, do I run the risk of frying the receiver or worse the speakers. I've tried to read some technical threads and articles about the 4ohm/8ohm discrepancy but get lost in the jargon. Can I preamp out just the low frequency channel to a separate amp. (I have an old Hafler XL600 I could utilize for this purpose.) I'm not looking to spend any $ at this time on equipment upgrades, I didn't even want to spend the money on the speakers but at the discounted price I pulled the trigger. Any advice would be great. BTW, the sound improvement between the RF7's and the Palladiums is dramatic.
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