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I think, temporarily, I am going to try using my 1st La Scala as my center and my 2nd La Scala as a rear center. This would give me a 6.1.2 system. I am only part way through building my system.
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So I tried a few options and wanted to share my observations.
1) Left and Right Cornscala Center KLF C7. This is my current setup.
2) Left and Right Cornscala and no center. Basic idea was to use a phantom center. This was worse than option 1 in both me and my wife's opinions. Seemed to lack presence.
3) Left and Right Cornscala Center La Scala. Wow, this is why I want a new center. Dialog much better and some more bass.
4) Left Cornscala Right La Scala Center Cornscala. This is not a normal setup and not something I would ever do. Just trying to get a feel for the difference in speakers. The bass was really odd as the La Scala was lacking the low end of the Cornscala.
Comparing the La Scala and Cornscala: Bass preferred from the Cornscala. Dialog and high frequencies preferred from the La Scala. I would need subs with a pure La Scala front stage. I used scenes from the Greatest Showman to A/B test these. I didn't rerun Audessy between setups and only made speaker configuration changes so it knew if I had a center or not. I used the first scene from the movie as it has great bass and some dialog. It also has some subtle sounds to pay attention to. I also tested the opera scene (chapter 11). I would say that I preferred the Cornscala in the first scene and the La Scala for the opera scene. Shouldn't be a big surprise.
I think the best setup would be LCR with La Scala and subwoofers. I am hoping I can find a third La Scala. I can use it as a center. If I later get some beefy subs, I can switch my front stage to La Scalas and use my Cornscalas for surrounds. Either way makes for a nice setup. I should also mention that I have a nice SVS sub near field to cover the lower frequencies.
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I tested several options. Please see the following thread: https://community.klipsch.com/index.php?/topic/181529-center-options-for-cornscalas/
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Just now, billybob said:
Just as well these sold. Nice speakers but, a Cornwall or maybe better again LS for your center purposes.
Guess you see the new Cornwall alert here...a bit rich but, nice I think.?
I did and agree that it is a bit overpriced. Thank you guys for your suggestions. I’m going to try my current La Scala as a center and just see what it is like. I will also try going without a center and see what that is like. Right now Audessy is dialing down my mains by 12db which seems a waste.
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I waited too long. These are sold. Just spoke to the gentleman on the phone. He will update the ad tonight.
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Would you be willing to ship? I am in Parrish, FL 34219
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1 minute ago, Westcoastdrums said:
Bad idea. Move one LA scala up front? Mono up front, stereo in the rear? No..... Get another LA scala. Or... Use these as fronts and LA scala as center (trim it down a touch). Chorus ones are excellent for the price IMO, but LA scalas are MUCH better given the right room/ equipment.
Sorry my bad. The La Scala would be between my Cornscalas. These would be my rear surrounds
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Perhaps I could buy these as my rear surrounds and just move one of my La Scalas up front. Good idea or bad idea?
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3 minutes ago, chasec2021 said:
Thanks man. The amount of money to just power these things is ridiculous when you look at what you are already spending on the av receiver alone. I have always just run things through the AVR, but the more I read the more I feel that I am underpowering my speakers as it is. With the 4400 having the capability to add 2 channels through an external amp, that would put me at 400 +900 for a total of 1300, which is still less than the 11.2 6400 or 6500, with true RMS of 150 watts to my mains. I feel like spending 1000 just to get a parasound A23+ would be a tough one to pitch my wife to spend...
You can always spend more money. This doesn’t have to be an expensive hobby, but it isn’t cheap either. Good luck with the new setup. I think you will be happy. Personally, I have put more into amps lately as they will stick in my system longer than an AVR or processor. Tech changes frequently, but raw power lasts longer.
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1 minute ago, chasec2021 said:
That was what I worried about if it would even work with the issue I am having. It would give me better power to roll with the Emotiva A 300 as it gives my 150 watts compared to the 95 coming from the 2200. I am new to the amp game, so would you be able to advise on whether emotiva has any large drawbacks compared to parasound when it comes to quality over paying the extra?
Both make good amps and have price points you can move up within their respective product lines. Honestly you should see a nice improvement with even their low end ones like the A300. Emotiva has a bumpy past with some people, but they seem better in recent years. Lots love their stuff.
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1 minute ago, chasec2021 said:
So, if i go this route, sending rca from my new preamp to my old 2200, can I use any terminals I want? or do they have to run through specific terminals depending on the speaker similar to how it comes from the actual av. For instance, if I want to add surrounds and use my old 2200 as the amp for the extra channels, can I use whatever speaker terminals? I ask because my front right speaker terminal only works half of the time, and if i have to use front left and right, then I will be in the same position I am already in. I am looking at just grabbing an Emotiva A 300 to add on and let those power my mains and let the 4400 handle the other 9 channels
Let me know what yall think!
Unfortunately you will have to use the front left and right terminals. Emotive makes fine budget amps. You can buy more if you look for used, but your plan is a good one. I definitely understand buying new after your most recent experience with the Denon.
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No worries Zen Traveler. We are both trying to help
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So your new receiver, the 4400, has pre-outs. Take the front left and front right and hook them to your stereo input of choice. Then hook up your front left and right speakers to your old 2200 and you should b good to go.
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6 minutes ago, Zen Traveler said:
Your DenonX-2200h does not have pre-outs so you can not use it as a pre-amp. That feature is usually found on upper/mid level AVRs.
Does the AVR he is looking at have them? I thought it did.
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1 hour ago, Youthman said:
You are correct, the LS definitely need a quality sub or subs to handle the low end.
I have heard the benefit of the Cornscala is it combines the best part of the Corwalls (bass) and the best parts of the LaScala (midrange and highs). What kind of "lower" are we talking about? I really don't see Cornscalas replacing dedicated subwoofers though.
With that said, if you have the SVS sub that had the dual down firing 12's....that sub is no joke. LOL.
La Scalas cut off at about 45hz and Cornscalas cut off at about 34hz. That makes a significant difference for home theater usage. I do indeed have the dual down firing 12 sub from SVS and it sits about 3 feet behind my listening position. Perhaps at some point, when budget allows, I could add a couple more subs up front, but that isn't the priority just yet. I would gladly buy a used La Scala for my center if one becomes available. As Dave pointed out, that provides a lot of flexibility.
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Looking for a single Cornscala near Tampa. Shoot me a message if you have one to sell.
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Here is a thought. Keep your old Denon and repurpose it as an external amp. You could use it to power your surround speakers to keep that lad off your main AVR.
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If you are open to doing a little work, I have a suggestion. You could pick up a used Crestron 16x65 amp. They are designed to be whole home audio amps that work with Crestron control panels. Many are being removed from homes where they are updating to newer tech. You can pick these up for under $300. You can then bridge the 16 channels into 8 which nets you 8 channels at 220 watts per channel all channels driven. It is an incredible amount of clean power for super cheap. You would need to spend closer to 3,000 to match it. If you are interested, let me know and I can send you more information. I use this as one of my amps and it works great.
Cheers, Paul
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1 hour ago, wvu80 said:
Interesting. I don't want to tell you what to do, but I've heard a couple of setups with LS as L/C/R. It makes for the best front soundstage I've ever heard. Also it is not uncommon to find LS as singles, or if you buy a pair, sell a single. You could even put L/S as L/C/R across the front, the Cornscala in the back with your extra LS between them.
A pair of LS gives you some nice options.
Our buddy @Youthman has several Youtube vids on his three La Scala setup.
I am familiar with his setup and we have spoken before. His is somewhat similar to mine. The only reason I was avoiding a full LCR La Scala setup is the need to add more subwoofers. The Cornscalas dig lower. I have an old SVS plus/2 as a near field sub now.
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2 minutes ago, billybob said:
You have nice set of speakers, liked by many here, imo...
Thank you. They are for my theater room. My rears are La Scalas with new crossovers and tweeters. I am about half way through updating my room.
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Thanks guys for the thoughts and replies. My Cornscalas are type B ones from Bob Crites. Basically it is a blend of the Cornwall and La Scala speakers. I will probably just buy another one to use as my center, but always like to check other options.
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Would these work well as a center for Cornscalas? They are right down the road from me. Would consider using them combined as one center speaker.
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I am trying to figure out my options for a new center speaker. My current setup is:
Left front and Right front: Cornscalas
Center KLF C-7
Left rear and right rear: La Scalas
Atmos ceiling CDT 5800-C-2
Left and right surrounds RP-252
I feel my center is holding my system back and am looking for something that is more appropriate. Some options I am considering are:
1) Cornscala
2) La Scala
3) Cornwall
Those are the obvious contenders. Would a pair of Chorus work too? Are there any other options I should consider? I keep looking for a single of one of those, but haven’t found one secondhand yet.
SOLD Single 1978 La Scala for sale
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That could work