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    Vintage vs new La Scalas

    in 2-Channel Home Audio

    Posted

    1 hour ago, yamahaSHO said:

     

    Not really, I was able to sell off the stuff I took out. And when I bought some of this stuff, it was pre-covid pricing.  The A-4500's I have are like double or more than what I paid a few years ago.

    What do you think of those A-4500?

    Vintage vs new La Scalas

    in 2-Channel Home Audio

    Posted

    1 hour ago, Coytee said:

     

     

    Here it is.  Some comments though:

     

    1.  It's an active so you'd need four channels of amplification

    2. This is the original one he did and it presumes the original driver, K-69 (or was it the K-69-A?)

    3.  If you use a different HF driver, you might likely have to adjust the settings on the crossover

    4.  Note the PEQ: -7 db's @ 148 Hz, this will take most/all of the resonance of the bass bin out and they will sound like they're playing deeper bass.

    5.  Forgot...  the attached PEQ files were created on an EV (Electro-Voice) DX-38.  If you use one of those, it's plug & play.  If you use another brand (Xilica comes to mind) they use a different format...so you might have to figure out how the different input formats change the stated input value.

     

    The 'deeper bass' is actually already there, it's just being masked by the sidewalls resonating.

     

    It's a good fix.

    DX-38 settings for LaScala (1 or 2) LF with K402 & K69.pdf 22.35 kB · 3 downloads

    Wow amazing, thank you sir. Did this circulate on the forum here back in 2008?

     

    Paul

    Vintage vs new La Scalas

    in 2-Channel Home Audio

    Posted

    18 minutes ago, yamahaSHO said:

    I've got a set of 1978 La Scalas with Crites CT-120's, A-55-G's, and A-4500 crossovers and I've loved them.  I have a set of new Klipsch bass drivers to swap in when I refinish the speakers and I bought a new set of CSW-450 crossovers to try out as well. I have not heard the new version of the La Scalas, but I've not felt the need to look for a new speaker in my life... Not until I downsize. 

    Wow you sure have invested a lot into those old La Scalas!

    Vintage vs new La Scalas

    in 2-Channel Home Audio

    Posted

    On 2/5/2022 at 9:12 AM, Coytee said:

    First, I have to presume you know that the picture you've got posted is of the newer version, not the older version?

     

    I've got a pair of 1979 LaScalas.

    I've heard the newer  versions.  Do the newer versions sound better?  I'd say yes.  Do the newer versions sound like they have more/better bass?  I'd say yes to that too.

     

    BUT....  (there is always a pesky but!)  Can you get your speakers sounding similar (or perhaps even better) than the newer version of LaScalas?  

     

    I would say yes to that too.

    To fix the bass (and make "yours") sound like they have the better bass....you simply have to stiffen up the side walls on the bass horn to tame their resonating.  Several ways to do this.  I think it is a clear and noticeable improvement in the sound.

     

    You then reach a fork in the road.....  how crazy do you want to go?  If you want to now (or in the future) go balls out, you can biamp the speaker and slap a K402 on top.  If you did that with an active crossover, Roy has already EQ'ed the frequency that makes the sidewalls resonate, OUT of the program so that alone will help the over all sound (whether or not you firm up the sidewalls).

     

    The 402 on top (with the speaker now being an actively biamped, 2-way speaker) will make your stock speaker sound more like a toy speaker.  I don't say that to be malicious.  I've owned a pair for a long time so I'm not bashing on them.

     

    In fact, it was Bob Crites (RIP) who made that comment once when a group were comparing various speakers.  As I recall, he leaned back in his chair and in his charming way, just blurted out that these larger horns (K402 on top of LaScala, Jubilee, MWM) simply make all the other speakers sound like toy speakers.  I agreed with him 100%. 

     

    Note, this isn't to disparage any others which sound good on their own right.  Just a matter of do you want to push the ball forward, or do you want to catapult it forward?  It's "simply" a matter of how much do you want to spend.  All the engineering has been done.

     

    So you've got my attention, how do I get a K402 and where Roy's magical EQ to make this work with a La Scala amazing?

     

    I'm thinking of buying an old 1981 La Scala and hot rodding it.

     

    Paul 

    New to Klipsch McLaren Legends Series: Debuts Hi-Fi Speaker Capsule Collection in Partnership with The McLaren F1 Team

    in General Klipsch Info

    Cornwall lV vs JBL 4367

    in 2-Channel Home Audio

    Posted

    21 hours ago, OO1 said:

    can we have a few details .

    Certainly but I'm not able to wax poetically about audio I'll do my best. 

     

    The other day I want to my local Revel dealer, US Tube Audio in Scottsdale, AZ

    I was able to listen to the F208, F228Be, and the JBL 4367.

    I thought I'd share my impressions.

    F208: Sounded fine to me, good low end, midrange sounded natural, top end was nice, over all nothing special.
    F228Be: Sounded better to me, less low end but more defined maybe, midrange the same, top end seemed more defined to me. Most likely as a result of the Be tweeter?

    So, I wasn't super impressed with either, not to point where I was willing to pull out my wallet. I thought it might just be a crappy room.

    Next up the JBL 4367. From the moment the music started my jaw was on the floor. Everything sounded real, alive, in the room. The acoustic guitars, clarinets vocals, you name it sounded amazing, accurate, and life like. Bass was amazing and tactile. It ran circles around the Revels while still having great tone, clarity and smoothness while at the same time completely natural.

    Unfortunately, they were out of F328Be and Salon2 so I couldn't compare.

    Has anyone else experienced this? Is it the horn loaded compression driver that is crossed over at 700 Hz that gives it the life like sound? The high sensitivity? Both? I'm curious but I've got to know at this point as I've got to have speakers that do this, but I can't afford the $16k!

     

    The closest thing I've heard this type of experience from was the Forte III.   I don't recall the Cornwell IV sounding like this and certainly not the Hersey.  

     

    Thoughts?

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    Cornwall lV vs JBL 4367

    in 2-Channel Home Audio

    Posted

    On 10/17/2021 at 5:52 AM, Tarheel said:

    I think the 4367 JBL has mid range to die for.  Made me start googling them to see if any used ones are for sale.  A gent in NJ has two pair and one pair (with 5 hours use) is for sale for $9999.  Retail price is now $16,500 according to his add.

    Pony express from NJ to NC coast?

    I heard these the other day. Wow, indeed to die for! 

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    Need to ship Forte IIIs. What to use in place of rubber grill washers?

    in General Klipsch Info

    Posted

    21 minutes ago, Dave A said:

    UShip has not damaged one thing received here or sent from here. So far their record has been 100% for me. + cheaper.

     

    24 minutes ago, Shakeydeal said:

    If you are shipping them the only way they will arrive in one piece, strapped to a pallet and loaded on a freight truck, I wouldn't worry about the washers.

     

    However, if you are shipping them by common courier (fedex, ups, et. al), you have more to worry about than damage to the grills. The klipsch boxes are an afterthought and weren't designed with shipping in mind.

     

     

    Yes sir indeed they will be shipped on a pallet as then came to me.

    RF-7 III design and comparison to RP line

    in General Klipsch Info

    Posted

    1 minute ago, MMurg said:

    Klipsch really confused the branding of Reference and Reference Premier.  First, they had Reference.  Then they created separate Reference and Reference Premier lines.  All the while they kept models from the original Reference line which are "above" the new lines but are more like RP than Reference, without giving them a new name.  I suggest they call the RF-7 III/RC-64 III something like "Reference Ultimate".  😁

    Totally agree! Thus my conclusion, with your guidance in the FB group, that it really is a different beast. 

    RF-7 III design and comparison to RP line

    in General Klipsch Info

    Posted

    2 hours ago, Oicu812 said:

     

    I think it answers more than is immediately apparent.  This is the "flagship" of this line (as opposed to the Heritage models), and uses higher quality components.  I would hazard the guess that the crossover is correctly designed, and made of the same level of items as the rest of the speaker. 

     

    With the advancement in electronic technology made in the last 60 years I would also say that the crossovers will most likely last just as long as the rest.

    Perhaps but lets look at Klipsch's own messaging.

     

    You are certainly right, the RF-7 is the flagship speakers of the Reference line.  Should be end of story right?

     

    Note here it's the flagship of the Reference line.

     

    Reference Premiere is said to be their flagship line. 

     

    From here: https://www.klipsch.com/blog/reference-vs-reference-premiere-whats-the-difference

    "The Reference Premiere series was released early in 2015 and then was reimagined in 2018. It is widely considered our flagship series of home theater speakers. Many of our other premium home audio product lines get their sonic signature and tone from Reference Premiere as well."

     

    "What makes Reference Premiere (RP) more kick-*** than other flagships we’ve released in the past?"

     

    So one could get confused by Klipsch messaging.

     

    My conclusion is that the RF-7 / RC-64 are really a line of their own, no matter what Klipsch marketing says.

     

    Why?  Styling similar to the RP series but with real wood, compression drivers like the Heritage and Pro lines, and made in Hope like the Heritage and Pro lines.

     

     

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