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Well you know what I think I suggested it in your other thread...
But, yes, all h/k receivers are high-current and will drive down to 4 ohms easily. Relative to the bit more expensive avr-230, the avr-130 is a 5.1 receiver at 5 x 45W into 8 ohms (more into your 6 ohms), versus the avr-230's 7.1 receiver at 7 x 50W into 8 ohms. The 7.1 vs 5.1 might not be an issue for you. The other main difference is that the avr-130 has only a pre-out for the subwoofer while the avr-230 has pre-outs for all 8 channels (so you can later add external amplification).
I would greatly recommend the avr-130 if you have little cash and are on the fence about it. Nice machine. Nice bass management for when you get that sub eventually.
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Thanks! Two pairs of Klipschorns, two pairs of La Scala and one pair of Heresy's, all in Toronto. A bit far from me, but maybe Rob a.k.a Formica will be interested! Items are kinda pricey compared to ebay (3.2 K to 4K for Klipschorns, C$750 for Heresy's).
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On 11/10/2004 3:55:53 PM minn_male42 wrote:another receiver to consider is the pioneer VSX-1014..... very nice feature set and sound.... the auto eq/room correction feature helps make a mediocre room sound much better.... (i have the same feature on my pioneer elite vsx-55txi)
Yeah, the VSX-1014TX is THX-rated and has the same feature set as the Elite 52TX, except that the Elite has better quality parts inside. The 1014 is the top of the regular Pioneer heap and it's a good choice. It's at $367.99 at www.etronics.com (and maybe cheaper elsewhere; I didn't google) which is beyond your budget a bit, but might be worth it. But by then, you'll getting close to last year's NAD T742's price too at $399. There's always something else a bit beyond!
If I were you (but I'm not), I'd go either h/k avr-320 or Pioneer VSX-1014TX.
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At that price point, I'd go for
Harman/Kardon AVR230 at www.etronics.com for $319.99
or maybe:
Pioneer VSX-D914K at www.etronics.com for $309.99
or if you really can't go that much:
Harman/Kardon AVR130 at www.etronics.com for $262.99
The AVR230 has more features than the AVR130, and is really worth the extra $57.
I would personaly use rule Denon at this price point. Someone was recommending a Panasonic digital amp in another thread for $360 shipped. But I don't know anything about digital amps myself.
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Never tried it. My PC is two stories higher than my h/k receiver.
But that sold for US$150! Where did you find it for $10?
See the review here (not so great gadget):
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On 11/10/2004 11:55:39 AM Frzninvt wrote:You could do it like I did, the La Scala is laying on its side with my 43" Sony RPTV perched on top of it. That way it is only 2' tall.
Plus the fact that you can get a pair of La Scala's for just a bit more than Heresy's! US$300 to US$400 for Heresy's, US$500 to US$700 for La Scala's. Might be able to find a single La Scala for less than a pair of Heresy's... I'll definately try it on its side tomorrow...
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On 11/10/2004 1:31:21 PM Frzninvt wrote:The La Scala has been DeanG'd (Type AA with the Jensen PIO caps) and can hold it's own without the Academy. I can switch out the Academy with the push of a button. My listening chair is off axis from the La Scala's horns but I can hear it fine. The primary reason for the Academy is a good number of the DVD's have poorly mixed dialogue and the Academy is there to make it more intelligible.
I'm really surprised. But I guess a lot of people listen to vertical cornwall's vertically too!
I'm also surprised because you actually have rare vertical cornwalls and could use one as a center easily. Have you tried that? Is it better than the LS? I would be very interested in the answer... If you decide to split them up for center use, I'll buy one from you!
Tomorrow I will switch a La Scala over to the center channel output and will lie it on it's side to hear what that sounds like. If I like the result, I might try that (if I can get over the funny look it has on its side). There are a bunch in Toronto still available, if a bit overpriced.
The Velodyne's housing is so solid that it will not even vibrate that table much under normal use. However, I rarely play albums even though I have over 650 of them. It is nice to plop one on the table when I am in the mood though.And I suppose it doesn't do much anyway with an LP playing!
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On 11/10/2004 12:51:17 PM J.4knee wrote:Since I am not familiar with your TV I'll have ot ask a dumb question or two.Does it sit on a stand or does it sit on a speaker box of sort incorporated into it. If it just the speakerless TV why not try a split La Scala? Put the HF section above the TV and the Bass bin below it.
I wish I had the model number with me, but it has a rather tallish integrated stand where its speakers are. No room below the screen. This is not an HDTV. It's a 52 inch Samsumg RPTV purchased in winter 2001.
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----------------On 11/10/2004 11:41:39 AM CaptnBob wrote:For some reason - differences in measuring techniques or something - the earlier LaScala literature claims a frequency response of 45hz.-17khz. + - 5dB, efficiency of 104 dB for one watt at four feet (107 with flat network), a driver consist of a K-77, a K-55-V and a K-33, with a power handling capacity of 70 watts. Crossover points are 400 and 6000 hz.I think we need to launch an investigation into what happened to those 8 cycles on the low end.
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There had 45 Hz at -5dB and now it's 53 Hz at -3 dB. Could be the same...
What's more interesting is 104 db at 1W and 4 feet compared to today's 104 db at 1W and 1 meter. I had seen someplace that the 104 dB at 4 feet translated to 106 dB at 1 meter.
But I've never seen a 70W rating; always 100W (except for the industrial version at 200W).
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----------------On 11/10/2004 12:04:54 PM Frzninvt wrote:Here is a photo, I also have an Academy on top of the TV to aid in dispersion.----------------
I was thinking that a La Scala on its side wouldn't work well precisely because of the mid-horn dispersion. So I'm reluctant to do that. My TV has a higher integrated stand than yours, so I'd have to put the La Scala suspended over the TV.
How does your La Scala work out if the Academy isn't hooked-up? I presume it doesn't work too well for those seated off-center?
BTW, nice rack of stuff! What's that NAD? And can you really put a turntable on top of a sub? Once I put an empty port glass on my sub and a good LFE scence made it tip over. Nice finish on that La Scala... And KHorns to boot! Sweet!
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Thanks for the review! I was avoiding it, thinking it would have too mature content for my 7 year-old (who acts like a preteen) but now I'll likely get it for her.
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----------------On 11/10/2004 10:32:34 AM ironwoods wrote:----------------On 11/9/2004 6:49:20 PM psg wrote:You do realise that the great majority of today's speakers with double binding posts are forbi-wiringand not by-amplifying, right? Hopefully it's okay to do what you are doing, otherwise you'll adversely affect one of both of your amps.----------------Hi, why do you say this? I don't see what bad effects this would have on an amp, however I'm still be schooled.Speakers.... 'nother story, but the filter should do, what it was designed for.----------------
Well, it really depends on what the crossover is doing and how things are interconnected there. If there wasn't a likely problem, why would the speaker manual warn that the double posts are for by-wiring and not by-amp'ing? I'm think that if the levels aren't perfectly matched, you might be feeding the current from the higher level amplifier into the lower one. Ouch. But what do I know...
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On 11/10/2004 10:48:03 AM Frzninvt wrote:Why not a single La Scala PSG? It seems to me that would be the absolute best! However, I certainly understand if you cannot squeeze it in, it is deep at 24"+ I found a single for $300 it had sat upstairs in a barn for a few years in heat and bitter cold. It worked perfectly when I brought it home and connected it.
The height is the problem. I have, I think, 36 inches between the top of my RPTV and the ceiling. I'd want the speaker titlted down a bit. The only way a La Scala could fit is if the tilted-up back portion went up through the suspended ceiling to the rafters. The WAF might not be too high on that; but I'm not sure.
But yeah, that would be sweet for sound...
But hey, now I know you're close to the border! I could have a speaker delivered to you and I'm there an 8 hour drive later!
I wonder how much a single Heresy retails for, brand-new...
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Doudou wrote:
putting two speakers of 8 ohm in parallel is like one speaker of 4ohm be carrefull!!!Right. My h/k avr-325 is okay with that...and don t set your amp at +Xdb for the center but decrease the output for your lascalas.Why? I'd rather leave the mains at 0dB and adjust the others. I don't want to increase the noise floor on the La Scala's. But as long as I don't overdrive the speaker with the highest +Xdb offset, I should be okay, right?
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The KG4 is a very nice speaker. I still have the pair that I bought in 1985. They sound great in a small to medium sized room. They just don't work out too well as a center while using Heritage mains. In the KG4, the dialog frequencies are mostly produced by the 8" direct radiators (the crossover frequency is 1800Hz in this 2-way system) while the dialog from a Heritage speaker (3-way system) is produced by the mid range horn. I think this accounts for the mismatch in the sonic qualities.
Thanks! Based on this, I have decided to hold off and wait for Heresy's (or a single vertical cornwall!).
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Ocasionally I listen to the odd sound track CD on my system (The Last Samuari, Gladiator) which sounds pretty good on the RF-7s but my favourite thing was listening to Hotel California from the Eagles DVD in DTS sound (before the disc decided to die).
Track 17 or 18... There's a track where the main vocalist is also playing the drums. When he kicks the bass drum, do the RF-7 pound you in the chest? If so, you likely don't need a sub for music. If not, then you do. Adding a sub made that difference for me with La Scala's, but they don't go as low as the RF-7, so I don't apriori know the answer to that question as it concerns you.
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First you should tell us why you don't like them...
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s/impendence/impedance/
s/LEF/LFE/
sorry about the typos... time for bed.
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The avr-525 is fine with Klipsch, and has plenty of high-current power for when the impendence of the RF-7 drops at certain frequencies. It should do fine. Plus it has nice bass management, so you can set them to "large" and sub to "LEF + R/L" with a crossover of 40 or 60 Hz for that added edge.
My h/k avr-325 drives La Scala's, with the bottom end re-inforced by a Hsu STF-3.
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On 11/9/2004 7:11:46 PM nicholtl wrote:On 11/9/2004 6:54:38 PM psg wrote:Then I put in my Diana Krall DVD "Live in Paris"; now there's talent!This is undoubtedly your favorite disc, since this is like the 10th time you've mentioned it.
Sorry about that. I got it a couple of weeks ago and I'm still thrilled every time I put it on. But I promise I won't mention anymore. Can't say I'll stop bothering everyone about possible centers for my La Scala's though!
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2002... Thanks! At least they are recent!
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Yeah, I recorded Britney Spears' Miami concert on my PVR a while ago, just to see what the fuss is about. Most songs are obviously lip-synced, except a few (which sound different!) when she's quietly sitting at a piano. But then, they show an angle such that you think she's playing, but she's not! What's the point!
Then I put in my Diana Krall DVD "Live in Paris"; now there's talent!
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The speakers, like a lot of'em now, have dual inputs pairs, which allow splitting the crossover by removing the jumper between the hi and low frequency pairs. True, the amps are sending a full range signal to each input pair, but the crossovers send only a low-passed signal to the woofers, while the mids and tweeters get a high-passed signal that is then split again between midrange and tweeter drivers. In my speakers, the crossover points are at 350Hz and 4000Hz. I suppose some amplifier power is being wasted this way, compared to the more pure form of bi-amping you are talking about.
You do realise that the great majority of today's speakers with double binding posts are for bi-wiring and not by-amplifying, right? Hopefully it's okay to do what you are doing, otherwise you'll adversely affect one of both of your amps.
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Where should the RC-7 fit in my preference order for a center for La Scala's?
pair of KG4 -> pair of KG4.2 -> pair of Heresy -> single vertical conwall
Probably between KG4.2 and Heresey?
The RC-7 is heavy, not wouldn't be as heavy to ship as a pair of Heresy's...
Decisions, decisions... I haven't made up my mind on the KG4s. Buying them now means if something better comes along before at least 3 months is bad for the WAF. Maybe the RC-7 would be a better choice, except I can't use it as standalone speakers if it doesn't work out with the La Scala...
Is it worth buy HK AVR-130?
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My h/k avr-325 is a refurb from ecost.com. No problems with it...