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That sounds great for business, but it is horrible. Realtors rely on volume, not price, and right now inventories are low so deals are rare. She need to be out chasing listings. They are gold because they sell immediately without effort. I represent a lot of real estate firms and deal with brokers all the time. I always encourage them to focus on the listings. Listings will produce buyers, brokers need their names on signs all around town.

Yes, but then the entire nation of Italy does as well. You also can get from beets. The green ones are usually fresh, but not always. In the best movie ever made, My Cousin Vinny, there is a priceless line where Vinny (the attorney) asks a southern witness if he was cooking instant grits at the time in question, to which the southerner responded haughtily, "No self-respecting southerner cooks instant grits." I similarly can say that no self-respecting Seattlite would make lasagne with raw pasta. For that matter, calling Lasagne noodles will get you kicked out of most bars here too. A lasagna is a single wide piece of pasta, and more than one lasagna are called lasagne. But please don't call them noodles. Seriously you can get them at most grocery stores. I make my own when I have the time. And even when I make my own, they got into the boiling water for 30 seconds to a minute. I don't know why those are the rules, but they are. I'll ask Marcella Hazan next time I see her.

Yeah, and that houses are a place to live, not an investment. Glad they have such a cool place. The median home price in Fircrest is $358,000. The national median is $188,900. Bet you did not realize that you grew up in such a high end neighborhood.

When I talked to Jim the Klipsch historian about my history table, he was very excited about it. But he said that I would have to sign a nondisclosure agreement to see anything. I told him that I would be happy to, but it seemed kind of odd when we were discussing old speakers. Then Klipsch corporate kicked me out of the Facebook Klipsch group, so I turned my attention to the subwoofer of insanity.

That is not even the good one. We got lucky and bought before the first bubble. The real estate values here are totally nuts now. Seattle's median home price is $757,000. I feel for real people trying to find a place to live. And our rents are nuts too. I have a client with a 76 unit apartment building downtown. The rent is $2,150 for a studio and $3,400 for a two bedroom. And they are full. Just insane, but another crash is coming, and it will be bigger than the last.

Well, I have learned a lot over the last week. More than I did in months of research before. The answer is a tube with opposing drivers at each end. Boring except that these will not be your normal drivers. They will be SI HS-24 MK II. Great 24-inch drivers for $1,275 each, or a lot less than 6 18 inch drivers. And for he tube I will use Shapes unlimited because they are half an inch thick and more substantial than cardboard. I was confused so I called Nick at SI, and he confirmed that the HS-24 specs call for 16-20 cubic feet of air for a ported HS-24, and that it would be doubled for two of them. But he said that the HS-24 is so flexible it can be used in smaller spaces. I asked him if anyone had ever set up a pair with 32-40 cubic feet, and he said not to his knowledge, but he would really like to see one. I told Nick I would have it all measured and send him the data when I am done. And that made it come together for me. Not as in I am going to start building tonight. I still have so much more to learn and will have so many more parts to get, but at least I know what I need to learn,and I feel like i am on firmer ground heading somewhere real. I suspect that I will have $5,000 into it before I am done, and I know I could get a lot more subwoofer somewhere else with that money, but where would the fun be? Of course, it if works, I will have to make another. You can't have just one subwoofer. I took the WinISD program and entered all the data I could find for the HS-24 MII, and this is what it showed.

Just another cold, wet, soggy day in Seattle.

@Arrow#422 I have made several tries through different channels at Klipsch and been told that information is not available to me. I have no idea if they have it or not. I kind of tend to doubt it.

If we do, I have not seen it, and I have tried to look everywhere. And it seems that this is so specific and the people who want CF-4s want them so much and will go to such lengths to get them that it deserved its own space. If not, someone can move or kill it. It just felt like a different topic to me.

OK I found over 1000 meanings for FOS. And I am not going read every one.

OK for our first post, I am pretty certain that the only live CF-4 at the moment is in St. Louis on CL. But it is only available as part of a $2,600 deal. I tried pretty hard to wrestle it loose. You are free to give it a try. https://stlouis.craigslist.org/ele/d/unique-2-channel-home-stereo/6443794582.html

It occurred to me that we have enough people who want a CF-4 that we ought to have a place share intelligence, cooperate and triangulate. I am assuming that we all share the sentiment of finder's right of refusal, but we also agree that when a deal is not possible, it is preferable for another member to get it than for some butler to come pick it up for someone with more money than love for music and put it in a speaker museum forever. And perhaps this could be a place for us to discuss all the wonderful tings about CF-4. I guess that CF-3 are welcome as well, and perhaps a mint CF-2 with Crites upgrades, but I trust we will not be hearing about that other one. Now let's go find some.

Yeah, the thing is a CF-1 is like the obnoxious little brother of CF-4 who always wants to hang around. I mean 2 8 inch woofers and a 1" tweeter? I mean my center has 2 8-inch woofers and a 1.75'' magnetically shielded, titanium diaphragm compression driver. And as it says, 'honey, if you can't keep up with me, maybe you should go play in the street." I mean out of desperation, I would sully myself with the 10-inch woofer of the CF-3, but it would know that I didn't really love it and would send it off the eBay the moment a CF-4 came around. It is a sickness, but I am not the only one with it, and we are proud.

He did, and they are. I am using them as my basic guide. I seem to be going outside the lines, but those are amazingly helpful. OK OK I will get a kit and put it together. I may not enjoy it, but I will do it and post a picture for proof. Veneer is not all that difficult in that there are not a lot of skills to be learned, but it is unforgiving. I think it is a dive in kind of thing. But some cheap veneer and practice. You will get better quickly, but not good enough for a La Scala any time soon. I have tons of resources if you want them. Remember that saying about measure twice, cut once? The guy who made it up was a veneer specialist.

I am just going to pull the tweeters on any speakers I sell to the older ones here. They'll never know the difference.

That is what I thought but in DIY forum, someone suggested the opposite. The idea of a cardboard subwoofer kind of bothers me. A comp[any called Shapes Unlimited has a fascinating product. The say We stock a substantial inventory of geometric convolute shapes and spiral cores. From 3" diameter to 48" diameter spirals or any one of our unique geometric convolutes. Shapes Unlimited carries the stock inventory for your quick ship. We can also fabricate and finish to your exact specification. If a special non-stock spec is required, we can also run to your requirement. Our fiber tubes are wax-free and made from multiple layers of heavy-weight fiberboard. Their laminated construction makes them strong and allows you to combine sections of tube with plywood, solid stock, or particle board to create attractive components with radius corners. Every geometric shape can be finished with high-pressure laminate, paint, or wood veneers. With the wood veneer option, you could make something beautiful.

@Ceptorman it is all that practice.

Yeah @dtel that is why I said "per YouTube." I wold not trust them in general, and I am skeptical that I have the hearing of 35 year old. My kid has a great gaming headset and maybe I will borrow it.

I can hear 16000 Hz, but not 18000 at all per YouTube. Then again I am 53, but I have always been young for my age. My wife says I am still a kid and that she has three boys. Try this, kind of cool.

I know that, but is that too thick? Do we want thinner or thicker walls? And at what length? Schedule 40 is .365 at 10 feet and .5 inches at 16 feet.

Out of curiosity, why Schedule 40 and not 80? I can break schedule 40 and it gets brittle over time, but schedule 80 is totally different. If you wanted mass, Schedule 120 would provide it. Someone on Alibaba has clear 20 inch pipe that looks like 40 or higher. That might be fun. A see-though subwoofer.

Thanks. 18 cubic feet would be 31,104 cubic inches. Very few subwoofer boxes would have anywhere near that. My imaginary 6 foot by 20 inch tube would have 22,608 cubic inches or 13 square feet. 18 cubic feet would be 3x2x3 feet, and that inside. They do not have kits for round subs that I could find, and certainly not 6 foot kits. It really seems like other than guy that @cincymat found, no one has tried this.

@cincymat I have long considered myself to be a Google master. Legal research is all done online now with Boolean search terms, and I spend at least an hour day on it. Most of my Google searches use Boolean connectors too, and almost never find anyone who even knows they exist. But after hours of searching, I did not find that article, so I have to say that you are an amazing googler.

He claims it is world class. I sent him an email, and we shall see. That is an excellent point. And it reminds me of a saying I have been drilling into my poor little kids for much of their lives. "If it is not worth doing wrong, it is not worth doing at all." Most people resist that and say i have it backwards, that is should be "If it is worth doing, then it is worth doing right." But just about everything is worth doing right. The question is do you care enough to try something that you are willing to accept failure. I take on all of my crazy projects completely prepared to accept failure. It isn't really failure so much as negative information. Oh, that does not work after all. Now crappy sub would suck, but if it could be fixed, that would be something. Thomas Edison famously failed over 1,000 times before finding tungsten. A lot of people would just want to get a good sub out this. I just want to figure out if the idea works. Weird I know, but sometimes I just gotta be me.

It is cool until you approach everything with original thinking. I am constantly fighting the way things are, and it is not really a good habit. Then again, nor is cocaine, but some people seem to like it. I frequent about 5 forums including this one, AVS and some focused on subwoofers. I have found people here to be more receptive to unusual ideas and more helpful across the board. I like the people I have met here more than the ones I have met elsewhere. I have tried to limit my questions to Klipsch matters, but the subwoofer forum seems to be more focused on other brands, so I went off the reservation so to speak. No one on any other forum has mentioned the link that @cincymat provided, and that is the most helpful thing I have found so far. In any event, point taken.