triceratops Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 Let's call it a draw and put LZ I on the list then? Sounds good to me! "Dazed and Confused" was a transitional song that was played live by the Yardbirds before they morphed into the Zep, so I think we're covered... triceratops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbuckster Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 Don't misunderstand what I'm trying to say, the Yardbirds were very important as a group and some of their songs were good, real good, but musically did not change anything, at best they helped bring the Guitar out front and in a couple of cases, In your face."Shape of Things", Jeff Beck Group with Rod the Mod covered that better. I refer to the Yardbird Guys all the time, Guitarist's that is, because they went on to bigger and better things in their careers, and I mean No Disrespect to the band, or fans of, I just agree they don't belong on THAT list............... The Train KEEPS a Rollin'.........indeed.................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrot Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 For Jimmy Page historians, from 1957: http://youtube.com/watch?v=epXeC40P80o&search=jimmy%20page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colterphoto1 Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 Yeah, that interview segment is rich, Biological Research?? Well Jimmy and Company sure spaced my BRAINS out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbuckster Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 Thanks Parrot ,interesting Yardbird clips, if it wasn't for the guitarist's those other guys would have been out of work........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coda Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 Muddy Waters - Long Distance Call see Influence section at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muddy_Waters MC5 - Kick Out The Jams http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MC5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbuckster Posted July 26, 2006 Share Posted July 26, 2006 KICK OUT THE JAMS......................now your reaching back there, important album but doesn't belong on the list that this thread is about........................Great album none the less..... The Motor City's Burning.................. Atleast they got OTIS REDDING, ARETHA FRANKLIN, and the Baddest Brother in the Land ,MR. JAMES BROWN, now that's TALENT.......................... Just watched those Jimmy Page clips and low and behold there it is, that Metal Sound, A GIBSON through a stack of MARSHALL's, at the New York Stock Exchange, God Damn Man, Rock Music HAS Come along Way.......................Mellow is the Man that knows what he's been missing........................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coda Posted July 26, 2006 Share Posted July 26, 2006 KICK OUT THE JAMS......................now your reaching back there, important album but doesn't belong on the list that this thread is about......... Are you sure? See what the list says, 17 The Stooges Raw Power (1973) Produced by David Bowie, who also helped re-form the band, Raw Power was the Stooges's late swansong, and their most influential album. The Detroit group were already legendary for incendiary live shows and first two albums, but Raw Power, though selling as poorly as its predecessors, was subsequently cited as a prime influence by virtually every group in the British punk scene. Without this ... no punk, so no Sex Pistols (who covered 'No Fun'); no White Stripes. SOH I suspect Iggy Pop being part of the Stooges also had something to do with their showing up on the list, but Kick Out The Jams came out in 1969.. My point is that some groups that show up have less to do with influencing a genre, through originality and creativity, versus popularizing it to the mainstream. And to a British audience, to take it one step further. Then they go on to cite other copycat groups who were influenced. However, judging that they included The Spice Girls at #21, but didn't mention Bananarama who preceded them by 10 years, I don't necessarily interpret this entirely as a British vs. U.S. thing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revisionist_history Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbuckster Posted July 26, 2006 Share Posted July 26, 2006 What is the real value of MC5, power filled protest songs? Already been done........................I don't think it is a U.S. vs British thing either............but, think about the British Invasion, if you will, They brought back to us music that we had here and never really listened to, the BLUES, for what ever reasons, Devil's Music, Black Music..................Bottom Line it's just a list, some will agree, some will argue, everyone has their own take on it, and the fact that we are writing about it right now is a GOOD thing.......................Lists never satisfy everyone................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coda Posted July 26, 2006 Share Posted July 26, 2006 What is the real value of MC5, power filled protest songs? Already been done........................ The list implies punk rock started in the 1970s. I was saying it really started in the 60s. You're saying it began earlier? Undoubtedly, there's much to dislike about lists. Stephen Stills and your footer say it best. Nobody's right if everybody's wrong. 50 albums that changed music Fifty years old this month, the album chart has tracked the history of pop. But only a select few records have actually altered the course of music..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbuckster Posted July 26, 2006 Share Posted July 26, 2006 Do I understand you correctly, You think MC5 was punk rock? What would you say their music was? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coda Posted July 26, 2006 Share Posted July 26, 2006 Detroit rock, the same as The Stooges. One made the list, the other didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbuckster Posted July 26, 2006 Share Posted July 26, 2006 Detroit rock, the same as The Stooges. One made the list, the other didn't. The Stooges were on the scene before the MC5, they led the way not the MC5. No band was doing what Iggy and the boys were, they opened the door, the MC5 were years behind Blue Cheer, and those type bands. Neither band had THE big album until Fun House........................That is just my view on it, you want to talk Detroit Rock, Bob Seeger and the Silver Bullet Band, or Ted Nugent................Opinions are like noses, we all have them, but it's still fun to talk about......eh.....[] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coda Posted July 26, 2006 Share Posted July 26, 2006 I think MC5 formed in 1964, The Stooges formed in 1967 after Iggy had attended a concert by The Doors, another group that also wasn't mentioned in The List. ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbuckster Posted July 26, 2006 Share Posted July 26, 2006 Fun House mattered, Kick Out the Jams did not, It's not my list, if you really want the truth, they both sucked, but the Stooges Fun House inspired bands of the Punk movement, Who did the MC5 inspire? It's just a list, it's neither right or wrong, it's only Rock n' Roll........................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coda Posted July 26, 2006 Share Posted July 26, 2006 The Real Godfathers of Punk The last cut on Kick Out The Jams, Starship, was actually written by Sun Ra. Getting interesting yet?. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbuckster Posted July 26, 2006 Share Posted July 26, 2006 The Real Godfathers of Punk The last cut on Kick Out The Jams, Starship, was actually written by Sun Ra. Getting interesting yet?. . Again I say to you; That is one man's opinion, doesn't mean it's right, doesn't mean it's wrong, it gives you something to talk about, because artist's took other peoples music and put their signature on it, that's why they're NOT on the list........this is becoming pointless, the Stooges are on the list, the MC5 aren't, nothing we say is going to change the list, Music is always interesting to me, bantering back and forth about something we can't change is unproductive to the thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xdetroitx Posted July 26, 2006 Share Posted July 26, 2006 Well, if I have to think of one band that started a revolution I would have to say The Sex-Pistols. They started a counter culture that still rages today and has influenced many of todays singers. Of course, I am partial to this kind of music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted July 26, 2006 Share Posted July 26, 2006 Wow, an incredible list. I am shocked not only at how many artists I dont know, but also at the omission of <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />Woodstock. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> Not only did the album and movie document a seminal event in American liberalism and popular music, it also etched the event in our memories as the turning point, not only for one type of music, but several types of music all at the same time. Most of the artists there remain popular for decades. Many of the artists that were not already famous, including Hendrix and CSNY, became household names after their inspired performances. The list seems to be more about the influences of popular music, rather than the change the artist wrought upon the genre. In this regard, Glen Miller, touring with huge brass and woodwind orchestra and Jimi Hendrix, making the new fangled electric guitar do wonderful things nobody ever heard of, pop instantly to mind. No Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, Emerson, Lake and Palmer, Janis Joplin, incarnations of Eric Clapton or Moody Blues? They didnt have massive influence on modern rock? [H] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coda Posted July 26, 2006 Share Posted July 26, 2006 Some more food for thought on how the selections with this list have been distributed over the years, 50s - 3 60s - 12 70s - 32 80s - 10 90s - 7 00s - 1 From this, one might infer music was most altered during the 1970s. Just a guess, if randomly polled on the street when most of the change occurred over the past 50 years, the answer would be from the 1950s thru the 60s. .? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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