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if you have been here a bit you know i have a like new set of show special Belle Klipsch which i hardly use. Every now and again i get the urge to sell them mainly because i don't use them and/or the wife is pissing me off and i don't want to move them. Christmas has just passed and the holiday music played with beautiful resonance. a thing of beauty to be sure - i can't imagine a nicer sound. there really is no other speaker - but now they sit there unused - just collecting the daily mail. Next step => i have an 8 year old son - great kid- he received and ipod for Christmas and wants to play video games on the pod. i told him it is not about the games on the 1" screen but the music. What music he said? what do you like what do you want to hear again? "can we download some more games" he replied.!!!! i have apparently failed in music education of my kid.!! (we sent the ipod back because the sound was/is terrible and bought a Zune and a Sennheiser headset ) where i lived before here we had a lot of really great radio stations. here(central virginia) even with an antenna i can't get a decent sound source. so i guess the thing to do here is to have music on all the time-let him decide what he likes- and i thought maybe the sirius sat radio would provide a constant stream of music. i know a guy who has one and it sounds ok thru a boombox or car radio But Does Anyone Here have experience connecting sirius to their klipsch stereo? is it a good thing? OR burn your favorite music to a cd and send it to Hanley thanks bob rob

label speakers have been in the box for half of the time out of town - moves and i put them away when doing any major dusty work on the old house the cane does darken some with age and could use a wipe down now

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photo right spkr think i'll go read camera manual it's not how they look as much as how they sound if you are serious maybe someone nearby will bring an integrated amp over and check them i can thank photo shop for the wavy interference pattern if you right click and save (to desktop) then open the photo the wavies aren't seen

will take digital photos tomorrow am what size in KB ? where are instructions to post here?

these guys are too cheap i'll sell you my 1980 wo (special cane grill) belles for $2400 hardly used never abused with original boxes

ya got a job? if the wfe objects to the plain look of the la scalas' tell her to look in the mirror if she still objects ask her for her key to the house and get her a reservation at a local motel get a lawyer get yourself free if she wants her own room- buy her a good hammer and saw and get a pile of wood i'm 57 yrs old now my mom wanted the home her way -my wife is the same it is a misery of crap female expectations if she doesn't like the speakers -walk =it gets alot worse

if they hadn't been beat i.e. carefully used by an original owner i'd pay that- $1500 is ok if he sells them on an online auction and has to ship them it will cost $150 to pack them -maybe he will reduce the price a hundred $ the seller being local is a $200 - $250 savings to you cuz you don't have to pay shipping if you can get the original boxes that is a big plus it's more about the sound -- if you get a great deal but find you don't like them; it is a fair piece of exercise moving them -- it's a clear sound without the excess bass of modern speakers you might find the tweeter a little bright tho i just clip the treble back a notch if you like them you will keep them forever i have had my belles for 25 years & wouldn't consider anything else

does tube space charge count in a tube type pre amp if you are using a cd player for input? what is the ouput from a cd? is a nice tube pre/amp going to help take out the nasty edge from a cd? what is the output voltage from a cd player?

guess the final price i say $ 4100 what is your estimate??

let us see i gave my 1976 heresy pair away after i bought a pair of belle klipsch and heard the difference and at $406 your minimum hasn't been met?????????? what are you thinking??? $400 is a great price you should pay the shipping at that price

thanks for the posts i'll start checking them out. the hi-fi market for 2 channel sure seems to have moved to a higher priced niche. certainly not what i expected. i expected to find some decent performance in a modern amp with out going hi end in price the thing that makes me reticent about old tube amps is i had them in the early 60's people used to throw them out or give to you when mono changed to stereo or when they moved . i had scotts and dynakits and a zenith mono amps recievers mono fm tuners. some worked some i had to fix some i just took apart. i had some old speakers magnavox i think.now and then i would upgrade the speakers man those old amps were heavy- must of been 2 miles of wire in those transformers- but those transformers always warm to hot and now they are like 40 years old?? those old components were nice but i never thought they were special -maybe if i had better speakers then i might have a higher opinion of the tube amps' quality what really frys me now is- i had 6 old amps left in my folks attic and you guessed it they cleaned up the attic - threw em out along with about 400 new and used tubes and 5 antique radios (and a complete set a playboy magazines) he paid a guy with a truck $50 to haul it all to the dump ! who would of thought people would be recommending this 40 yr old audio now? that dyna ST 70 kit looks like fun what would be the preamp for it? thanks again for the posts

hey thebes thanks for the post very thoughtful !! seems you understand what i'm thinking i'm looking for something recent and decent new stuff doesn't seem to have the output transformers but at least the newer stuff isn't 40 years old if i want an old pain in the butt i'll go out to the garage work on my 64 sl i don't know how many belles, lascalas and khorns are out there but i can't believe someone hasn't built an amp that perfectly matches the big klipsch speakers

what amp and speakers do you have? as for the vintage amps i had them in the early 60's they were ok but nothing better in the last 40 years??? considering the advances in electronics in the last 10-20 years i can't imagine someone hasn't made a better amp

thanks for the positive comments guys so far i have had recommendations for: jolidia 102 & 202 all tube integrated amp made in china (a lotta stuff we buy made in china seems to go to the garbage in 6 months) $600 & $850 doesn't have bass or treble adjustment jolida 1501a tube pre with ss amp $1100 made in china -see above-no tone controls again arcam A-80 used $800 good reputation but uk brand made in china -seems i bought some NAD amps uk brand made in china-not a good match for quality audio not sure i want to go there again there was a pair of mcintosh 30's for sale last friday for $1495 on audiolog but by monday the price had been raised to $2000+ then you have to rebuild em replace some resistors you have to replace the capacitors and retube and pray the 40 year old transformers are still good then i have to buy a pre/amp this is more the price of the speakers AudioSource Amp 100 $150 Pre-One/A $150 made in china < actually came recommended > i guess if it's trash i'll be $500 less pissed when it goes to the trash the belles have been with out an amp about 4 years now = new house /15 yr 5% mortgage &paying down the bills comes before tunes the 2 channel audio marketplace seems to have changed and the choices are fewer

say what you have to say!! maybe something good will come of it - it's a bbs & unless you are really putting someone else down spit it out ! i have my nice speakers and was shopping for an amp/preamp and i haven't found any thing new and decent hasn't anything good happened it amps in the last 10-15 years?

i started with a used fisher back about 1959 it was mono - what wasn't then my first new amp was a scott in about 1963-64 still mono and tubes i gave up hifi in the mid 60's to go off to school- beer - cars- the usual - just starting stereo some of my old stereo lp's were mono remastered to stereo in the late 60's i had a used pioneer system. i think the beatles white album and the pioneer burned out at the same time the late 60's and early 70's was devoted to driving an old vw bus down every road in the us and canada just having a look see my next system was a scott -transistor amp-about 40 watts and some used pioneer speakers about 1975 i bought a pair of klipsch heresy -nice-(so i thought) the scott amp didn't do well with the heresy s' tho so i bought a nad then i bought the belle klipsch - a total thing of beauty nice speakers - crummy integ amp now --after 10 years of not using these beauty speakers- - to repower them i have to spend alot of money (and pay to rebuild) for some amp i threw away 40 years ago?? the scotts and fishers really weren't that good then maybe the mcintosh was- but i hadn't ever had a mcintosh hasn't anything good happened in the last 10+ years in amps??? no decent amps ? i am not going to spend $2000-$2500 for a pair of used mc 30's and plus some used pre/amp plus rebuild and retube there has to be something recent and decent that's what i am seeing these belles are great why hasn't anyone built an amp to match them? and yes i am having a website / browser hassle totally not working as usual i try hosing the cookies& cache

totally not a joke i have been reading reviews and comparing specs for a couple of weeks it really appears that the amps for 2 channel are crap a whole world of stuff if i want 5.1 or 7.1 but i have 2 speakers and 2 ears limit like $800 and it should have bass and treble controls on the pre so i can turn down the high end 2 notches cause the belles can be too bright unless you put a beach towel over the tweeter i have cds only old vinyl was trash

ok whay is your point?????? do you have a recommendation for amp/preamp? or do you want to buy a pair of belle k? if you haven't been on the market for a decent amp lately you may be surprised by crap out there

no i can't find a decent amp for a reasonable price i really don't know what has happened to 2 channel audio in the last 10 years the belle klipsch are just great i can't imagine it gets much better i had a pair of heresy 's and loved em till i got the belles the belles are so much better buddy from the stereo store had the k horns sold 'em when he moved and bought la scala's later - he liked the belles too another bud had magna-planars after 2 amps they burned out they sounded ok while they worked my belles are nicer than your center mine has the cane over the black grille cloth looks like the same oiled walnut veneer mine has a small white ring where dreaded previous girlfriend put a leaky vase of flowers bet you can't find it tho new otherwise

can't find your wallet huh ?? i know the feeling think new hardly used bring integrated amp and listen last i heard they don't make these any more if they aren't like new don't buy'em it's the sound i'm looking at spending more to repower these speakers than they cost it appears there are no decent 2 channel amps/pre amps available i can buy cheap crap like audiosource or nad or i can buy a 40 year old mcintosh and preamp for $2500 then spend $800 to have it rebuilt then spend way too much to retube it with 3rd world crap (there is a reason we call it the 3rd world) i can't believe that klipsch has sunk so low it appears to be more profitable to sell plastic chinese imports than to employ americans in arkansas the present management at klipsch can't even spend the money for adequate software or knowledgeable computer it professionals for this website instead of selling imported stuff from the third world - what if - klipsch inc. sold quality 2 channel speakers with a matching amplifier/preamp (who needs 5 or 7 plastic speakers barking at you from all around the room?) quality case & drivers and matching electronics? if you design and build quality speakers and the matching amp it would be hard to go wrong i'm selling these speakers maybe the next buyer of the klipsch name will know hifi

i have a camera can take pic if you want they look new with cane over black cloth grills cane darkened some with age but i won't go near the oiled walnut veneer with a soapy wash cloth to wash the speaker grills these were show special speakers for the 1979 ny audio show

fredericksburg virginia

BK-WO #3U598 #3U599 $2400 hardly used never abused you pick up i still have the original boxes

I hear some very positive things about the Crown D 45 and Crown D 75A thanks for the input dadd d i really haven't had much advice here there really doesn't seem to be many options for 2 channel any more i only have 2 ears really don't need more than 2 really good speakers