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Russ: While I agree that perfection is impossible, I do think that the problems I experienced had more to do with the systems that were or were not in place. Prior to boxing up a $1200 per pair speaker, I would expect that the manufacturer would ensure that the all the screws were at least inserted. A basic visual inspection would reveal that the woofer was hanging out of the box. People that take pride in their work ensure that stuff like this will not happen. The only reason I have relayed my story is that there seems to be a common misconception that moving production overseas is the reason for these qc issues. My experience is that where the speaker is put together has nothing to do with it.

---------------- On 2/20/2005 10:38:19 PM minn_male42 wrote: ---------------- On 2/20/2005 10:31:41 PM tonygeno wrote: ---------------- On 2/20/2005 10:23:04 PM Dylanl wrote: Tell us the end of the story. Did you take them back? Did Klipsch work this out for you? There is no excuse for poor quality on Klipsch part but they should try to repair whatever bad has been done. ---------------- Well, I took them back and got a set of Heresys. Problem with this set was that 3 of the screws on one woofer were stripped and two on the other were stripped. You couldn't tighten them and they just fell out. I ended up dealing directly with the factory who agreed to supply me with a brand new set of KLF-20s, custom built for me. These arrived in great shape, but really, getting screws to stay put, or put in in the first place ain't that hard. Quality control, based on my limited experience, does not seem to be part of the Klipsch manufacturing process. ---------------- sounds like a great story of customer service from klipsch!!! will the boys over at av123 custom build you a set of rockets to solve a problem??? .... probably not..... btw - my KLF-30's were in perfect condition when i got them.... and i was the second owner!!! ---------------- To me it sounds like poor quality control. It actually took several phone calls, a number of posts on this board (which seem to have been removed, but that is probably due to their age) to get the situation resolved. I don't doubt that Klipsch went out of their way to accomodate me, but my point is that they shouldn't have had to. Again, it ain't too hard to ensure that all the screws are present on a speaker. How does a speaker exit the factory with the woofer hanging out of the cabinet? It boggles the mind.

---------------- On 2/20/2005 10:23:04 PM Dylanl wrote: Tell us the end of the story. Did you take them back? Did Klipsch work this out for you? There is no excuse for poor quality on Klipsch part but they should try to repair whatever bad has been done. ---------------- Well, I took them back and got a set of Heresys. Problem with this set was that 3 of the screws on one woofer were stripped and two on the other were stripped. You couldn't tighten them and they just fell out. I ended up dealing directly with the factory who agreed to supply me with a brand new set of KLF-20s, custom built for me. These arrived in great shape, but really, getting screws to stay put, or put in in the first place ain't that hard. Quality control, based on my limited experience, does not seem to be part of the Klipsch manufacturing process.

---------------- On 2/20/2005 9:53:53 PM MrMcGoo wrote: Goods made in China tend to be of lower quality IMO. It takes many years to develop goodwill; it takes a much shorter time to destroy it. Bill ---------------- Take a look at the Onix Reference, Swan Divas, NHTs, Wharfedale Pacific, Von Schweikert: all made in China and fantastic build and finish quality. The finish on the Onix in particular are equal to high end furniture. No, the quality issues relating to Klipsch have little to do with where they're made and much to do with a corporate mentality that allows missing screws and poor veneer finish to slip through the cracks. Here's a true story for you. About 4 years ago I bought a pair of KLF-20s from Percy's in Worcester, Mass. Upon taking them home, one of the woofers was missing two screws and the driver was literally hanging out of the cabinet. How the heck does that pass quality control? And this was made in Hope. Don't blame the Chinese. Blame the dopes in Indianapolis who evidently don't care if this level of "quality" makes it to the marketplace.

---------------- On 2/19/2005 11:17:27 PM popbumper wrote: Tony: As Frzninvt shared, I tried the combo of Heresy II center with Forte L&R, and the mismatch was blatant and unbearable. For purpose of argument, do not try and match any Heresy to any Forte, as the squawker/tweeters are substantially different and do not sound good together. Suggestions for center to Fortes: 1) Forte best; 2) Academy next; 3) KG series next. I had good success with KG2's before my Academy, it was very close though Academy was undoubtedly superior. Good luck! Chris ---------------- Thanks, Chris. I've decided to forgo the Fortes and go with Heresys all around. Since I'm using two very good sealed subs (each with 2 12" woofers), I don't think the superior bass of the Forte will be any advantage in my setup.

---------------- On 2/19/2005 4:31:32 PM iwillwalk wrote: save $150 & buy the ones for 400.00 ---------------- If they won't match that well, why would you recommend this???

I've decided to forgo the Fortes and use 5 Heresy IIs all around. I have a pair and two more are on the way. I'll have an extra if I need it.

Nevermind...

---------------- On 2/19/2005 11:07:24 AM j-malotky wrote: If you look at that thread they are comparing the forte2 (tractrix) to heresy2. The older forte 1 (exponential) is a great timbre match with Heresy 2. JM ---------------- That's what I thought, but I wanted to make sure. Would be pans between the fronts and center be seamless? Would pink noise tonality be similar? In a situation where I'm crossing over at 80hz, would there be any benefit to going with the Forte over the Heresy as mains? The Forte can be purchased locally for $400 while the Heresy II would be around $550. I like the size factor of the Heresy. If I were ever to want to unload the Forte, I'd need to do it locally I think as the seller has ditched the cartons.

Thanks. Since I'm looking for a mixed multi channel music and HT setup, it sounds like I'll be better off with Heresys all around. Timbre match is important to me.

Will these timbre match? I am thinking of using the Fortes as Left and Right and the Heresy II as Center and Surrounds and was wondering if they'd be a tonal match.

Why doesn't Klipsch secure the foam at manufacture? Seems kind of strange that they would allow countless RF-7 to not fully appreciate their speakers due to this design flaw. Am I missing something?

---------------- On 2/8/2005 9:40:13 AM GeorgeV wrote: Wow!!! That's a lot for Forte 2's. I'm trying to sell mine for $600 plus shipping. ---------------- Put 'em on ebay.

---------------- On 2/7/2005 6:11:17 PM Gramas701 wrote: you'll find that you will get the "brightest" picture at eye level, if you mount it up higher most people end up cranking the birghtness.... ---------------- My plasma looks pretty much the same from all angles. Don't know why you'd crank the brightness.

Try cat repellant around the speaker, or citrus spray which cats hate. That should keep the cat away. Once I had a set of Maggie 2.7s (large, planar speakers covered with fabric). My gal decided to show me, backed up against it and left a 9" half moon of pee at the base of the speaker. The Maggies (after grill replacement) are long gone. Jasmine is still a (happy) member of our household. I do think the cat repellant should work in your situation though. Good luck.

---------------- On 2/5/2005 10:17:40 AM Chris Robinson wrote: I have a 50" Panny and I sit about 11' from it, sitting on a sofa. My eyes are horizontally aligned with the bottom edge of the screen, so I'm kind of looking upward at it. I find this to be a very comfortable arrangement, since I'm usually leaning back while vegging on the couch ---------------- And with the progressive bifocals that many of us 50 somethings wear, the slightly higher height makes it easier to focus on the top part of the lenses which are for distance viewing.

Location? How about selling the 7.0 and doing the subs separately?

These have appeared on the board before. I think they have been rather extensively modified. I had a brief email exchange with the seller but he never responded to my request for more information. Maybe it got lost in the ether?

---------------- On 1/30/2005 8:47:24 PM analogman wrote: If you're able to pick them up, you can buy TWO pair from me for $800.00. I would want you to see them first anyway. I live near San Francisco. Analogman ---------------- Well, since I live in Plymouth, Mass, that won't be able to happen. I was just visiting San Fran with my family the week between Christmas and New Years. Thanks for the offer.

---------------- On 1/30/2005 8:20:54 PM analogman wrote: Use an ice pick or similar to check, maybe the hole was never there to begin with. I've got a pair of Heresy that came with only THREE screws and holes for each woofer. Analogman ---------------- Sounds like a distinct possibility. Each speaker is missing a screw in a different spot. Maybe they were made on a Monday.

Thanks, Analogman. Broken screw is defintely a possiblity as it appears that there's metal underneath the foam. I'm not going to worry too much about it. They sure do sound good. I'm thinking of grabbing another 2 pair for a 5 channel setup. I'm thinking about Ebay but very few folks maintained the original boxes, so I'm worried about shipping. I can get a new pair for $800. What do you think?

Further investigation shows that whatever is in those holes is hard. At least I know they're not leaking air, so I guess I'll leave well enough along. BTW, based on my serial number, would I be safe to assume that they were manufactured in 1986? Thanks.

---------------- On 1/30/2005 6:38:49 PM analogman wrote: Hello again, There is a rectangular piece of foam inside the Heresy II, don't know if that's what you are seeing. Analogman ---------------- Sounds like it might be. I wonder if the holes are stripped? I guess I need to insert a screw to find out. Thanks.

I just picked up a set of Heresy IIs in excellent shape. They look to be about 15 years old. Serial numbers are 869703 and 869704. Both speakers are missing one screw in each woofer. All the other screws a torqued down very tight. The missing screw hole seems to be filled with foam. Is this normal or should all the screws holes have screws in them? (One would think so but you never know). Thanks for any help.

---------------- On 1/26/2005 2:09:12 AM timbley wrote: ---------------- On 1/23/2005 10:23:29 AM tonygeno wrote: I'm not sure I understand this. The hi-rez inputs of the Panny are digitized at 96/24 in 6 channel mode and 192/24 in 2 channel mode. So aren't you utilizing an additional digital conversion with the Panny's internal DAC's? ---------------- I'm not using the hi-rez/analog inputs of the panny. I'm using an external ADC to convert my phono preamp to digital, which is then sent to the Pannys via the optical or coaxial digital input, at 96/24. ---------------- I get it. When I saw "hi-rez" I immediately assumed it was the analog input. Thanks for setting it straight.