Trouble maker

I also would agree. When I originally started to look at upgradeing, I first looked at Klipsch. The salesman steered me towards Energy. After several sound tests I went with RF-3's. I did unfortunatly go with the Energy Encore 8(wife liked it's smaller size & as per normal in these things made the choice). I am now looking at replaceing the Sub with something better from Klipsch. Go for the best fronts and add the best components as the money trail allows. Rcvr Denon 4802 RF-3 RC-3II RB-3

Yes you do want to move some of that hot air away from the unit. I have a 4802 and can attest to its heat output. Up on the Denon FAQ site they refer to fan usage when placing the unit in a confined area. It's not as if the unit will melt down immediatly if not kept cool, its just that the heat will shorten the units life. Good luck with your system Denon AVR 4802 RF-3's front RC3II center RS3's Side

I've got a 4802 with the RF-3's and there is a hiss. Faint but a hiss. I have not started to search out what gives. I do know that part of it is the efficencies of the RF-3's. Never heard any noise with my original AVR-3000 with a set of original Bose 601's. But then again! I hope to be able to do a better noise/hiss check this weekend with no one home to complain that I have the volume turned up. I definately don't have a problem with the video switching, this was the reason I upgraded from the 3000 to the 4802. I got an exceptional price from the Goodguys of $1500(demo).

The faq on the Denon Web site is also very good at explaining differences. You may want to take a quick peek as to their take. Also has some good setup info.

The other issue is that the older ProLogic units were built in a superior fashion. During their heyday before THX, manfactures actually went out of their way to build quality in the ProLogic ccts. For example the Denon AVR3000 has a fabulous ProLogic cct. Dolby's newer ccts are just not what they used to be. As even THX will admits, THX starts AFTER ProLogic has done its job. Therefore the question comes down to money and how its sounds. Yes 5 channel stereo sounds great. 3 times as good? Well....? Yes I just upgraded my Denon AVR3000 for a fabulous priced AVR4802($1000 off list from an authorized dealer). Maybe, take the difference and upgrade some of your components. It, as has been said comes down to what you want to accomplish in your system. If it sounds great and you are a DVD/DTS kind of user versus a lot of off the air simple ProLogic, take the money saved and run. Otherwise pay for the upgrade to Prologic II now. The only reason that I bought a new unit was that I could get the newer unit(with all of its greater flexible inputs) for just a little less than going to MSB for upgrades. Time will tell if I made a reasonable choice. Still trying to get the new system programed, hooked up and running. This message has been edited by Trouble maker on 03-16-2002 at 11:48 PM

Even when you purchase from an Authorized dealer watch out. I bought an out of box "demo" speaker as part of a $1800 Klipsch speaker upgrade. The speaker was missing its feet. A call to ??Parts??? yielded a price of $8 per item ie, screw, rubber bumper, or foot. Nearly $100 to stabilize the speaker. When I gasped & protested the obvious RIP OFF, she stated that was the way it was(she did not agree with the pricing structure but take it or return to my dealer). Even Bose does not go to this extreme. In fact they even would give me credit of 50% off on a new speaker system because they were having troubles supplying a tweeter. I don't mind paying a "reasonable" price for the mising items, but to be stuck as it seems for trying to obtain 'service'. In fact it took several tries to get through, always Voice mail, then waiting by the phone for a response(Bose at least answers the phone with people). Right now I am heading to the Dealer with the intent of returning the system, and going with a system that may not be as good(subjective, may even spend more money for a better system), but at least I know that if I need parts, I won't be spending 1/4 the price of a RF3 for trivial part(I wonder want they would want for a driver). The Dealer is not going to be pleased!! The system included 2 RF3's, an RC3II, and 2 RB3's. This message has been edited by Trouble maker on 03-16-2002 at 01:48 PM

The Denon web site has a very good explanation of Bi-wire. There is special wire that is supposed to work as a unit to cancel induced noise and such. Several sites and reviews report better sound when speakers that are designed for Bi-wire are converted to that wiring format. It is a cheaper option to obtain better sound. Again all wire is NOT the same, and listening before and after is always the final judge. amp-Denon AVR 4802 RF-3s,RC3, & RB3s