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  1. Droogne
    I was (wrongly) under the misunderstanding that the distance determined the MINIMUM crossover, not one specific frequency. Also, what kind of woofer horn loading are you looking at in your model?
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    Size is actually not a real concern, weight is. My size restrictions are pretty flexible. I don't have a girlfriend or wife so I can get away with almost everything. I live with my brother and I doubt he is gonna mind. I think I can manage up to 100x40x60cm in size for the height channels. I can mount up to 40kg, but I would like to keep that weight down to 30kg to be safe. Price is also not a real concern as that would only mean saving a bit longer. So if only the SEOS30 would work I could live with that. They are only height channels, so they will never ben run seperately for critical listening. I already asked you in another thread what the highest MEH crossover could be, precelisely because I would like to have the same for all speakers, and it looks like 500hz is pretty hard for a height MEH. This begs the question. What would be the best timbre matched setup in your opinion: 1: all 11 using same crossovers points, but having to use a hoger crossover for the mains (let's says the MEH). For example all 11 channels @700hz so that the heights can use the same cross as the ground levels. 2: Ground level at their native 475hz. Heights at an appropriate cross (7-800 for example), but using same high.freq driver etc. I know I have to compromise, but I'm not sure yet where.
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    Did you ever use, or try, a higher crossover? If so, what was the highest it performed well at (or you think it would perform)?
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    @Chris A Another question about custom height channels. I'm looking into a synergy horn that could work, but I cant seem to figure a way to get the crossover down to 500hz. Only option is using a SEOS30, but that one is too big. A SEOS22 could work, but has a crossover that is too high. Other option is to have the synergy use a higher crossover, but then I would kinda lose the advantage of the synergy in polar contral (especially in the smaller horns I would be using). What options do I have if I want to use the same driver (HF200 or 140). Would the horn you once recommended be a better fit? I doubt it, but who knows. (https://www.ebay.com/itm/11-x-17-ABS-2-Bolt-On-Long-Throw-Horn-90-x-40-For-Many-2-Exit-Driver-/331676072699)
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    Ok, I feel kinda embarrassed right now.. I knew those threads and have read through quite a few times.. Just forget they had exactly everything I needed to know. Will try it all out tomorrow!
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    Sorry, I meant: OEM Xilica xp4080. Cant be sure yet it's the same quality, but the person selling it was a reputable seller which also offered real Xilica products. That aside, it might be not as good, but I also need a few processor channels for my rears so at this price Is couldn't really get wrong. Will try to test the Quality over this week. Any way to test this?
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    @Chris A just bought myself a knock-off Xilica 4080, and will be testing it in the next few days. Might try to actively amp my heresy (or Chorusses LR) which I'm using as a temporary center till my LaScalas get here. Just to get the hang of it (and REW). Other option is to use the passives, reset Auddysey and try to configure everything up myself. I only have free time for now, so I can do both and have loads of time to read up on everything, from guides to threads. what what you recommend to learn the whole process? Will of course be basing my initial try outs on your forum guides.
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    I know there are a lot of suggestions out there, but I was wondering if anyone would be able to tell me the exact(/best) specs to look for in a 15" woofer to use in a DIY LaScala bassbin. That way I can look for something reasonably priced locally (I live in Belgium).
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    @Chris A Have been wondering about polar control and seating angle/distance. What is the effect of perfect polar control on this? When people talk about the Jubilee, they always mention the perfect sound across the whole room, not in one hotspot. What would the effect be on seating placement? Would this mean less tooing for perfect sound at the main SP? And better coverage across the whole room?
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    @Chris A I've come up with another solution, which seems to be a lot easier, straight forward and would be a great way to step up. I was so caught up in my K55/K77 driver combo, that I kinda neglected the option to just sell them, and not build the LaScala bins. With the money I save and earn I could directly build my custom height channels with the HF200 driver (on the PH2380 horn), but use them as a center channel between the HF200/K510/LaScala fronts. Later when I have the MEHs I can move the Lascala K510 to the rears, and mount the custom heights. Later I could upgrade those PH2380 horns to K510 horns. I know a non fully horn loaded is a downgrade, but it's only temporary so that's not an issue. Building a horn loaded height channel seems impossible so it will have to be direct firing (except if you know of a horn loaded mid bass cabin that weighs less than 15kg and is within my size restrictions, see below). The plan I have now is: a 40(depth)x70(width)x45(height) (around 80-100L) enclosure with double 10" woofers. A single 12 could also work but I'm height restricted (max 48cm height). Double 12" would be too heavy. It could still work (double 12s) if I find a woofer which can work in a really small enclosure (so less weight) and doesn't weigh too much (around 3kg). For now I was thinking about the Eminence beta 10B, although it seems the Eminence Alpha 12 could also work. Both weigh less than 3kg, have great sensitivity and can work in small enclosures. Eminence even recommends 20-25L for the 12"er. I would mount the horn directly on top of it, so not in the enclosure. That way I can easily swap the horn out for a K510 horn when the day comes. I would use my DCX2496 as crossover.
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    Planning on buying a good crossover for it, but for now the passive will have to do. Might try out the active I have now (which is only a DCX 2496 I know..) to compare them. Depending on that I might upgrade a bit sooner to the Xilica. But for now: 3-way fronts with 2-way centers: best speaker as center or 2-way fronts with 3-way centers: best speakers both in the LCR or 3-way fronts with heresy centers and 2-way centers: best coherence (LCR would be all K55 + K77 mid high)
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    Ok it seems like I'll have to test it making a temporary stand wont be that hard. Makes me wonder about people putting their tweeter next to the mid horn instead of one top. Doesn't that have a similar effect? PS I have the option between a 3-way LaScala (original parts on the PH2380) with active crossover, or my passive K510/HF200 combo. I'm not really sure about the specs of the cross, but this is what Steve (Steve Bedard that is), had to say about it: " "It's a Crites 500Hz crossover. It is a simple design, much like the traditional Klipsch crossovers. Gentle 12Hz/Octave slope. Use of Klipsch autoformers and Sonicap Capacitor." Would you suggest the 3 or 2 way for the center/fronts? I could also use the heresy as a center between the 3-way LaScalas for best coherence.
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    @Chris A As a temporary situation I'm gonna use my LaScala rears as center front and back (so 6.1 instead of 7.1 on the ground). I wasn't planning on building top bins for them, but I I'll need to ,if I want to put my tv on top of it. Brings me to my question: would it be so terrible to put the mid/high horn next to the bassbin, instead of on top of it? Would be almost the same distance, but in the horizontal instead of vertical plane. I know we talked about something similar, but I can't seem to remember if it's just "not ideal", or really a no-go.
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    Just disclosed my first buy via this forum succesfully, so I thought why not put out some feelers for the future? Not urgently looking for these parts, but if anyone is ever looking to sell them (or planning too), hit me up! Very interested! Ultimately looking for: 1) 5-9 Faital HF-200 or 20AT drivers. 2) another pair of K510 horns 3) a pair of K-402 drivers! Important! I'm located in Europe, so I can only do shipping. To be clear, a lot of stuff you guys sell and offer over here is: or never available in Europe OR still cheaper than buying it over here (prices or some products are hugely inflated over here)(the 2x horns I mentioned would have to be shipped from the US, even if I buy them new.. so shipping them second hand is still way cheaper than new). Thanks in advance
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    As always, sublime answer! Don't think I have any questions left in me... Only that if/when I go MEH I might just make a 8x 18" layer below the LCR with a few others spread around the room. Troubles for later. For now I'm putting my money into 2-3 smaller 15" subs to better fill the room. Depending on how everything goes that might be extended to a 4th beneath the couch (VNF, but also very good to help with room modes I thought). Good to know there is no inherent problem with the front firing, fitting in an othorn into my room would be a tough sell ! Maybe as a down firing coffee table What subs were you thinking about?
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    @Chris A, semi related to something I heard you say about the future of your 5xMEH setup and subwoofers, it maybe even has something to do with polar control, not sure. You were talking about raising the MEH from the ground by putting a sub beneath it, I think a horn (like the othorn?). Just some questions: 1) Is there any specific reason for this? Would this couple them in kind of a way? Or is it just because the corner placement would be ideal for both the MEH as the sub (without having any relation between in the specific sound)., OR just because it's a space saving option? 2) Are there any kind of "requirements" for having a front speaker on top of a sub? Both same type? Specific crossovers? 3) Would the sub use the LFE channel, or be a lower extension of the MEHs? Like a 3 way. I might be interested in placing a DIY sub beneath my fronts (because of the way my listening room is positioned, and because I also need to raise my fronts) , in which case I would model the cabin to be a drop in "extension" of the fronts (so it's a steady foundation and looks nice). A horn sub would be ideal, but I'm looking for a couple of subs to take me down to the lower frequencies (sub 20hz) and I was thinking about doing this with front firing sealed ones. A horn sub that goes down this low is too expensive, and too big (although if you perchance know about a design that can do this, and which is maximum 2ft deep and 2,5ft. high, I'm happy to hear about it!). Any reason why not to do this kind of combo? (let's say I have a full LCR MEH for this hypothetical). Maybe some acoustical reason why not or just because of the same principle as explained above by PWK ? (distortion wise)
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    Love what you do man! I just discovered your big post about this on the DIYAudio forum (http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/multi-way/307156-range-synergy-kit-questions-10.html) so I'll be reading through it during my breaks. I see you already have a few people lining up I'm kinda getting convinced that it might be better idea to skip the K402 MEH and get one of yours. Would love to buy one (or 3, or 5 haha) from you. I see you already have a few people who are first in line (after your 5 new ones ofcourse)(What are you doing with the old MEH?). Would it be able for me to get in that line? Like officially If so, could I get a (rough) price? Thanks for being you man haha, learning so much, and hope to get some your craftmanship into my home someday!
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    haha well never mind the MEH height channels then maybe in an ideal situation one could mount them, but my situation isnt that (although if you'd use 2 wall mounts you could get there hypothetically.). Not that it really matters, I dont really know a situation where I would ever want to pump over 3k in a pair of height channels. (although a smaller version with smaller woofers and a higher cutoff (100?) integrated into something like the K510, if at all possible, would be something cool to design) And if you don't me asking, how far along are you with the DIY horn? Dont want to pressure you or anything, especially if you have more important things on your mind, but it looks a cool project. How are you modelling the horn? A replica of the K-402, or a more "self-invented" design? And what is holding up the project? Are you having some design struggles, difficulties in the DIY construction part, or just time? How is it looking so far? Any results?
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    Aight, I'll stick with the eminence woofers then Well only problem I have with that is that it would just not stay affordable if I'd want to try to match my speakers. The faital HF200 looks like a very nice and recommended driver for the K-402, and it's affordable enough to use in all speakers. The BMS would be too expensive for this. And if I would ever to decide to upgrade the drivers in the LCR (so keep the surround etc all HF200 and only upgrade LCR as to keep the change in timbre match as minimal as possible), I would probably go for something even more high end (TAD? JBL with Be extented diaphraghm, Be Radian drivers etc). But upgrading those drivers would be even after upgrading the amps for my LCR. Probably not for a long time, but when the times comes I'll definitely love some guidance in picking some good amps (when going SS I'd probably go for something like the Emotiva XPA6 Gen 3)
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    @Chris A, as I have almost most definetely chosen for a MEH in the near future I might start looking for some of the parts Will probably just use the HF200, but might go with 20AT (as the difference in price is negligible when compared to total cost), but if I can maybe decide on a few good woofers I might look for them on local second hand sites. The eminence kappa 15"ers are good choices normally (don't remember the specific one), but would there a benefit by using something more "high end"?
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    Well I'm using a LaScala center (which costed more than the fronts together) because I wanted a sound as clean as possible I already though the direct firing were a bad idea! Only height appropriate horn loaded bass bin I ever found was the EV TL4025 (http://electrovoice.com/binary/TL4025_Engineering_Data_Sheet.pdf), but it's huge (depth and width wise). I long thought about using direct firing because they looked like the only option for the height problem. But it does feel like stepping down, instead of upgrading.. so Ive finally settled for the MEH als the only real option (and till recently an intermediate with a cheaper one). All thanks to you That plot looks amaaaasing. When I suggest some extra bass bins for beneath the MEH I wasnt really looking for a deeper response, but rather about middbass headroom. As you explained above, that option is a step down. However, would a LaScala bin for the lower bass (beneath 200hz) give that. You talked about this sort of combo (as a different model with smallers woofers instead of the 15"ers.). It wouldn't change my plans a lot, as I have the LaScala bass bin already, and I'm definetely building a "regular" MEH for my center like you did, so I can just try it out and see if I like it more than the regular MEH. However that would mean losing lower end, which is not such a problem as I'd be using them in home theatre, but it would be nice to have. Could you combine the MEH with (1 or even 2) LaScalas (a vertical or horizontal tower) and have the MEH cross the total full range, and have the LaScala bins give an extra bump in the 200-50hz range (because of its polar control up to 200hz)? The HF200 has huge output, but I'm not sure what it's relative to the 15" ers in the MEH. Would the extra 50-200hz range add something, or would it not really amount to anything? Only thing I see being a problem is budget. Crazy though: MEH height channels lol. How much does the MEH weigh? Par chance less than 40kg (90lbs)? Having the need for fewer subs would be awesome, my setup is in my living room and my brother is really forgiving (so not WAF but BAF?), but having that huge horn loaded sub is already a pain in the but with a LCR MEH I could maybe sell that sub and replace it with a pair of smaller sealed 18"ers for the ULF (or convince him let me have an othorn) in the living room
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    Hmm.. If I'd need an expensive horn or need another bin, I'd better hold out for the K-402. Just struck a deal on the sale of my current LaScala II center, so I actually have the budget to build the MEH (with a brand new horn). Got a few options if I can't build an intermediate full range MEH. 1: I dont use a center speaker for a while. 2: I use one of my heresys as a center, and use the other one as a rear center (a 6.1 config). In both cases I'll just have to wait till I can find a K-402 for cheap somewhere. 3: I buy a brand new K-402 (but it would use all money I gain from selling my center, which I was hoping to put towards the Xilica and my K-402 fronts). Thanks again for keeping me away from inferior setups In any case, it seems like I'm gonna wait till end of february to decide what I'm gonna do. The sale of my Lascala would only go down around that time so it's not like I have the budget to buy a K-402 till then. Additional question. What would the effect be if you'd add some regular front firing bass bins beneath the MEH center? Would it be impossible to integrate? Or wouldn't there be any real additional effect? Not really considering it, just an afterthought (one I had because I would need to raise the MEH if I want the tv on a decent height (although even a 12" bassbin underneath it would destroy the height advantage of the MEH, as the tv would be too high again). If I like the MEH I'll probably use it on my fronts too, and maybe even integrate it with my LaScala bins (and maybe even the center if I ever decide to switch from my OLED to a big AT project screen). (thought keep popping into my head). If I'd want to boost the midbass, could I use 2 LaScalas next to each other with the MEH/regular K-402 on top. Or do the horn mouths need to be in each others extension (in which case: would 2 LaScalas on their side next to eachother work, and still hold that 200hz pattern you spoke about).
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    Would you be able to recommend a really cheap intermediate (like my PH2380), that would work? (I know you said something about the slot and use above 4kHz, but I'm not sure how to translate that into picking a good horn. You recommend something really cheap, but unavailable in Europe). Here is the list of P Audio drivers (http://www.paudiothailand.com/pac/index.cfm/products/high-frequency-horns/) , something that looks like it could work? (with the emphasis on "work", perfection would not be chased with this horn). Then I'd have a"tryout" before I'd need to cut into the expensive K-402. I'd use the same driver (HF200), woofers (not decided on) + MDF mounts, and I would already build the appropriate box (with a temporary adjusted front plate) for when I can get my hands on the real deal. I know you already explained it to some extent, so it would be possible right? Would give me the option to already start on the MEF project (instead of having to wait till I have the capital) + maybe I can go from this cheap version to your adjusted DIY mold
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    Well cant argue about the cost and attached driver. If it as good as you say then I probably keep upgrading till I have 7 (or 11), so a better priced option without driver would be amaaaaazing! Would be the best new years gift I can imagine
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    No problem Would be quite te hassle too, I agree. Hope he can get them!
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