JJkizak Posted November 11, 2005 Author Share Posted November 11, 2005 Also read on the Sony forum that they have locked up their games so that once you play it on your machine you cannot play it on another machine. This prevents kids from trading games with each other to p[lay on consoles. JJK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrWho Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 Also read on the Sony forum that they have locked up their games so that once you play it on your machine you cannot play it on another machine. This prevents kids from trading games with each other to p[lay on consoles. So how do you play the same game when you get a new console or you try to play the original copy on your friend's system? Btw, what do you mean by "console"...you talking about the play station 3? or a personal computer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrot Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 My understanding is that Sony WOULD LIKE TO make it so that if you bought a PlayStation game it would play only on the machine you first played it on. That way you couldn't loan the discs to friends. There are rumors that they'll do this with Playstation3. BUT IN ACTUALITY Sony won't do this because it would mean the end of game rentals. Plus of course they would be risking a huge backlash and a shift of the customer base to Microsoft or Nintendo. Sony has just released a statement that they are abandoning this kind of copy protection for CD for now. http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=technologyNews&storyID=2005-11-11T183106Z_01_MOL166114_RTRIDST_0_TECH-SONY-COPYPROTECTION-DC.XML&archived=False Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJkizak Posted November 11, 2005 Author Share Posted November 11, 2005 DrWho: It is obvious I know nothing about play station games since I have never ever played one. I remember playing hearts on the computer about 1995 or 1996. There is a discussion about this on the Sony Media Forum from people who know what they are talking about. I did leave out a few key details. Sorry about that. JJK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdm56 Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 a related question: Can anti-spyware or virus-detection programs be used to scan recent Sony CD's to find out if they have the "malware" on them? Otherwise, I ain't putting ANY Sony CD's in my computer's CD drive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrWho Posted November 13, 2005 Share Posted November 13, 2005 a related question: Can anti-spyware or virus-detection programs be used to scan recent Sony CD's to find out if they have the "malware" on them? Otherwise, I ain't putting ANY Sony CD's in my computer's CD drive. Go ahead and put your Sony CDs in your drive....the malicious spyware won't get installed unless you click yes in an install window. So if it requires you to install a program to play the disc, then simply cancel the installing and not play that particular CD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdm56 Posted November 14, 2005 Share Posted November 14, 2005 OK. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSharp Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 a related question: Can anti-spyware or virus-detection programs be used to scan recent Sony CD's to find out if they have the "malware" on them? Otherwise, I ain't putting ANY Sony CD's in my computer's CD drive. Go ahead and put your Sony CDs in your drive....the malicious spyware won't get installed unless you click yes in an install window. So if it requires you to install a program to play the disc, then simply cancel the installing and not play that particular CD. It seems the Sony rootkit is now about as dead as it can be. Even MS anti-spyware is treating it as it should be treated and will remove it. http://list.windowsitpro.com/t?ctl=1944F:25787 "For example, Microsoft initially responded cautiously when questioned about its position on Sonys use of rootkits, but Jason Garms, a member of the Microsoft Windows Defender team (formerly Microsoft Antispyware), announced in the Windows Defender blog this weekend that Microsoft is also releasing signatures and a cleaner for the rootkit." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrot Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 Here is the list of bad titles: http://cp.sonybmg.com/xcp/english/titles.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrot Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 November 16, 2005 CD's Recalled for Posing Risk to PC's By TOM ZELLER Jr. The global music giant Sony BMG yesterday announced plans to recall millions of CD's by at least 20 artists - from the crooners Celine Dion and Neil Diamond to the country-rock act Van Zant - because they contain copy restriction software that poses risks to the computers of consumers. The move, more commonly associated with collapsing baby strollers, exploding batteries, or cars with faulty brakes, is expected to cost the company tens of millions of dollars. Sony BMG said that all CD's containing the software would be removed from retail outlets and that exchanges would be offered to consumers who had bought any of them. A toll-free number and e-mail message inquiry system will also be set up on the Sony BMG Web site, sonybmg.com. "We deeply regret any inconvenience this may cause our customers," the company said in a letter that it said it would post on its Web site, "and are committed to making this situation right." Neither representatives of Sony BMG nor the British company First 4 Internet, which developed the copy protection software, would comment further. Sony BMG estimated last week that about five million discs - some 49 different titles - had been shipped with the problematic software, and about two million had been sold. Market research from 2004 has shown that about 30 percent of consumers report obtaining music through the copying and sharing of tracks among friends from legitimately purchased CD's. But the fallout from the aggressive copy protection effort has raised serious questions about how far companies should be permitted to go in seeking to prevent digital piracy. The recall and exchange program, which was first reported by USA Today, comes two weeks after news began to spread on the Internet that certain Sony BMG CD's contained software designed to limit users to making only three copies. The software also, however, altered the deepest levels of a computer's systems and created vulnerabilities that Internet virus writers could exploit. Since then, computer researchers have identified other problems with the software, as well as with the software patch and uninstaller programs that the company issued to address the vulnerabilities. Several security and antivirus companies, including Computer Associates, F-Secure and Symantec, quickly classified the software on the CD's, as malicious because, among other things, it tried to hide itself and communicated remotely with Sony servers once installed. The problems were known to affect only users of the Windows operating system. On Saturday, a Microsoft engineering team indicated that it would be updating the company's security tools to detect and remove parts of the Sony BMG copy-protection software to help protect customers. Researchers at Princeton University disclosed yesterday that early versions of the "uninstall" process published by Sony BMG on its Web site, which was designed to help users remove the copy protection software from their machines, created a vulnerability that could expose users of the Internet Explorer Web browser to malicious code embedded on Web sites. Security analysts at Internet Security Systems, based in Atlanta, also issued an alert yesterday indicating that the copy-protection software itself, which was installed on certain CD's beginning last spring, could be used by virus writers to gain administrator privileges on multi-user computers. David Maynor, a researcher with the X-force division of Internet Security Systems, which analyzes potential network vulnerabilities, said the copy-protection feature was particularly pernicious because it was nearly impossible for typical computer users to remove on their own. "At what point do you think it is a good thing to surreptitiously put Trojans on people's machines?" Mr. Maynor said. "The only thing you're guaranteeing is that they won't be customers anymore." Some early estimates indicate that the problem could affect half a million or more computers around the globe. Data collected in September by the market research firm NPD Group indicated that roughly 36 percent of consumers report that they listen to music CD's on a computer. If that percentage held true for people who bought the Sony BMG CD's, that would amount to about 720,000 computers - although only those running Windows would be affected. (Consumers who listen to CD's on stereo systems and other noncomputer players, as well as users of Apple computers, would not be at risk.) Dan Kaminsky, a prominent independent computer security researcher, conducted a more precise analysis of the number of PC's affected by scanning the Internet traffic generated by the Sony BMG copy-protection software, which, once installed, quietly tries to connect to one of two Sony servers if an Internet connection is present. Mr. Kaminsky estimated that about 568,000 unique Domain Name System - or D.N.S. - servers, which help direct Internet traffic, had been contacted by at least one computer seeking to reach those Sony servers. Given that many D.N.S. servers field queries from more than one computer, the number of actual machines affected is almost certainly higher, Mr. Kaminsky said. Although antivirus companies have indicated since late last week that virus writers were trying to take advantage of the vulnerabilities, it is not known if any of these viruses have actually found their way onto PC's embedded with the Sony BMG copy protection software. Mr. Kaminsky and other security and digital rights advocates say that does not matter. "There may be millions of hosts that are now vulnerable to something that they weren't vulnerable to before," Mr. Kaminsky said. For some critics, the recall will not be enough. "This is only one of the many things Sony must do to be accountable for the damage it's inflicted on its customers," said Jason Schultz, a lawyer with the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a digital rights group in California. On Monday, the foundation issued an open letter to Sony BMG executives demanding, among other things, refunds for customers who bought the CD's and did not wish to make an exchange, and compensation for time spent removing the software and any potential damage to computers. The group, which has been involved in lawsuits over the protection of digital rights, gave the company, which is jointly owned by the Sony Corporation and Bertelsmann, a deadline of Friday morning to respond with some indication that it was "in the process of implementing these measures." Mr. Schultz said: "People paid Sony for music, not an invasion of their computers. Sony must right the wrong it has committed. Recalling the CD's is a beginning step in the process, but there is a whole lot more mess to clean up." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nklipsch Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 The majority of people would probably click 'yes' to the installation of 'music playing software',just look at the proliferation of malware elsewhere. The funny thing is,it encourages people to rip it,and then burn their own copy without protection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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