[Guttenberg, With the Cornwall IV, in House.]

13 hours ago, Deang said:

He's an idiot.

 

Why? 🤔

[Forte III test]

Hi! I thought I would tell you guys how it went. I happen to come across a pair of Chorus II here in Sweden that I bought:) 

I am so happy I didn’t spend five grand on pair of Forte III. I am very satisfied with the Chorus. The drivers are in great shape. I have ordered a pair of Titanium diaphragm from Crites and are going to update the crossover in a few weeks.

 

thanks for all the advice:)

[S/N on Chorus II]

2 minutes ago, Emile said:

They look very nice in the pics   Maybe @wvu80 can chime in with their value  

I live in Sweden buy the way and here the prices of vintage Klipsch is much higher than in the states

[S/N on Chorus II]

Thank you! They seams in good condition? 

[S/N on Chorus II]

Hi! Wondering if you could help me identify the year of production on a pair of chorus I am going to buy? One of the speakers seams to have been made 1993 but the other one, 1999? 

[Sub placement]

17 minutes ago, CECAA850 said:

Google "sub crawl".  That will give you best placement.

Thank's for the advice. 

Mabye I can borrow my friends Velodyne and try the crawl technique first and see what results I get. 

[Sub placement]

Hi, I'm going to invest in new setup this autumn. Planing to go fore Heresy III with one or two subs instead of Cornwall III. 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I should be able to more easily adjust the bass tones to the room acoustics than if I choose Cornwall.  

 

Would like to here your opinion on where you think the best placement of subwoofer is in my room and if I can start with just one sub.

It may be a bit hypothetical and I know the best is to try, but your advice are important for what brand an model of subwoofer i choose.

 

The sub need to have high-level input because i use a tube-amp. Subs at my wantlist is REL T7i, T9i or SVS SB-1000.

If choosing T9i I only can afford one. REL have a wireless system called Arrow which makes it possible to place the subwoofer wherever I want.

I don’t want to pull cables across the room.

 

The X marks possible placements. 

Sorry for my bad english 

 

Best regard, Fredrik 

[My first tube!!]

I can recommend Line Magnetic amps. 

Personally  have the 216ia and have tried it with both Heresy and Forte III with good results. 

 

Line Magnetics integrated amplifiers are affordable and great sounding 👍

[REL T9i or Velodyne SPL-1000 Ultra]

Hello! I'm planning to either buy Heresy III or Forte/Chorus II if I find a descent pair. 

Which one of the T9i or SPL-1000 would you choose to integrate with Heresy?

I'm primary play music at home, not so much movie-watching. 

 

I have a Line Magnetic tube amp and therefor I need a sub with speaker level input. 

I have tried a SPL 1000 Ultra at home with my current speakers and I like the EQ function and that it has remote-control and presets. 

I have never heard a REL sub but many talks about them. The T9i doesent digg as deep as the SPL but 27 hz may be enough for music?

[Forte III test]

23 minutes ago, glens said:

If you don't buy them you'll always wonder what it could have been like.  Kind of like the person with a barrel of apples, always picking one that's gone a little bad (before it gets even worse and they have to throw it away).  Rarely to they enjoy a good apple 'cause the next marginal one will get picked next, and so forth.  Pick the good apple now and enjoy it!  You only live once (at least that you know of) and it's only money.

 

I like your metaphor. You are absolutely right. And regarding Shakydeals comment, I understand that my system would sound even better with the right acoustic treatment and a better shaped room but this is what I got for the moment. 

 

I put the music first and do not care much if they measure correctly or not. The most important thing is that the system creates a involving feeling and makes it funny listening.  

[Forte III test]

26 minutes ago, dirtmudd said:

Are you running in ultralinear or triode....

 

Triod. The bass feels thicker in tiod-mode 

[Forte III test]

41 minutes ago, ricktate said:

I think you need more power for those Fortes to get those passive 15 inchers moving. But a lot of people here have added subs to both H3 and Forte. Some even add sub to LaScalas while I have not tried it I dont think its required. 

How much power you got going to those Fortes right now? I dont recognize your equipment from the pics. But I do like that rack. Heres the rack I made out of solid Oak.

 

Nice setup! 

I have a Line Magnetic 216ia with 22 watt in triod-mode. But don’t think I have used more than 1-2 watt with the Forte III at home and then it was very loud. 

 

Mabye the drivers get better control with bigger powersupply but I don’t think that amplifier with many watts in general kick the drivers more than a 20 watt amplifier if give the speakers 10 watt with each amplifier. Excuse my bad english. Hope you understand what i mean

[Forte III test]

I have now spent a few days with Forte III and can coincide with the fact that there are a couple of fantastic speakers that sound balanced and surprisingly soft at the top. Very easy to listen to. The Heresy III I had at home last weekend had a bit more lively rendition. But they could be a little sharper with some music and also thinner, which is not so strange given the size. Forte III is better all around and I could live without subwoofer.

So the big question is whether a new pair of Forte III is worth their money. Here in Sweden you have to pay $ 5000 for Forte III because of the weak Swedish currency.

Sometimes if you are lucky, it can turn up Forte II and Chorus II in Sweden and Norway for about 1500 US dollars.

 

For around 2500-3000 us dollar I could get a used pair of Heresy III and one or two REL sub/Velodyne SPL-1000 Ultra. 

 

would like to hear your opinions

[Forte III test]

28 minutes ago, moray james said:

a significant amount of internal brace work down with English White Oak, the cabinets are about 95% filled with high density fiberglass damping, drivers are heavily modified including damping of the horns and internal damping of the compression drivers. The stands were custom made and much attention went into optimizing the post damping. There are additional modifications but this is the majority of the work. I have included a photo of the internal brace work martix, it is hard to see in this shot but there is also a horizontal brace between the K701 and the tweeter horn.

 

Cool! How does they sound compare to originals? I bet some will argue that colouration from cabinett and driverchassi  brings soul to the sound. 

[Forte III test]

9 minutes ago, moray james said:

those Forte3 belong to Beatlebum over at Audio Karma. My H3 are very heavily modified and sit up on 22" tall Skylan four post stands. Below are one of two sets of Klipsch H3 which I modified over a two year period of time.

 

Nice! What kind of modification have been done? 

[Forte III test]

41 minutes ago, guf said:

oh hey. I thought I recognized, and admired, this turn table and art work, from AC. cool you have the Forte III. ( i've  shared a few of your other speakers)  

 

 For the OG poster... I have Heresy III and a rhythmic sub and a LM210 300b set.  I had a younger audio friend come over the other day and listen to a few different speakers, and he said that this was the first time he had ever heard tight bass.  My room is bass trapped pretty well so maybe his experience is from the room.  But in any case I' think you can never go wrong with a sub.  

 

 

 

 

Nice room and equipment! 

Do you use one sub? Witch frecuency-range does the sub work in? 

[Forte III test]

[Forte III test]

31 minutes ago, DizRotus said:

 

The word “borrowed” puzzles me.  Are you borrowing new speakers from a dealer?  I assume so, otherwise the question regarding burn- in makes no sense, as it’s unlikely an individual would let you borrow brand new speakers.

 

If you’re able to borrow H3s to compare, I suggest you do so.  IMO, the Tractrix squawker of the F3 will produce better imaging and  better all around midrange detail than the H3.  IMO the bass will be comparable; both would benefit from a good sub, or subs.

 

I now the people in the local hifi-shop and thet hadn't have any Klipsch speakers before as demo so the reseller at Klipsch in Sweden was kind enough to send a brand new to the shop that I could borrow. If i like them I just have to pay, otherwise I bring them back at friday 

[Forte III test]

This is my listening posistion. 

It sound better and better

My Line Magnetic 216ia is a good match. 

But I bet it would sound even better with a SET-amplifier 

[Forte III test]

6 hours ago, glens said:

 

Pulling them further out than you have them would take you backwards in terms of what you're seeking.  Not only are there no room corners anywhere nearby, the opposite is the case with effective "holes" instead.  I suggest just a couple inches from the wall, toed in.

 

Yes many modern recordings (or even newly "remastered" old ones) have utterly atrocious frequency balance and dynamics.

 

No way the Heresy will provide a better overall sound, in my opinion.  If you need a sub, you need a sub.  I'd just turn up the bass a notch or two if/when needed.

 

I have a pair of Forte III with the right speaker about 4 feet from a corner and the left about 20' from the other corner, no way around it.  The left speaker is obviously shy on bass compared to right, in all combinations of speaker and amplifier channel driving it.  It's the nature of physics.  I have no tone controls and absolutely no need for them with the Forte III, which sound extremely balanced from top to bottom from quiet to loud.  What was your prior setup and how well did it do there?

 

 

I noticed that, too.  First on the right speaker and then on the left in different pictures.

 Here is Klipsch answer about the wrinkly grill. 

[Forte III test]

14 minutes ago, JohnJ said:

Bass would be better with H3s and a good sub or two I'm sure.

I doubt that the new Heresy could make the smooth midrange & imagery that the Forte III can.

I got the bug for deeper bass and ended up getting a sub myself recently and I love it. It was the second one I've tried in the last year, the first detracted from what I think is a terrific sounding bass from the F3. So be judicious about what you pair with them.

Does your wiring have a low resistivity to it?

I like the aesthetics of your room but I'd wager the home theater folks here would suggest some more or different textiles in there too. 

 

You have landed both feet deep into it, there are a myriad of answers to your query grasshopper!🙏

Which sub did you end up with? 

I have have speakercables with low resistance. 

[Forte III test]

15 minutes ago, JohnJ said:

Hi @Fredzz0rs, Welcome to the forums!

I'll have to look at my spec sheet again, but they might have to come out from the wall a little more to better utilize the 15" passive on the back. Thin sounding and seeing the tube amp there seems odd to me. Play something with pronounced bass in it at that normal low listening level. Peek around behind one of those F3s, hear all that bass? Pull them out some more and it will come out into your room. I see the doorways on each side but maybe it's possible?

If you are using one set of speaker cables those jumpers (at the wiring inputs) are intact aren't they?

Another tidbit is that these excel at reproducing lifelike midrange, and with the tweeter and mid being horn loaded that might be more pronounced than what your used to. You've mentioned the imaging already and I love that about my F3s!

 

Here it is:

"For optimal low-bass performance, it is recommended the loudspeaker
be placed within 2 to 10 inches of the back wall."

 

That is quoted directly from the manual. and every listening area is different, so play with your positioning and you will be able to hear the difference in the different ones. Have fun!

 

15 minutes ago, JohnJ said:

Hi @Fredzz0rs, Welcome to the forums!

I'll have to look at my spec sheet again, but they might have to come out from the wall a little more to better utilize the 15" passive on the back. Thin sounding and seeing the tube amp there seems odd to me. Play something with pronounced bass in it at that normal low listening level. Peek around behind one of those F3s, hear all that bass? Pull them out some more and it will come out into your room. I see the doorways on each side but maybe it's possible?

If you are using one set of speaker cables those jumpers (at the wiring inputs) are intact aren't they?

Another tidbit is that these excel at reproducing lifelike midrange, and with the tweeter and mid being horn loaded that might be more pronounced than what your used to. You've mentioned the imaging already and I love that about my F3s!

 

Here it is:

"For optimal low-bass performance, it is recommended the loudspeaker
be placed within 2 to 10 inches of the back wall."

 

That is quoted directly from the manual. and every listening area is different, so play with your positioning and you will be able to hear the difference in the different ones. Have fun!

Thank’s for the advice! I have tried having them 7 inch from backwall and that is about the most I can have in the room. 

To the left there is a open vault to the entrance and to right openings to bedrooms. 

 

The quality of the bass is very much depending of the recording. Forte is very revealing with bad recordings. 

 

I would like to have more low end at lower volumes. Do you think it could be better with Heresey III and one or two subs? 

[Forte III test]

Thank you! The picture above was from the first day with them. I have toed them in more now and it result in wider sweetspot and better image 

[Forte III test]

I have borrowed a Forte III and it is the first time I listened at Klipsch. It sounds good right out of box but maybe it’s a little bit thin at lower volumes. Do the sound be any different after some burn in?