jasondowning85 Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 I have absolutely no experience setting up a home theater so I am looking for some guidance. As the title says, I have (2) Klipsch F-20's, (1) Klipsch C-20, and (1) Klipsch SW-350. I'm just not sure how to set them up in my receiver. I just got the C-20 today, but prior to that, I had the F-20's set at full-band and then the sub My receiver is an Onkyo HT-R360 I guess my questions would be the following F-20 - What Hz to set to? - LF or HF? C-20 - What Hz to set to? - LF or HF SW-350 - What Hz to set to? - What phase? 0 or 180? Thanks for any help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasondowning85 Posted July 17, 2013 Author Share Posted July 17, 2013 After doing some reading, it looks as though there are binding posts on all the speakers (excluding the sub of course) that connect the LF and HF ports. I have all of them hooked up to LF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mongo171 Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 The F-20's and C-20 will have the 2 pair of binding posts connected with a jumper. Set your AVR to crossover at 80Hz. Set the subwoofer crossover to Off or to the max setting. Set the phase to 0 if on the same wall as the F-20's. These are just preliminary settings. You can play with them until your system sounds good to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasondowning85 Posted July 17, 2013 Author Share Posted July 17, 2013 The F-20's and C-20 will have the 2 pair of binding posts connected with a jumper. Set your AVR to crossover at 80Hz. Set the subwoofer crossover to Off or to the max setting. Set the phase to 0 if on the same wall as the F-20's. These are just preliminary settings. You can play with them until your system sounds good to you. So set both the F-20's and C-20 at 80 Hz? The subwoofer has a low of 40 and high of 150. I'm guessing off would be bypass which is past the 150 mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derrickdj1 Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 You can set the Hz or crossover frequency (XO) individually, but there is not a major benefit in setting the C-20 or F-20 to a different 80 Hz XO. Yes, turn the subwoofer all the way up to 140 Hz. Congratulations on the new system and it is time to let the music play![] Stick around and you will learn a lot.[] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasondowning85 Posted July 18, 2013 Author Share Posted July 18, 2013 You have can set the Hz or crossover frequency (XO) individually, but there is not a major benefit in setting the C-20 or F-20 to a different 80 Hz XO. Yes, turn the subwoofer all the way up to 140 Hz. Congratulations on the new system and it is time to let the music play! Stick aroundThat and you will learn a lot. Definitely will stick around. I have had the F-20's and SW-350 for a couple years but don't know if I ever had it set up right. Got the c-20 today and decided to do some research. Didn't sound right when I first hooked it up. I currently have the F-20's and c-20 set at 80 Hz and the sub at 150 Hz, not 140. Sound about right? Also, I have the sub came plugged into the lfe/left (white) port, not the right (red) port. That sound right? Anything else I need to know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimanata2007 Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 "Stick around and you will learn a lot." +100 I'm not a guru and had trouble to set up my new sub, but took few advices from Derrik and very happy with my sound now. I got pair of F-3 and RC-62II which set as Large (I know, I know...but I've tried Small and really didn't like sound), their channel level set at -4. my SRS SS-1 set as Small and crossed at 80Hz. sub set to Plus, sub X-over off (I got the switch), sub gain at +4 and sub channel level in receviers menu at -3. try to run receivers EQ, it should be a good starting point. try to run your front as Large, might help with mid range bass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasondowning85 Posted July 18, 2013 Author Share Posted July 18, 2013 "Stick around and you will learn a lot." +100 I'm not a guru and had trouble to set up my new sub, but took few advices from Derek and very happy with my sound now. I got pair of F-3 and RC-62II which set as Large (I know, I know...but I've tried Small and really didn't like sound), their channel level set at -4. my SRS SS-1 set as Small and crossed at 80Hz. sub set to Plus, sub X-over off (I got the switch), sub gain at +4 and sub channel level in receviers menu at -3. try to run receivers EQ, it should be a good starting point. try to run your front as Large, might help with mid range bass. Not sure what you mean by setting small and large. I'm guessing my AVR isn't as robust as yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimanata2007 Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 "Stick around and you will learn a lot." +100 I'm not a guru and had trouble to set up my new sub, but took few advices from Derek and very happy with my sound now. I got pair of F-3 and RC-62II which set as Large (I know, I know...but I've tried Small and really didn't like sound), their channel level set at -4. my SRS SS-1 set as Small and crossed at 80Hz. sub set to Plus, sub X-over off (I got the switch), sub gain at +4 and sub channel level in receviers menu at -3. try to run receivers EQ, it should be a good starting point. try to run your front as Large, might help with mid range bass. Not sure what you mean by setting small and large. I'm guessing my AVR isn't as robust as yours. I'm talking about speakers set up in receiver's menu, it should have two settings: Large and Small. "Front – Select LARGE if your front speakers reproduce bass frequencies effectively, or if you didn’t connect a subwoofer. Select SMALL to send the bass frequencies to the subwoofer." "Center – Select LARGE if your center speaker reproduces bass frequencies effectively, or select SMALL to send bass frequencies to the other speakers or subwoofer. If you didn’t connect a center speaker, choose NO (the center channel is sent to the other speakers)." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasondowning85 Posted July 18, 2013 Author Share Posted July 18, 2013 Yeah. I don't think my receiver has that setting. Tried doing the Onkyo calibration with the mic and it errored out on my subwoofer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimanata2007 Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 don't know what to say. I've been messing with my sub for a week till I set everything properly and suitable for my ears. what is the gaing on your sub amp? 50%? try to set it at 20-25% and run calibration again. maybe mic is faulty? how about new receiver? I believe you can get pretty nice 5.1 pioneer/denon for $250-275. or check CL. my buddy selling his 6.1 yamaha for $120, pretty sure you can find similar deals in your area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasondowning85 Posted July 18, 2013 Author Share Posted July 18, 2013 Well the sub works fine and the mic seems to work fine for all the other speakers... just not the sub. I ended up just setting everything manually and it sounds a lot better than before. F-20's and C-20 to 80Hz Sub set to 150 Hz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mongo171 Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 Yes, you want the sub plugged into the LFE/LEFT. This is your sub channel. Your sub is running too hot for room correction software. Turn it down until it can be calibrated by the software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasondowning85 Posted July 18, 2013 Author Share Posted July 18, 2013 Yes, you want the sub plugged into the LFE/LEFT. This is your sub channel. Your sub is running too hot for room correction software. Turn it down until it can be calibrated by the software. Up until yesterday, I always had it plugged into the other port... oh well. I got the calibration to work, but it didn't sound good at all. it turned the volume level down on all the speakers (between -6db and -7db) as well as changing the floor speakers to 40hz and the center to 70hz. When I tried listening to music through it, it didn't sound good... cracked a bit. Changed it back to 80/80 and all is well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mongo171 Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 Yes, you want the sub plugged into the LFE/LEFT. This is your sub channel. Your sub is running too hot for room correction software. Turn it down until it can be calibrated by the software. Up until yesterday, I always had it plugged into the other port... oh well. I got the calibration to work, but it didn't sound good at all. it turned the volume level down on all the speakers (between -6db and -7db) as well as changing the floor speakers to 40hz and the center to 70hz. When I tried listening to music through it, it didn't sound good... cracked a bit. Changed it back to 80/80 and all is well. Certainly nothing wrong with experimenting with different settings. The trick is to get your system sounding good to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derrickdj1 Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 It is not unusual to have to turn the sub down. Leave the other speaker alone and accept the channel levels from autocalibration. Cutting the speaker 6-7 db is a lot. Read the guide on bass management: http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=95817 Tell us what is wrong with the sound, no bass, HF to bright, ect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derrickdj1 Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 I am not surprised it did not soud good with the speakers cut 6-7 db. Mongo is correct, the sub gain is to high when autocalibration does not accept it. I never turned the gain past 9-10 O'clock with my SW 450. Run autocalibration and accept the speaker levels with the sub turned down a bit. Then tell us what is wrong with the sound, to bright, no bass, funny S sounds, ect. Good luck. Sorry for a double post the above post did not show up right away. Internet is misbehaving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasondowning85 Posted July 19, 2013 Author Share Posted July 19, 2013 Well when the auto calibration actually went through, it did in fact pick up the sub or else it doesn't work. So the values I gave you were after the calibration; however, when I listened to music it just sounded funny... cracking and somewhat muffled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimanata2007 Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 try to set your speakers manually withing -3-2 range and set sub to -2-1 and sub gain to 30%. what kind flooring you got, carpet, wood? carpet absorbs alot of low bass, see if you can put ceramic tile or slab under the sub. I raised my sub of the carpet and bass is a bit tighter now. my F-3 also sitting on the tiles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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