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That's good to know there are options. I'd likely start with the most inexpensive first. It's been a over 30 years, so it would make sense that the capacitors are not at 100%. After doing some reading I am unsure which tweeters I have in my forte's. My guess is that they are original and phenolic, but the tweeter has a textured silver appearance in the center, and looks metallic.
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On 6/30/2023 at 11:25 AM, Southern said:
Is your terminal cup round or rectangular?
If it's round there is a good chance that the crossover components are located on the back of the terminal cup, if it's rectangular then the crossover components are mounted to a circuit board.
Good to know. I have the rectangular version, so they are likely connected a circuit board.
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On 6/30/2023 at 11:26 AM, CCG said:
I read pretty much all your postings. I want to ask you what is your room size? Is your forte has passive radiator?
Just want to get an idea on referring to my future purchase.
Thanks CCG.
My room size is roughly 11 x 14 x 9H, and the speakers are located on the short wall. When constructed the room has a wall shelving unit in this area that surrounds the stereo in each corner 15"D x 21"W up to the ceiling and across to the other side and down again, like an upside-down U shape. As I have them spaced @8 ft apart it is necessary to bring the speakers out from the wall about 30" to the front baffle to clear the wall unit, but in reality they are roughly a 6"-8" clearance to the passive radiator to wall unit door when they are angled slightly toward the listening position.. Not ideal but in the other direction I would have to place them on an angle in the corners to clear the large window. My forte's were built in Nov. '89 and have the 12" passive. Hope this helps.
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2 hours ago, Southern said:
No I replaced my caps with Solen's due to previous sucess with them and they didn't break the bank.
I re-worked the x-overs to allow me to bi-amp, unfortunately on the early Forte 1's Klipsch crammed all the x-over components on the back of the terminal cup.
Nice job. I haven’t looked inside yet, but that would have made things a challenge if it’s all on the cup.
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On 6/24/2023 at 9:26 PM, Peter P. said:
Patience paid off! Good for you.
Thank you! It took a bit of searching but music sounds very “right” to me with the forte, it’s hard to explain. I’m very very happy with them.
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12 hours ago, Southern said:
Another proud Forte 1 owner who also listens to classic rock!
I have my forte's placed 12" from the rear wall and they produce impressive low end bass.
There was a noiceable improvment when I replaced the original caps in the crossover.Absolutely! I have mine set about 2.5 ft from the short wall and sitting about the same from the rear wall. Likely 9ft away from speaker to seating position. Still experimenting with the fortes distance from the side walls. Roughly 7ft between them at the moment.
I’ve read about people doing the crossover replacement due to age, did you replace the old one(s) with a factory capacitor from Klipsch?
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To update this thread, I eventually took a chance and purchased a mint pair of Forte I's built Nov. '89. Huge sound even in my small room. Not overwhelmed with bass at all, actually I wouldn't want any less. About 8 ft apart on the short wall. 12ft back to listening position. There's a wide open holographic presentation to them that I really enjoy. I'm actually surprised that I enjoy them as much as I do.
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1 hour ago, MeloManiac said:
I have the RP160M in the bedroom. These were my first Klipsch speakers. In my large living room, they are far less impressive compared to my 1972 Heresy speakers.
In my opinion, if you're equipping your main listening room, you should buy a Heritage speaker set. Be patient and sooner or later a pre-loved Heresy one, two or three wiil show up eventually!
About the Yamaha amp, the AS1200 used to be on my shortlist too, but also take a look at the Yamaha Yamaha RN2000A which has built in network streaming and is qobus compatible.
Thanks, I saw that Yamaha come up as well. Nice one for sure with all those features. I have the 1200 now (connected to nothing), or otherwise I would look more into the pricing of this one, all things being equal.
I worry the Heritage line is going to be tough to have in that room. Were it my larger living room, it would be no question about scale. Do you find there is any aging of components in the older Heritage line to watch out for? If I see one, I want to know what to look out for, or hear. Is the IV line ported now on the Heresy's? I've been looking since October or so for used Heresy's so I'm trying to find a decent alternative for now.
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After seeing a few stellar reviews, I'm considering buying a pair of Klipsch RP600M II for my main listening room and pairing with a Yamaha A-S1200. Before I begin, I know there is a disparity between the price of speakers to amp, but the budget isn't there for new Forte's or Heresy's at the moment, and the used market is pretty scarce locally for the Heritage line leaving my budget options to the 5000F, 6000F II or the 600M II + sub if needed. With the custom builtin shelving unit on the wall there is an 88" wide recess, for stereo and speakers. Considering the size of the room my gut feeling is that the bookshelves is likely the way to go. I'm curious if anyone done similar pairing, and what was your experience over time? I wanted the amp for the looks and lasting build quality but now I'm more concerned with the speakers for performance.
I want a fun sound, lively with some good bottom end, something that adds a little body to my favourite records and cds. (classic rock, 80's etc.). The family loves the The Fives in our living room pulling sound bar duty, and it is something we all enjoy with music and movies. Very happy with my PRO-250RPW's in our theatre room as well. Given rest of the house is Klipsch speakers, I'm considering the RP range would be a work for my music room, at least for the time being. I just don't want to buy a floorstand model if oversized and a bookshelf would suffice.
Appreciate your thoughts.
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Hi, I was attempting to run the fives with a subwoofer and find that the signal to the subwoofer is quite low as compared to the “sub out” from my integrated connected in another system. Is there a setting to compensate for this? Or is this a known fact for the low pass signal out. I know the bass drops at 80hz or so once the cable is connected, but I have to really turn up the gain on the subwoofer to compensate to about 3/4 of the way. It just feels like something is off in the lower end. Is it the dynamic bass needing to be engaged? I usually have it on the new third dynamic bass setting which is more flat(?) when not running the sub.
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22 hours ago, YK Thom said:
I also use the exact same Marantz unit - highly underrated. You will be fine. It matches well with Klipsch products. go for the best speakers you can find/afford. The Marantz could be changed down the road. In the mean time you will be very pleased. I'd lean towards Fortes or if fortunate Cornwalls.
Good to know! I find the Marantz a great little component. I'll keep an eye on the used market re:Fortes. They are just above budget even by selling the Moon and Arias I think.
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On 4/21/2021 at 2:47 PM, 314carpenter said:
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Forgot this is new construction. Blow the entire budget on the construction of the room. Seroiusly. Now is the time, not later. Plan to leave the room completely barren empty until you have a budget again later. Just get the controlled lighting, ductwork, ventilation, wiring, 20 amp circuits, soundproofing, etc.
Some of this has already been completed, but I am doing some soundproofing in the ceiling and sealing as much as I can around the opening/doorway. 20 amp circuit as well. I have forced air ventilation, via heat pump, so I'll only have the sound when the blower fan in basement engages. Hopefully low db for airflow. Interested in the controlled lighting, what it would look like, just trying to understand what you mean by that. Smart lighting?
Once in the house, I'll get some acoustic panels (diy or retail) for early reflection points. Likely bass traps of some kind in front corners, drapes on window, area rug on floor. Bookcase "built-in" in the rear of room will do for dispersion I think.
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On 4/21/2021 at 6:08 PM, wvu80 said:
You've gotten a lot of expert opinions ^^^! @Chris A was right on IMO on used Klipsch and pricing. Klipsch is an excellent brand to buy used as much is known about them, strengths and flaws alike. There's nothing I can say which would improve on his suggestions.
I'm popping in because I own the 600M. I run them in a computer 2.1 setup with an inexpensive ten inch Paradigm sub, 100 wpc mini-amp. Converted small bedroom. I've owned Khorns, La Scala and CF-4's (dual 12" woofs) and I'm telling your the 600M w/sub has a phenomenal sound. Plenty of chest thump at moderate SPL. The sound is very balanced top to bottom. It will bring a smile to your face every time you listen.
Larger speakers will give you larger sound and play better at high SPL and very low SPL but for everything in the middle the 600M is a strong performer.
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We have a Klipsch dealer who posts here Cory @Paducah Home Theater and Steven @Scrappydue. They will give you very honest answers to your questions. They have excellent service, pricing and fast shipping. I bought my 600M from Cory. When you're ready to make a purchase decision for new gear, consider contacting Cory or Steven and see what they can do for you. -Dave
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The RP-600M w/sub has a similar characteristic sound to my RF-83's, both shown below.
Yes, there have been varied options and solutions put forward by very knowlegable people. It's nice that there are several directions to go, depending on budget etc.
I'll seriously look at your solution as well, as I like the price point plus I also have a Paradigm subwoofer, mine is the Monitor Sub 10( with ARC eq), so I am part of the way there already. The 600M + sub being a decent option after owning those higher end speakers gives me hope that I'll be able to create something enjoyable that won't break the bank once the house is complete. Moderate SPL is about as much as I go, 85db or so for short runs, but mostly medium levels to low as our children will be going to sleep a lot of times when I get a chance to sit down and relax a bit. I am soundproofing the ceiling in the build, and I'll do my best to keep the audio inside the room via seals around doors etc.
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17 minutes ago, Shakeydeal said:
That space would be perfect for a pair of Fortes, and you can find the IIIs at pretty good prices now that the IVs are out. And you probably wouldn't need a sub at all.
I would go for Heritage instead of RP all day long.
Shakey
Those are really nice speakers, if I can find them used that would be a consideration. At retail, they are way out of budget unfortunately. It was my hope to find a speaker that would not require a subwoofer to simplify my setup, as why I began to look at larger efficient speakers, within a certain price range (@$3k or under,) like the RP-8000F that would pair well for the music I listen to mostly.
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2 hours ago, Peter P. said:
Blending subs to a pair of bookshelf speakers would be easy IF you have an amp/receiver with flexible integration settings, mostly high and low pass filtering for the sub and satellites separately. If you're just playing music, it's hard to find a 2 channel power source with such capabilities, or it's expensive, or you have to use a home theater receiver just for music to get the tuning options..
There's definitely a physical matching of speaker to room not just for acoustic issues but aesthetically a speaker may visually dominate a room, or take up so much space as to be an imposition when moving about in a room. Those deep towers do tend to stick out into the room some.
That seems to be the rub regarding active crossovers in integrated amps. Way out of price range for me personally for the ones I've seen. I did consider, at one point, using my sr5008 Marantz receiver as an amp with the Moon to achieve that, but with two volume controls, I'm not sure if that would be wise. Or really which stage (preamp vs amp) to connect it properly for it to work.
I hadn't thought of the visual aspect of large towers, but it will be on the main floor in its own room. My wife has had a similar conversation with me prior, it should look like a normal room, not a dorm. Point taken. Space wise, the doors are interior double doors in the middle of the long wall, so it needs to clear those for sure.
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53 minutes ago, Peter P. said:
I think you can save some money and get a speaker that will take up less room without a loss in performance, by choosing the RP-6000F instead. I think a slightly smaller package will be more appropriate for your room size, including the RP-5000F.
Money is an issue, and room size is definitely a consideration.
Thanks, I was wondering if I would get some opinions on the sheer size of the 8000f in a @1300 cubic ft room. I thought maybe go large this time, (power and speaker) but if it's not going to sound as good as smaller cheaper options (RP-6000F), in a particular room, it would be just wasting money. I've also considered the bookshelf options like the RP-600M, with Eq'd subs, but that opens another complication trying to blend them properly if there isn't (as the case with most integrated's) bass management options.
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5 minutes ago, 314carpenter said:
What? What? I can't hear you. You'll have to speak louder.
I have a room close to that size. I started just like you. Shortly thereafter, I went overboard. I recall a time when accounted for just the weight of the speakers alone in that space. It came out to around 950 pounds. All active. My equipment rack weighs at least another 400 pounds. The entire room is pretty damped with room treatments though. You will have very significant room gain. Why not use the Moon you own? I recommend against Yamaha/Klipsch combos. Especially when using AVR or integrated. If you are planning on upgrading later, you are better off going uses/refurbished for now, paying attention to items with good resale value. Later when you want to play for keeps, make sure you can demo in your own room with option of free returns. Others will have their own opinions. quality amp your budget will allow, power is a very distant second with your speaker selections. Save some budget for room treatments. Your room accounts for a large share of what information your brain/ear actually receives.
Haha, as long as the frequency isn't over 16khz, or I'll not hear you either.
That's a lot of weight! I've begun looking at Klipsch as I've read reviews they are great rock n roll speakers, and I like the look of the Yamaha, but I haven't heard Yamaha and Klipsch together. I'll demo what I can to see, but will take into account the fair warning. I completely agree with trying out in your own room, as I am in the situation I am in, due to not doing that. Top quality components but in my room it didn't work out, and I've spent a few years trying to make it better, subs etc. My first reaction is to either buy an amplifier that is more powerful, in the hopes it will make the sound "full" thereby engaging woofers more, and dispensing with a sub. The large open concept room/house in current home is a null fest at the listening position so I'm hoping moving to the smaller one will negate a lot of at least those lack of bass issues, with using, as you said, proper treatment. Not an option in a shared family room that they exist in now.
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4 minutes ago, Chris A said:
Usually...i.e., your present integrated amplifier would probably do the job quite well, saving a lot of money to put on loudspeakers instead. The better the loudspeakers, the better the sound. That rule of thumb doesn't usually extend to amplifiers by nearly the same scale of improvement.
22 minutes ago, Chris A said:Usually...i.e., your present integrated amplifier would probably do the job quite well, saving a lot of money to put on loudspeakers instead. The better the loudspeakers, the better the sound. That rule of thumb doesn't usually extend to amplifiers by nearly the same scale of improvement.
I'd go as far as to say that Cornwalls would sound even better (even in the size room you have)--and sometimes these are available for less than $1k USD a pair--used. A used pair of Forte I, II, or III, or Chorus I or II would also do very well--if you can find a good used pair for a reasonable price under $1K.
The issue with Heresies is not so much the sound quality but the problem of putting them on the floor leaning backward (as Paul Klipsch recommended). The short height of the Heresy is problematic for many people trying to integrate them into the room without putting them on stands that deprive the woofers of room boundary loading (i.e., close proximity to the walls and/or room corners).
The issue with RP-8000Fs is the crossover frequency (i.e., 1750 Hz), which means the woofers are direct-radiating from the low frequency cutoff (32 Hz) to 1750 Hz. This is the issue with the RP-8000F and all the other "tower home theater" two-way loudspeakers from Klipsch (with the exception of the Palladium series). The horn-loaded midranges of the Heresy, Cornwall, Forte and Chorus is the difference in sound quality--i.e., having controlled directivity down to 400-700 Hz is a much better proposition from a room placement perspective. You get to place the loudspeaker closer to the walls is pick up room gain when using horn-loaded midrange loudspeaker models.
JMTC.
Chris
Thanks, a lot of good points I hadn't considered. I was always under the impression that I needed to start with the power/current being the equal or above the rating of the speakers; then I assumed almost any speaker connected would play at it's best. I have an older Marantz SR5008 receiver, that is not in use but sounded completely adequate, I had thought about using that instead. Perhaps I should concentrate on the speakers, I will certainly keep an eye out for used ones once I move ahead.
I wasn't aware of the crossover issue with the 8000f for two channel setups. I felt my big concern was the bass loading of floorstanding speakers in that room with those 8" drivers.
I have a large window at the end of the room (11ft wall) and a built in shelving/cabinetry at the other, if I went with the Heresy, they would fit perfectly in the corners on either side of the window without obstructing in front. Again, we'll see what the used market offers up as well.
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Hi, I am new to the forum, and I have a few questions regarding Klipsch speakers and best matching for my room size. I am hoping to get some advice from members on which direction I should go. I am in the midst of building a new home, and I have a room where the hifi gear will "live" that is roughly 14ft x 11ft x 9ft. I am considering replacing my current amp and speaker setup (Simaudio Moon 250i, Focal Aria 926) with a Yamaha as1200 and a Klipsch speaker like the 8000f. My music tastes are primarily classic rock, and at times some country from the same era (60's-90's), and I find my current system is lacking a bit when it comes to those two genres. I am looking for a little more excitement and rhythm in my system without going overboard and end up with bass problems for the size of my room.
If any one has some advice on what would be a more optimal setup I would appreciate it. My budget is likely maxed at the combined cost of the Yamaha and 8000f. Would I be better off with a less expensive amp and Heresy's? I may have a chance to demo both soon, but obviously not inside my particular room dimensions. I don't mind spending less if that's what works. ha
Thanks!
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Forte IV for small room?
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My room is 11 x 14 x 9H, and I'm having a challenge getting enough bass with my Forte's. I think you will be ok. It depends on where you are sitting a lot of time more so than distance from the wall. Peaks and nulls etc, amplifier sound, a lot of factors. Mine are on the short wall powered by a A-S2100 Yamaha, 12" out and 9 ft away to where I listen. Bass response changes as I move the seating in relation to speakers.