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Thank you for your explanation. However, the subject of "audible differences in a DAC" can actually be omitted when providing the answer. Because whether there is or isn't an audible difference in a DAC is actually secondary in my question. As I mentioned earlier, the audio signal processed by the external DAC goes through a series of other components and is also passed through a completely differently designed product that is equipped with tubes. So, if converting the audio signal from digital to analog yields 100% the same result as the same process in my streamer, I would still logically expect the sound to be slightly different because it has now traversed a path through cables, different electronics, tubes... one would expect that this would introduce some coloring or alteration to the audio signal. And since I can't hear any difference at all, I am actually quite surprised by this.
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I find these discussions about wattage very interesting and enjoy following them as well. I also have questions about what works better and how different wattages affect the sound. Because I own a Decware Zen Triode (2.3 Watts), I've experienced how little wattage can make the speakers sound quite loud. I always keep the volume knob below 50% maximum. However, I still wonder, what difference will you hear (if any) when comparing two similar amplifiers? Let one amplifier deliver 2 Watts, and the other 50 Watts. Is there no difference in the sound? Nothing at all? Is the only noticeable difference the position of the volume knob?
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1 hour ago, MMurg said:
They are definitely needed for using different amps for HF and LF as many power amps do not have gain controls. All the power amps I own, including the ones I'm using with the Jubilee, do not have any gain control. I personally don't need them because I'm using identical amps for HF and LF, but not everyone will. Unfortunately, the Jubilee manual does not mention this either.
Is it correct that you need two amp to run these speakers?
There is no way to run it with just one amp?
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1 hour ago, Bacek said:
I guess great power comes with great responsibility
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I think I'll request a listening session at my hi-fi store after all. It's only a 10-minute drive, and I can listen to the Jubilee speakers they have set up there. I briefly listened to them for about 5 minutes once, but I was also busy with another purchase, so I didn't pay much attention to it. My initial impression was that the sound seemed less impressive or grand than I had expected (with such massive speakers, you expect to be blown away). However, what I heard sounded incredibly airy and realistic.
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8 hours ago, MMurg said:
After looking at the Jubilee setup in the picture and your comments about them fiddling with the DSP bass/treble gain controls, I'm fairly confident in saying that you probably did not hear Jubilee as they should sound. Unfortunately, I think some of the blame rests with Klipsch for not providing adequate detailed guidance for properly setting the Jubilee up. The manual is definitely inadequate for the task. After having them in my relatively small living room for a year and a half now, I have some of my own "lessons learned" that I'm hoping will make it into a future version of the manual or at least a Klipsch blog post linked to the product page.
The first is to have speakers positioned such that main listening position is as close to on-axis of the K-402 horn as is practical, both horizontally (i.e., via proper toe in) and vertically (i.e., tilt the horn down as necessary). The manual gets the toe in part mostly correct but does not mention anything about possibly tilting the horn down when needed.
Next is getting the in-room bass response correct. This is where Klipsch really needs to provide guidance as what I'm about to say I only know because of my own experience or from information that came directly from @Chief bonehead. Unlike the Klipschorn or the Underground Jubilee, the new Jubilee does not need to be near a corner for full bass response. Roy has said on this forum that the Heritage Jubilee is designed to curve flat in half-space (on the floor away from the room walls). This is not mentioned in the manual. So, once the new Jubilee are placed near walls or corners (as they will likely be in most normal-sized rooms), there will be room gain that will cause a departure from flat response. They can start to sound boomy. In my room most of this gain was in the very low end (20 - 30 Hz range), so it wasn't apparent when listening to a lot of pop/rock material. However, once I put on material that had significant content in that range (e.g., certain orchestral music), things became unlistenable. This cannot be corrected with the gain knobs on the DSP as that's not what they are for. Some other form of bass room correction is needed to fix this. Unfortunately, the Jubilee DSP cannot be used for this as the end user cannot modify the settings. I feel that this is a mistake on Klipsch's part. They should open up the DSP for those who know what they are doing. This forces the user to use an additional level of processing for bass correction, either automatic room correction systems like Audyssey, Dirac, etc. or manually with another DSP or parametric EQ. Luckily, my processor has a multichannel parametric EQ built-in that is compatible with REW. So, at least I didn't need any other external gear to do this correction manually in my room.
I have a feeling that the people running the demo at that show weren't aware of any of this. Therefore, they were constantly fiddling with the bass in the hope of getting it right and failing.
If I may ask, how big is your room?
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@Bacek What are your current speakers? I'm curious about what you can reference.
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I had the CW3 for a while myself, and even though I thought it was a great speaker, it wasn't perfect in my setup or living room. I personally felt that it could sound a bit boomy at times. But it's nice to hear someone on YouTube speaking so positively about the CW3. I get the sense that Klipsch is starting to gain more recognition. 25 years ago, when I was involved in this hobby for about 3 years, Klipsch was definitely considered an outlier. Now that I've returned to this hobby, I've noticed that Klipsch is receiving much more recognition for its speakers, especially the Heritage line.
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Always wanted to hear a good SET 45 with mij La Scala 🙄
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But the point is not whether the DAC provides an improvement or not; my point is that the audio signal goes through an additional external component, which consists of completely different parts, has a different structure, different cables, and two more tubes. Just the fact that the signal passes through all of this should, in my logic, result in some noticeable difference. That's why I mentioned earlier that even if I just replace the rectifier tube in my amp, I can hear this.
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For a week now, I own a self-made 300B SET amplifier. It's a beautiful piece, and it sounds amazing. I'm absolutely thrilled. During my testing at home, I also experimented with various tubes. It was the first time I could personally witness how much difference a different rectifier tube, for example, can make.
The person who made the amp also produces DAC's at a very high level, and I had the chance to try one for a week. My 300B SET has two inputs, so I could connect my streamer in two ways. The usual method where my streamer's built-in DAC was used (a Cambridge CXN V2, to be precise), and another method via the streamer's pre-output to the external DAC, which had its own custom circuit with two tubes, and then through two interlinks (from a different brand) to the 300B SET.
Using the input selector, I could easily switch between the external DAC and the internal Cambridge DAC.
Now here's the strange part, and I hope someone can explain this to me. I couldn't hear any difference at all. Absolutely nothing! My girlfriend also sat by the amplifier for a while, switching the input signal back and forth, testing for differences in highs, lows, placement, liveliness, and so on. There was absolutely no discernible difference.
This truly puzzles me. If, as mentioned earlier, changing, for example, the rectifier tube in my amp results in such a clearly audible difference, how is it possible that when the audio signal skips the built-in preamp, goes through a different type of cable into the DAC with a completely different design, components, and materials (including two tubes), and then returns through two different interlinks into my amplifier, there's absolutely no difference to be heard, not even a slight improvement or degradation?
I genuinely don't understand this.
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No problem , I will.. 👍🏻
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6 hours ago, OO1 said:
are any of these Lascala II ?
No, 2 are AL-3 for sure and I think the 3th also, 4th is sold
Do you want me to let you know when I see a Lascala II?
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34 minutes ago, Peter P. said:
Too bad it's hard for our European Klipsch fans to find Heritage speakers. You're one of the lucky ones!
Strangely enough I saw 4 lascalas for sale here in the Netherlands 😄
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1 hour ago, Aris T. said:
Nice to hear that.
I have read so many weird stuff about bass that I have concerns. I assume that you also have them placed on the floor? In your opinion should I place them on some low stands or not??
If they are not your cup of Thea you can easely sell them again for 800,- euro. See it as a free ticket to give it a try.
For me the whole journey started with the Hersey2, and after some more Heritage speakers it ended with the lascala, so be warned 😉
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44 minutes ago, Shakeydeal said:
That’s a nice one….
Bought it a few days ago, I'm really happy with it.
It makes the music so real and live
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300B SET DIY..
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Yes, I think this is a good price.
Here in the Netherlands they go for around the 1000,-
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Keep in mind they need some break in time first.
They can sound thin in the beginning.
After that they are amazing speakers.
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If you like the Klipsch Heritage sound..
If you have a decent sized room.
WAF is not a problem for you.
And if the price is right (not new, then i would listen to them first)
And if you have a good amp, yes...
I still own a pair of CW4, and although I listen to the AL-5 I don't think I will sell them. I just like them to much.
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On 9/24/2021 at 12:13 AM, Moosh Bronsun said:
I love my H4's, But some records have a bit of forwardness in the 1k-2k range. I watched GR Research's video on the Forte 3 and his measured the same.
Curious on how I can alleviate this? I was looking at a Schiit Loki but its nearest adjustment is 2k and it seems like that will not work?
Thanks In advance.
Can I make a completely different suggestion? Because I believe this one hasn't been mentioned yet. Try improving your acoustics with acoustic panels. I recently got the Lascala AL-5 and also had an issue with the midrange. It turned out to be due to poor acoustics. I borrowed some acoustic panels for testing and hung them behind and in front of me. I can already hear a clear difference in the midrange, placement, and overall sound of the music. I would strongly recommend considering this option in your search for the right solution.
Edit: lol.. now I see this is a very old post 🙄
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Smaller models?
Is this wishful thinking or a fact?
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Ahhh... I see.. I thought it was already for sale.
Where are all the photos and impressions of the Heritage hornsubs?
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If I'm correct, the demo weekend of the upcoming Heritage hornsubs line should have taken place by now. Why haven't we seen any topics about it here? Come on, fellow Klipsch lovers. Spill the beans!!.. What were your impressions? Deluge us with photos. I'm extremely curious about what's coming.