lincolns_wax

Hey! That's fantastic, congratulations. I have one those myself, they're amazing TVs, dvds and HD stuff just makes me drool. You're gonna love it. It's a heavy set though, so if they're freight shippers won't help (tipping them sometimes works), you're gonna need a couple of friends to get it in place. If you don't have a stand for it, Sony's stand is really good and looks great. Unlike some of their older stuff, it took me all of about 20 minutes to get it together, I could've cut my time in half if I had an electric screwdriver. Less than 10 pieces total.

I haven't, personally, but my brother's first system was a sony set they were selling there. To be honest, they weren't horrible speakers, pretty darn good considering the price. However, when I handed down my Synergy system (SB-3s and a SC-1), it was a major improvement. I can't decide which sound I like best. I went from Klipsch to 2 different B&W systems, and they're good, but as I got back into the stores, listening to Klipsch once more, it was like falling in love all over again. I'm no audiophile, I hope to god I never am, but I listen to lots of different music and generally, it all sounds better on Klipsch speakers. The audiophiles that sneer at Klipsch are often the ones who can't even buy the music they like because the recording is too flawed for their systems, these guys call Klipsch harsh? When I listen to music, I listen to the music. Some of these people simply listen for what's behind the music. Great, you've got a $76,000 2 channel system, simply so you can hear the guy in the bathroom down the hall from the recording studio flushing the toilet? Sheesh. If I had lots (and I mean LOTS) more money, I don't know if I'd be getting klipsch right now, I'd probably be getting some Monitor Audio gold's and the brutal powersource they need to sound right. I love their sound, it seems to be in the middle of normal laid back speakers and Klipsch's more aggressive, upfront sound. But, as it stands, I'm going to be totally happy listening to my RF-5s and RC-7 (haven't chosen surrounds yet). I can't wait to get them hooked up so I can both relax to some wagner, and when I want, I can totally rock out to some Hammerfall. The B&Ws don't rock out. I miss that so much.

Hey, how do you guys like your Mieles? I'm currently going over units, Miele Bluemoon and the Bosch Ultra Platinum are two top contenders, I take my cleaning pretty seriously, with 4 cats running about, I don't have much choice. I currently have a hand-me-down Rainbow, and while it's okay, it's overly complicated for what I'd consider simply okay cleaning. The Miele is 1100 watts, the Bosch is 1450, these things are cleaning BEASTS. Miele seems to have a better control scheme and more attachments. If you look, many conventional vacuum makers also have a higher-end division that makes mid-level vacs that sometimes don't cost that much more than your Walmart variety cleaner, but offer much better service. Strangely enough, vacuums are a lot like audio stuff. You have your Joe Six Pack, who grabs something off the shelf at a big chain store, simply wanting something that "just works". Then, you have those people who are willing to go out of the way and spend more money for performance that blows away the mass-produced junk. And then you have the true *philes, people that go beyond most normal users, many of them prefer models that are considered antiques by many, no longer in production by the companies, but are still highly respected among peers, these people are purists, they baby and pamper their equipment when not in use and when they do use it, it'll draw a crowd because their "antiques" will destroy anything else out there. I'd say I'm in the middle, on both accounts. I love a good vacuum, but I don't have the money or appreciation to get out there and buy a 1940's unit and baby and tweak it constantly. Same with audio, I like the new stuff just fine, reference series is plenty good for me, I have neither the money or patience to do heritage speakers any justice. Oh, and there are such things as vacuum races, but it's not like they show in the commercials.

mkl is totally right. Klipsch owners already catch hell as it is, the whole "image" isn't much of an image at all. I mean, it's not like we're bose owners or anything close to that, but many Heritage owners will roll their eyes at you (most of them are totally cool and they do have bragging rights), and fans of other brands certainly don't appreciate the unique audio qualities of Klipsch products. We're certainly the underdogs of the home audio world... Stop me if you've heard this one before... "What do little girls and Klipsch owners have in common? They both can't wait to get their ears pierced." I wouldn't care if Thiel started selling stuff at best buy (I'd probably buy it...), but people give Klipsch a hard enough time as it is, if they're going to be looking for more dealers to carry their products on the east coast, touting a new alignment with Best Buy isn't going to help any. At the same time, I've never owned any audio equipment simply for the name and image. Hell, if Bose started making good speakers, I might be tempted to buy them, it's not the name badge on the grill that puts a smile on my face, it's what comes from behind it. I'm not totally happy about this business decision, but hey, whatever will be will be. As far as "only 7" of us not having access to Klipsch now, not every klipsch owner posts here, and certainly not every potential customer. And if it only amounts to a few hundred people, that's still a fair deal of lost money for Klipsch.

Tweeter offers some pretty neat stuff, Sonus Faber online, at Sound Advice, they carried B&W up until a month or two ago, now they carry Monitor. They're also a big Martin Logan seller. They offer B&K and Krell audio equipment and have an impressive array of visual electronics. They aren't quite as high-end as some retailers, but they do a decent job considering that they have so many locations. I don't hate Klipsch now, or anything close to it. If they believe they can maintain both a low end and a high end? Go for it, but I'm afraid they'll be proven wrong. Best Buy isn't the worst place in the world, if more people find that they like Klipsch, great, but this is where the whole growing pains thing comes in. As supply etches forward to meet the ever-growing demand, quality will suffer. I'm not going to lie and say that Klipsch has the best QA practices. One look into the ProMedia area and you'll see plenty of people who were let down, repeatedly. The RC-7 I just received had a nut that came off or wasn't tightened properly during assembly and one of the binding posts was about to fall off. No huge deal, I opened it and fixed it myself, but it was a hell of a buzzkill for my "new speaker bliss" and certainly not the kind of thing I'd expect from them. Like I said, the main reason I'm upset is because I won't have anywhere to buy Klipsch products, you know, except for the stuff they'll be selling at BB. And lots of people on the east coast will be going through the same thing. If they think they can get their "flagship stores" to expand over here? Fine, but Washington state is a hell of a long ways from north florida. If I decide to keep my RC-7 and build the system, it may very well be my last Klipsch system. Not because I left them, because they left me.

I checked my location as well, only SA, I called my salesman and he said that they haven't received official word yet, but unofficially, it looks like they'll be dropping the line there. I will not take a two hour trip to hear speakers, if this is the way Klipsch wants to treat their customers, fine. Those of us who are only serviced by tweeter owned stores are simply SOL. Klipsch's new "Flagship" stores cover the central and western states, those of use stuck elsewhere are simply SOL. I honestly don't see more mom-n-pop stores signing up to carry klipsch, I'm pretty sure the ones in my area wouldn't they're used to brands like Monitor, Thiel, Dynaudio, Paradigm, and I know it sounds sorry and snobbish, but selling out to Best Buy isn't going to win any favor higher-end audio shops. I'm sure there's a metric buttload of money involved here, and it is a business afterall, but this amounts to nothing more than turning their backs on us. I'm happy to know that Fred's idea of "eliminating regional conflict" consists of leaving portions of people stranded. I was so excited about getting this whole new system of mine setup, but with this glorious reorganization, I'm now having serious doubts about giving more money to a company that's only concern truly seems to be the profit potential.

Simply dreadful. Sound Advice is the only dealer in my area that sells Klipsch, but I wonder if they'll hang onto them? They sell some brands Tweeter doesn't offer, Tweeter offers brands SA doesn't carry. I'm also worried about the quality of Klipsch's product once they go big. Their current big market units are the Pro Medias, and well... no comment. I'm just happy I'm getting my ref. system now and not later.

Aww man, your setup just totally rocks and it has me rethinking the potential of my room. I have a few questions, if you don't mind... How wide is the wall behind the goods? Do you enjoy the RF-7s like that? I was thinking that they would be too big for my room, but it seems that we're not too far off (my wall is 12ft wide). I see you have a 34in direct view. I have a sony 34in. Does your TV seem to handle the RC-7 fine? I was worried about it being too heavy for the TV, and I still plan on laying down a strip of Dynamat to lower vibration to the TV. How long is your room? Thanks!

I've kinda been considering the RB-5, but my sub isn't the best ever (polk 10in), and I'm just worried that I wouldn't get the bass from them that I'd like. Eventually, I plan on getting an SVS, for sound and also because of the small horizontal footprint, but that's still a bit off. When are the RB-75's coming out? Those seem really interesting. I'm also thinking about waiting for the RS-25 surrounds. Even if I do go with the RB-5, I still think I'll go with the RC-7, I don't like to skimp on the center channel. But, yeah, I'm having a bit of a hard time figuring out what would truly be the best for my room. Thankfully, the store I'm going to be buying from doesn't mind swapping stuff out, they even give my a full year's store credit after the initial 60 days are up, so if I did get a small speaker and then pulled down the wall, I could turn whatever I have back in for full credit towards bigger ones.

---------------- On 1/25/2003 1:57:18 PM imasndtek wrote: That system should be quite adequate for your sized room, however, based upon your statement of listening to more music than movies, I would reccommend some direct radiating surrounds. Nothing wrong with the RS-3's, but if music is your main focus, I believe some RB-3's or RB-5's might be in order. This will become especially important if you are going to be getting into DVD-Audio or SACD. Just my $.02. Whatever you get though, I'm sure you will be happy. ---------------- Well, I have a Panasonic RP91 dvd-a unit now, and I own a couple of dvd-a titles, but to be honest, 2 channel music is just fine with me. With the system I have now, the DefTechs don't match the B&W's, so I never listen to any multi-channel music. Also, since the room is so small, I think having something that will disperse the sound a bit better will make for a more involving movie experience. I'll see. The place I'm getting them from has a 60 day trial period, so if I don't like them, I can simply switch out for another unit.

I have a 12ft W x 11.5ft L x 8ft H room, if you want to call it that. I'm currently looking at getting some ref. series products. I'm thinking about this: Mains: RF-5 Center: RC-7 Surround: RS-3 I listen to a lot of music, more than I watch movies, so that's why I'm leaning towards the RF-5. I think the RF-7 would be a bit too much for my room though, and in-store, I enjoyed the way the 5's sounded more than the 7's as well. I might also be taking a wall down that would essentially make the room twice as long, so bigger speakers might be better for that as well. My current system is rather odd. I have B&W 603s2's for my mains, a CC6 center and Deftech's as my surrounds. B&W just isn't cutting it for me. I want a more aggressive sound and the ability to rock out if need be. Before that system, I had Klipsch SB-3's and a SB-1 center, I think (was a couple of years ago). I liked them, but I found the SB-3's to be a little bit too much on the treble-y side. I found the Ref series to be much smoother and better sounding overall. From the looks of things, I'll be getting the L/R and Center speakers first, using the old SB-3's as surrounds until I can affort the RS-3. I considered going with one of the smaller bookshelf speakers, but the room is so small that normal speakers back there sound just like that... little speakers next to the head. I think the design of the RS-3's will suit my room well. If someone could offer placement suggestions, I'd appreciate it. Right now, I'm thinking about mounting them in the vertical position about 3ft above the seating position. My Yamaha HTR5280 had some minor difficulty pushing the B&W's properly, but I think the Klipsch speakers are so effiecient that I should have zero troubles getting nice and loud when I want it that way (not too loud though... ). Any comments or suggestions? I'm getting that tingly new-speaker sensation, and boy, do I like it.