James Pheele

If I bow down to SVS, will you accept me big guy? This is an idea, then i can lash out at anyone without fear of response. When can we get together for tea and biscuits? We can bring our big SVS's with us and really get the party started. Our wives will love it!

i do, i do, oh can't you see it? If someone wanted to be a good salesman, he would try to tell people that there is nothing to compete for the price (based on expert advice). Then everyone is sold! "SVS rules the world, all bow down"

Now you are making fun of people! bad boy lmfao let' see, um, ok, he has only mentioned SVS in about 2000 of his posts. You are actually right, how could i not see it? oh so sorry, he don't always suggest SVS, yup. only when someone says that another is just as good for a similar price, he goes crazy . We just can't be havin none o that, ey?

Are you bowing right now? Do some reading? Are you f'n kidding me? Just look at the hsu research post, duh. Maybe it is a split personality thing, Jeckyl and Hyde or somethin

My comments really are totally on-base. Just look at how crazy he goes when someone suggests an alternative instead of SVS. lmfao. what subs have i listened to? some nice ones, Rel, Velodyne, paradigm, hsu, svs, and many others "All bow down to the messiah"

Has he swept you in yet? VP of marketing and BS? hwatkins is AVP of marketing and BS. The fanboy loves his big SVS cylinders more than he loves himself! Gross! "SVS rules the world, all others bow down. No one else is worthy". "TheEAR is our messiah. If you don't follow him you are a traitor".

LMFAO! the circus is in town and you two SVS fanboys/salesman clowns stole the show!

hwatkins - your integrity is seriously in question here if you really liked the VTF-2 but were not blown away by the VTF-3. As a fanboy, your opinion counts squat as far as I am concerned. EAR - you are making a fool of yourself. The Hsu looks awesome, and you know it. Oh yeah, you can get 4 of them for the price of a Aerial, lmfao. Just a thought, you really think that the wood VTF-3 subs have a wood covering outside of the regular black finish? LOL!!!!! That is a true rosewood cabinet, with piano black gloss endcap on top and bottom. Maybe Hsu can rename it as "SVS" or "Aerial" and then you would love it!

I'm no more a employee of Hsu as these others are employees of SVS. lmao you want a sales pitch? look at some other posts in this forum, you got it boy

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lmfao Hsu VTF-3 will be available in rosewood finish soon, says company rep

russ- i can see that he is a big fanboy. He don't have no experience with current Hsu's, don't take a physicist to see that . The current hsu's blow away the older model hsu's for snd quality sunfire rules all, word

Looks like the BS continues from the usual suspects fanboy above, Hsu build quality is at least the equal of SVS, no question about it. lmao. If you look at the 12 inch driver on the Hsu's, they are very substantial and comparable to the PC+ driver. And it don't take a physicist to figure that out. I can see how a fanboy will not believe it though, that is how fanboy's act. hwatkins - you are full of BS. Have you compared other 764 dollar subs against the VTF-3, next to each other? I don't think so, fanboy. Your opinion is seriously in doubt. You are impressed by a VTF-2, the VTF-3 should floor you. Anything less don't make no sense unless you are using a clock radio to drive a VTF-3. lmao Oh the VTF-3 easily competes with PC+. You can either believe a couple people who have no real experience with a VTF-3 or PC+, or you can believe people who own both and say they easily compare to each other. The VTF-3 is arguably the best package in it's price range, no matter what the fanboys of SVS say. Unquestionably.

Physics, if it were so easy, we would have physicists design our subs! I would love that.

These fanboys just can't get it can they? hwatkins,,you must be confused if you think the VTF-2 is an option and the VTF-3 is not. That alone trumps your opinion as a valid opinion. The VTF-3 is much much better than a VTF-2. Two VTF-2's might not even match a VTF-3! lmao dustinB - are you just trying to make up some BS statements to support your argument? Are you a fanboy looking to be justified? You don't seem interested in telling me how a VTF-2 can outgun a Dharman by 3db's above 25Hz with less distortion? Well duh a Dharman will have more below 25Hz. Yet you change your argument to say that the VTF-2 should have been measured 16 to 50 cycles or 20 to 50 cycles instead of 25 to 60 cycles . What kind of BS is that? The Dharman will not have huge output at 16 and 20 cycles. It will have more than VTF-2 but it will be totally down from 25 or 30 cycle output. lool The VTF-3 rocks the VTF-2 at all frequencies! Response to as low as 16Hz for real! If a VTF-2 can outgun a Dharman by 3db's above 25Hz, the VTF-3 will rock even more while keeping output way way higher at lower cyles than VTF-2. A look at the VTF-3 driver will make people a believer. You can say whatever BS you want. As long as people know you haven't listened to a VTF-3, your opinion counts squat. lmao I know a guy who has both VTF-3 and PC+. He says they are esentially identical in performance. He has them in the same room side by side, not reading off some BS stat sheet without anything else.

That don't hold water boy. A little VTF-2 with it's 10 inch driver and 150 watt amp should have no business having more output with less distortion above 25Hz than a Dharman, no matter what the tune is! And yet it does! I wonder what that be telling us? The VTF-3 vs the VTF-2 has way more maximum output levels, while having way more extension too. The VTF-3 is flat to somewhere between 16Hz-20Hz. Freq resp I noted above that I know someone who owns both the VTF-3 and PC+. He says the performance of both is pretty much identical. That makes the VTF-3 a ridiculous bargain in my book

Isn't this the place for subwoofer BS? lmfao Dustin a VTF-2 at max output can outgun a Dharman. That is Thomas Nousaine who can tell you that! lmao. You do sound like a fan boy to me. As I said before, I know someone (this is a person, not a STAT sheet!!!) who has the VTF-3 and PC+ and he says they perform essentially the same. That alone makes the VTF-3 a ridiculous value at it's price point. SVS does not have better drivers, cabinets, components. That is fiction buddy. The only people who say that are the SVS fanboys who have no real experience with current Hsu products. Hsu completely custom makes his drivers and amps. He probably knows more about subwoofers than anyone in this thread combined too. Have you actually looked at a VTF-3? It is built like a friggin tank. The finish is certainly better than a water heater black. Well most people seem to think so What does Hsu have to answer for the Ultra or B4? Are you kidding me? loool How about 2 or 4 or 5 TN1220HO's and 3 Hsu amps, or 4 or 5 VTF-3's. Yeah, that would match up pretty well, and you could move them around to smooth out frequency response, or you could sell a couple because 2 TN1220HO's are more than enough

Why do you even comment on Hsu subs when you have clearly never listened to any of them? Bring out the STAT sheet! 50% power is a utterly meaningless statement when comparing different amps. The Hsu's embarass other subwoofers with only a fraction of the rated power. Vent area is also impossible to compare like you say. The VTF-3 has more vent area than a 1220HO, and yet the 1220HO from Hsu hits harder than a VTF-3 at ultra low frequencies. The VTF-3 frequency response keeps up with the 1220HO though. A VTF-3 easily competes with a PC+, nuff said. That is not just my opinion, or me reading of a manufacturer STAT sheet. I know someone who owns both and he agrees.

The VTF-3 is a ridiculous bargain. If you ever heard one you would know. It easily competes with SVS PC+ and Dharman. I can't think of any other box subwoofer that has tested as well as the VTF-3 in it's price range. This sub is the real deal (plays lowwww and loud and very musical), and it's selling for something like $764 right now.

I listened to both the VTF 2 and 2039pci Hello!!! You are comparing one product that is $150 more expensive than the Hsu. That is a 25% difference in price. You are also comparing one gigantic tube tuned to 20Hz vs. a much smaller box tuned to 25Hz. Obviously you will find one of them to play material below 25Hz better. Did you even compare in the same room? If you did not, then the comparison is flawed big time anyway. The 25-31PCi can get slightly louder than the VTF-2. For almost everyone, a VTF-2 will provide ample output. In small to medium sized rooms, this wouldn't be much of an issue and these two subwoofers will sound very similar. VTF-2 has maybe a slight musical edge, PCi a slight HT edge. Both are fantastic bang for the buck products, and the decision to buy either one really depends on tastes.