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What would be a good center channel match with using RF 82's for my front speakers.. I have heard other people ask what would be a good match when
putting together a surround sound system... Does it really matter if i use a Polk or a cheap kilpsch for a center?.. Or would it benefit in some way using a similar type or wattage?
I don't know yet what I want to use for my rear surrounds.. I just got Elac b6's that are pretty nice or I may just pick up some cheap Klipsch rear speakers off of CL's.
And I'm not going to use a sub because I'm staying in a condo and can't make to much noise.. Right now they sound really good just using the RF 82's for movies.. Without the center channel.
Is a center channel important?.. I know thats where most of the dialog is heard but its sounds really good without it..
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6 hours ago, mattSER said:
Aside from the materials, there is a big difference in the sound profile that each model targets.
The R28F is specifically tuned to deliver a "powerful" sound. The engineers have boosted the bass and treble in the sweet spots that jumps out to your average Best Buy consumer. This compromises midrange quality, dynamics, and realism. The horn design is shallower, reducing the mechanical amplification and sensitivity.
The RF82 is designed to deliver a "flatter" sound. The bass, mids, and treble are, more or less, equal. More realism, stronger dynamics, clearer midrange, etc...
One key advantage to the materials is the cabinet itself. It's much more solid on the RF82 and doesn't make as much noise. This helps to keep the sound transparent and realistic. Also, the woofers are lighter and more rigid giving the bass a much tighter and cleaner sound.
The R28F, with its boosted sound profile, is actually a lot of fun for home theater. When comparing 2 channel music quality, however, the RF82's superiority becomes more and more apparent.
IMO, for a strictly music setup, it's absolutely worth it to upgrade to the RF-82.
Where do you learn about this?.. Sounds like this info came from the speaker designer.. I have looked for super detailed info like this... When I type stuff into the search
I haven't had luck finding this info.. This is a great site i have learned a lot from you and other people in only 1 month..
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I asked this same question if you wanted to see some of the advice I got.. Btw I have the 82's and love them.. But I haven't heard yours so I can't compare..
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Just in case you didn't know thats $359 each.. Because thats not a sale.. Thats what they have cost for 5 yrs.. it's only special because they're available again..
I'm glad which means I will buy another used pair in a few yrs.. If I can't get new.
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Anyone know if the CF-1's are any good?.. I have seen a cheap pair on CL's for months.. I thought I read they are loud but don't have a lot of bass?
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6 hours ago, dbomberger said:
I have a problem that I would like some of you folks opinion about. I have a great set of '77 Cornwalls that I dearly love. But we have recently moved to a different but not really smaller home. However the wall on which I have the TV, Cornwalls, stereo, turntable etc. is maxed out and then some when I have the Cornwalls on each end. I see Klipsch is having a decent sale today on the RF 7II's. I know people love the RF's as well. Their design would fit better, but what about the sound. How in the opinion of those who have heard both, would they sound comparatively?
Thanks in advance.
Del
You can get the RF 82's for $750 online... And if you get the RF-7's and don't like them you can give them to me..
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6 hours ago, dbomberger said:
I have a problem that I would like some of you folks opinion about. I have a great set of '77 Cornwalls that I dearly love. But we have recently moved to a different but not really smaller home. However the wall on which I have the TV, Cornwalls, stereo, turntable etc. is maxed out and then some when I have the Cornwalls on each end. I see Klipsch is having a decent sale today on the RF 7II's. I know people love the RF's as well. Their design would fit better, but what about the sound. How in the opinion of those who have heard both, would they sound comparatively?
Thanks in advance.
Del
They're killer for rock and electronic music!... And movies... But so much different than Cornwalls.. I have the RF 82's and loved once I had to rearrange my living room 4 times to get them to sound good.. If I play something old like the beatles I don't think they sound bad.. But if you're into mostly older music I don't think they're what you would want.. But the RF 82's and RF 7 really come alive and shine with newer or something with a good production.. And of course movies would sound amazing..
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On 11/23/2016 at 10:53 PM, mattSER said:
You're going to look for any model that starts with "RF".
The dual 6.5" models are(oldest to newest):
RF-25
RF-62
RF-62ii
All with roughly equal performance
The dual 8" models are(oldest to newest):
RF-3
RF-3ii
RF-5
RF-35
RF-82
RF-82ii
Again, all being equal with the exception of the superior RF-5.
Any idea what the difference is between the RF-3 and RF-5 they look like they're both a 150 watts which is great.. I thought the RF-3 would be lower wattage..
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2 minutes ago, mattSER said:
Psshh . .... the bass and treble should be flat anyway
Even with out a subwoofer?... I like rock and metal and I want to have it sound like it does at a concert.. It excites me and gives me chills... Even If I listen to the Beatles or music from the 50's I want to hear the bass notes ring out. I understand if someone listens to classical or jazz they don't aim for that powerful sound..
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1 hour ago, IbizaFlame said:
Push the button!
Ya I change my mind I'm not going to use a sub woofer and I will push the RF 82's... But not this much!
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18 hours ago, dwilawyer said:
@Chief bonehead say "push 'em"
I decide that I am going to push them!...
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6 hours ago, Chris A said:
There is an issue with most ported bass (bass reflex) woofers trying to play frequencies below their port resonance frequency. The woofers themselves can "unload" fairly easily if driven too hard--like in the bottom video that you posted. It is also possible to fry the voice coils, i.e., heat the windings on the woofer cone until the glue that holds the coils to the cone softens or otherwise turns loose.
However, assuming that the woofers aren't moving past their designed "xmax" displacement, they can move visibly and basically nothing happens except that it sounds pretty bad and you're heating the woofer's voice coils. If you play them too long at those high displacements above xmax, the woofers will eventually fail, usually due to cone unloading or voice coil heating.
Horses for courses, as they say. Use the right tools for the job. You're right: subwoofers are usually designed to handle very low frequencies without having to move nearly as far as the ELAC B5 video shows. In fact, you want to insert electrical networks somewhere in the input signal path to attenuate those extremely low frequencies that your ported bass woofers are to reproduce.
Subwoofers either are larger diameter than the woofers in your loudspeakers (or simply using two or more woofers)--in order to move more air per unit distance of cone displacement, or the woofers themselves are designed for a higher xmax displacement...or both techniques are employed at the same time.
...Or they are horn loaded to increase their efficiency at producing those low frequencies--so they only have to move about 1/5th the distance as the same woofers not using horns in order to produce the same loudness (SPL) on-axis. However, horns tuned to very low frequencies are usually quite large: to produce 25 Hz using a horn-loaded woofer of conventional design, the horn would have to have a path length from the woofer cone to the mouth of the horn of about 11 feet (1/4 wavelength). See the following thread for more:
Even if you're not damaging the woofers by those large excursions, it doesn't sound very true to the original recorded signal. You produce large amounts of distortion (modulation distortion) which shows up as not-so-pleasant-sounding distortion sidebands on the higher frequencies that are simultaneously being reproduced by the woofers, thus producing opaque and fuzzy sound at those higher frequencies that the woofer is trying to reproduce at the same time.
By breaking up the input music signal into frequency bands, the input music signal low frequencies can be handled by a subwoofer, woofer, and a higher frequency driver or drivers (midrange, tweeter, etc.), respectively, reduces frequency bad-sounding modulation distortion by confining those low frequency/high amplitude portions of the music to the subwoofer, and woofer, etc.
If you can see the woofer or subwoofer moving, then modulation distortion is being produced--in large quantities. It doesn't sound very good.
Chris
Thanks for all the info Chris!..
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I see people on youtube without a subwoofer who are pushing their speakers... So much I'm surprised they aren't blowing them!
I love loud music and don't want to damage or short their life span!.. My speakers have made my life better and I love them..
I back off if they're moving back and forth even little.. I'm going home at X-Mas to get my 12 inch Subwoofer.. So I look forward
to hooking that up and putting my bass and treble flat and letting the sub do all the work.. I don't know the correct term.. But is it ok
to have the speakers moving back and forth???... Aren't you wearing them out or hurting them???
I have include 2 vids below of how much people are pushing them... Check out the 2nd one the Elac speakers!... Thats crazy!
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14 minutes ago, mattSER said:
Yes, RF-3s can be found for $200-350 and are an absolute steal. They have a lean balance with less bass than newer models but very clean, dynamic, and powerful.
RF-35s can be found for $250-400 and are one of my all time favorite models. Beefier balance than RF-3, clean, dynamic, supremely powerful, and sharper/brighter than the more relaxed/refined RF-82.
I'm sure the majority would prefer the 82, so don't take my opinion as fact, but in general, all these models are roughly on par with each other.
Awesome I didn't want to get the new models!... I saw some RF 35's on CL for around $300.. I will look out for them too!.. Thanks.
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6 minutes ago, IbizaFlame said:
The RF-3's can put out some really tight bass if you place them right. There's a reason I own two pair of them instead of the RF-25's I used to have.
Cool good to know!.. Are those 100 watts.. I looked on the site but they didn't say..
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44 minutes ago, mattSER said:
The R28f are on the same level as the old KF28 and F-30 Synergy/Icon models. Lower quality materials, aluminum tweeters (vs titanium in RF82), poly woofers(vs aluminum in RF82).
They lack midrange, boost treble and bass, and bass sounds a bit flabby compared to RF82.
The RP280f is not a huge upgrade over RF82, simply a newer version with some refinements. Even the two older models before the RF82(the RF35 and RF3) still hold up spectacularly against the newer models.
I actually prefer the RF35 over the RF82.. :-)
Cool thanks for the info!.. Because the 82's are $750 vs 280f's are $1,200.. I will keep a eye out for used RF 35 & RF 3's.. I rather get a used than spending $1,200 for the 280's.. Thanks for your input..
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Thanks for the info!... I thought that one was more for theater for some reason.. Whenever I find something I really like they stop making it.. It cost over $500 more than the 82's but if it's the same or better than it's worth it... The 82's got me very excited I got a great deal and they weren't even used or played more than 2 months.. So at some point I would like to try the rp 280f... I see you have the KG 1.5's I just heard those tiny little speakers and thats what made me get the Klipsch... Those are amazing little speakers!.. great bass... Also I heard Forte over 25 yrs ago and I want those too!... Thanks again!
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13 minutes ago, Tasdom said:
They added a limited run here
Speakers>specials>holiday sales
I did see that and thought it was weird it's not even on their front page. You have to hunt for it.. I have a friend who wants the 82's.. but has to save $ first.. I didn't know if the R 28's are the same thing.. I may want another pair if the R 28's aren't the same.
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Its looks like they stopped making the RF 82's does anyone know how the R 28's compare?... I have seen some people say these aren't
good for music.. I think the 82's sound great with anything that has a good production.. Anyone know why people are saying this?.. Matter of taste?
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1 hour ago, Weber said:
I have lost count on how many I have bought, enjoyed, sold, had seller's remorse, searched for more...repeat.
I keep telling myself that I can't keep them all, I have to let some go so that I can experience others.
Wow The chorus II's have a 15" woofer they're massive!.. They look like they are build like a Tank!.. Then they must have as much or more bass than the Forte's???
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2 minutes ago, Grizzog said:
Not 9 pairs of the same...but that's actually a small amount compared to some here.
Altec 19
Chorus II
Forte
Heresy II
Heresy III
KG2.2
RS35
Presonus Sceptre S6
Pioneer CS99-A
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkOh well still a lot... whats your favorite?..
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6 hours ago, Grizzog said:
I've said 1 more pair a number of times. Now I have 9 pairs.
...although some will be sold soon so I still have a home to listen to the others in.
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkOMG!.... 9... That's awesome!.. Do they all sound the same?.. because they're around 25 yrs old. God where in the hell do you put them all.. That must look like a warehouse.. Do you have pics of them?
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9 hours ago, Weber said:
The ones in the ad look to be worth the money, especially if he throws in the cables and if they're close to you. They look better than my first Forte and are priced close to the same. I used them until I got some KLF30, then sold them for what I had in them - then had sellers remorse
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Cons:
They are a little bit rough on the top
Missing badges
Pros:
One could find a something to place on the tops to hide the chew places (cloth, smoked glass, marble)
It's not hard to find badges and the look fine without them
The price is right
Most people price a little high than what they have to have and you might do a little better than the asking price
They are far from what I would call beaters
Last but not least - They are Forte and should sound wonderful
If there's no way you're going to be replacing your next purchase and what you get are going to be in and area where you'll be showing them off, then you might hold out for ones in better condition. A few months ago, I sold a pair of Forte that are in a lot better condition to a fellow forum member for only $80 more than the ones in the ad.
If there is a chance that you'll be able to score and swap out for some in better condition for ~ the same price, then you might buy these to do that....I would.
If they are close, be a tire kicker and go hear them on the equipment that's driving them....you never know.
Cool... ya I'm in no rush, i'm going to wait when I have the $ and find some guy who has used them for playing classical or jazz music out of them.. instead of someone who has beaten them or blasted for 20 + yrs.. They sound like you're at a concert!.. i have the RF 82's and I love them but those have the fullest sound I have ever heard..
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6 minutes ago, Weber said:
Location will have a lot to do with that. What I find on CL is what was sold at BB...you don't want that.
Whats BB?.. I'm not in a rush but they do have one now.. And Have have seen many... I only will allow myself to own 1 more set of speakers.. So I will wait for the right time.. here is one..
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I never thought of using a RF 82 cool idea!