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57 minutes ago, Chief bonehead said:
Because I don’t like it when you stomp on others with your supposed knowledge when I know that what you said is questionable or just flat out wrong. Like I said….this isn’t audio karma brother.
And you ain't Paul Klipsch, so what? And you know I'm not wrong about horns on walls, corners and no corners.
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1 hour ago, Chief bonehead said:
No one is questioning your loyalty to Paul. What I question is your absolute stomping on others opinions….with….wait for it….your opinion. That’s all.
OK, then, I should have said to Marvel: It's my OPINION that a Khorn against the wall is not as good as a Khorn in a CORNER that "completes the horn" as it was designed over 75 years ago to go below 60 Hz. at it's full effective length.
One of the things I learned from Paul, who urged me to join the Audio Engineering Society, is that, I have a very low tolerance for bullshit in audio. Selectively allowed to exist on this forum from favored posters. Not naming names of course, because that would only be another opinion. However, this forum has less of it than many of the others out there for anyone looking.
As to your "curves challenge," I'd like to see YOUR curves from 1977. I was 23 when I could finally afford Khorns, with my very first bank loan, while you were a 13 year old, new teen ager. It's not like we had free software, computers, and cheap omni microphones available back then for the task like we do now. So the average amateur, like me, has very few excuses for not having DATA to back up their "conclusions" so strongly and incompletely stated. I had Khorns for 30 years with a mono middle. I sold them in 2007 to get MWMs with K-402s with subwoofers. There's still a lot for me to learn about bass below 60 Hz. either way. LOL.
besides all that, the Midrange is where we live, remember? And you designed way more Mid Horns than bass horns, last I looked..............................until very recently, of course. Also not an opinion.
If my bullshit opinion was not deemed to be of higher quality than the rest of them, why do you even bother with it?
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3 hours ago, Marvel said:
I'm getting back to you. That WAS my point.
Your point was made nearly false by mentioning "brick wall" and "rocking" as an adjective. It was clearly your fuzzy reading OPINION. Now go mount those 12" drivers into the Snail Horns I sold you for less than the cost of the lumber.
Then you can start a thread when you measure them in and out of corners and show CURVES instead of mere WORDS, however Incomplete your data or points of reading might otherwise be.
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11 hours ago, Chief bonehead said:
It is his opinion….lol!
I'm glad you find this forum to be free entertainment, Chief. I would also, if I were in your shoes. LOL
If my "opinion" is factually wrong, then why did Paul create 4 ft. corners to Complete the K-Horn Mouth in his own home, while also writing about it in the Dope From Hope?
Yes, a Khorn in a living room, against only a wall, is not as good as in a corner, especially since PWK recommended having "sealing flaps" for use in a corner to increase output above 300 Hz., aye?
Also, why did everyone get on my case when I posted YOUR curves of the U-Jube NOT in a corner with it's 60 Hz. drop off? I just want to know the threshold of where and when fact suddenly is deemed to be public "opinion?"
I had to build one of those false corners in order to move my Khorns to an apartment for a year in 1978, until my wife and I bought our starter house.
Having and early influence of PWK in my teens, certainly got me going after the Physics of it all beyond just Consumer Music Enjoyment.
My father's name was Paul. My only son's name is Paul. Paul Klipsch was the same age as my dad's mom (my most influential Grandparent born the same year as Paul Klipsch). Whether it's mere coincidence or divine intervention, I have certainly enjoyed the Paul connections in my life, and still do.
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29 minutes ago, Marvel said:
It's not a brickwall cutoff... perhaps you've never actually heard some pulled out from the corners to comment accurately on how they sound. Then again, that would be your opinion.
Perhaps you can't even imagine how many speakers I have heard over the years, which would also more than validate my "opinion."
IjJust measured Khorns without false corners years ago in 1977 with a db meter which is all I had then. A Klipschorn is only a 4 foot long horn out of a corner, with a rear exit, and it does have less bass against a wall vs. a PROPER sealed corner.
Where are your measurements?
Speakers do not have "brickwall cutoff." Horns can actually output bass below their cutoff.
So basically, all the "rocking" you did was mostly 60 Hz. on up.
Get back to me when you have curves that contradict this. I'm betting you won't either way.
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On 11/5/2022 at 9:10 PM, Marvel said:
The first khorns I ever heard were far out from the corners and they rocked!
Only down to 60 Hz. without corners, however.
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On 10/4/2021 at 5:43 PM, mdm7eb said:
I should say prioritize the pre-amp. Most modern amps are technically sufficient and often times it is the preamp that is lacking.
This is why I have Yamaha Pre Pros for 2.1 and 7.2.4 Dolby Atmos. High end performance with everything built in, including the fabulous ESS Sabre DACs. Now all newer stuff from China is good and it's cheaper if you select carefully.
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On 10/4/2021 at 12:45 PM, Kalifornian said:
This is so true. My entire audio journey I always had upgraditis. Once I moved to K402 on top of dual 18" direct radiator jbl lowers with ss on the lowers and tube amp on the k402 i have had ZERO desire to change anything. This is audio nirvana for me (ymmv)
Saul Marantz himself told me to use Tubes on top and Solid State on the bottom, in 1976. I have always followed his advice. It has never failed me. Had all really good tube stuff in my teens, 20's and mid 30's. I'm done with all the fussiness and permanent "tone controls" and "euphonic distortions" of tubes. As pleasant as they may be, I now prefer affordable "straight wire with gain," which modern class D amps do easily and without load dependence. Now all I do is add more amp channels and more drivers. Real progress when you get your head out of the 70's.
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9 hours ago, jjptkd said:
I have solid state amps as well, still have a PA5 actually but where the disconnect for me is believing the lower the distortion of an amplifier the "better" it sounds I call BS on that. For one thing I don't think our ears can distinguish between .1 and .01 let alone .001 and .0001 distortion numbers at some point it becomes irrelevant. Just like speakers with a frequency response up to 35khz I'm not playing music for my dog if it's way beyond my hearing threshold I find it hard to believe that it really "adds" anything to the music or becomes "more" neutral.
I can understand also. I was a Tube guy once. I just got more experience later in a different direction. Kept the best and kept going. Personal choice is still Personal Choice.
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22 hours ago, henry4841 said:
Nice these days to have a choice. I personally believe every serious audiophile should have both, a good SS amplifier and a SET tube amplifier for a different sound to enjoy.
I totally agree with these sentiments. I just got the "valve fussiness" out of my system long ago.
Valves are now like swimming pools, yachts, and Ferraris to me. I don't want to own them. I just want a set of Keys from those who do, so I can enjoy them when they are in Europe on vacation! LOL.
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16 hours ago, jjptkd said:
That's taking it a bit far these amps are decent- and impressive for what they are but I found them lifeless compared to my Carver tube amps, just no where near as enjoyable. Just because they spec better than most amps doesn't mean it sounds better sorry.
Another opinion concerning Tube Amps, not class D Chip amps. fish out of water..............
MY Qualifier for amps is NEUTRALITY given by SINAD testing. Valves have terrible numbers in comparison, which means they are a preferred distortion over neutrality. Nothing wrong with that preference if it floats your ears.
I had all those in my teens, 20's and 30's. I like the new Millenium better.
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1 hour ago, Vahorns said:
I have 5 Cornwall 1s circa 1982 - and the following sources - turntable, CD, AM-FM tuner and possibly a Blu Ray disc machine plus external DAC. I also plan to look at adding a new Klipsch horn loaded subwoofer after they become available.
I am looking for guidance on which preamps / AVRs I'd like to add the new amps to both systems.
Oh the DAC I use is the SCHITT Modius...
Any help is appreciated ....
There is no better value than a used Yamaha CX-A5000, with ESS Sabre DAC chips to use with PA5 II's in mains and Ayima 07's for the rest. The Yamaha was $2,500 new. Got 2 myself as refurbs for $1,300. Now you can get one for a lousy $500. YPAO room eq rocks with one mike reading. You will thank me later, I guarantee it.
Cornwalls are Fab and you may not need subs with them for music. Great 5.0 setup you will have.
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On 11/10/2023 at 6:09 PM, jjptkd said:
Had a channel mysteriously quit on me on one of mine (I had 3 at one point) so I sent it back for a refund
Nothing "mysterious" about a failure, unless you are an E Tech. trying to find the cause. You could have sent it back and waited for a version II. The best thing about Topping as a company, they are really quick at fixing their mistakes and for a lousy $250 ($100 less than I paid for my 3 versions 1's) of Inflated Cash (where a US dollar is now a dime) you could have a great power amp that trumps all the class A and or a/b amps of the world, putting out less than a 100 watts. Except, of course the $3,000 benchmark if you prefer to spend 12 times the money for something physically larger with only bragging rights vs. performance.
There is just too much negativity in our society and Internet Forums are no exception. Add to that, Heritage Klipscheads still have their Minds in the 70's when it comes to realizing that a US Dollar is now only a Dime.
So, on top of that, we are all a lot of Cheapskate Whiners. Chinese EE's give us incredible electronics for 1/3, or less, than the price you would pay if it were made here, yet y'all still whine just like the rest of the cheapa$$ Audio Communities out there.
Heritage and Pro Klipsch Speakers are still the exact same price they always were, relative to a working middle class person's buying power. They are just a clear indication of the FACT that a dollar is now a dime.
PWK would be totally amazed at how good these TI 3255 Chip Amps are. I wish he had lived to experience them.
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5 hours ago, svberger said:
Haven't tried the PA5, but have used both the Ayima A07($60 at Amazon!) and Fosi V3 3255 amps with my La Scala's, and they are a couple of the best bargains in audio presently, IMO. I prefer both of them to my McIntosh tube amps(30, 225, 240), which is something I never thought I would admit.
Close enough. I use 4 1/2 Ayima A07's for surrounds, and a PA5 for mains in HT.. I also use a PA-5, both version 1's downstairs in 2 channel. Zero failures and I never shut them off! Only the pre amps are turned off. Zero failures since day one.
Ignore the naysayers out there. They probably used them on inefficient, direct radiators, that draw too much power and got them to flame off! Horn guys never worry since we hardly ever draw more than 1 Watt!
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Just now, ClaudeJ1 said:
bass
On the good news front for me, excellent. Some bad new for friends, not to dwell on here.
I would like your impression of the sound of those. Those woofer have higher than normal inductance, but they should do very well for bass in those Snails. Just don't cross them too high and they can take quite a bit of PEQ boost if you need it. The joys of horn loading!
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bass
On the good news front for me, excellent. Some bad new for friends, not to dwell on here.
I would like your impression of the sound of those. Those woofer have higher than normal inductance, but they should do very well for bass in those Snails. Just don't cross them too high and they can take quite a bit of PEQ boost if you need it.
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2 hours ago, Marvel said:
Relatively speaking, those MWM cabinets are a simple build and sound phenomenal. 👌
Not simple as installing drivers in Snail horns instead of typing. LOL. Just yanking yer chain, a little.
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3 hours ago, dtel said:
WOW Bruce that's an old picture, I had to look it up and it's from 2009. But it still looks the same with more dust depending on how lazy I have been.
Edit: I don't seem like it but in March it will be 15 years we have those.
I was there when Mrs. Dtel and daughter all looked at each other and said "we want those."
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18 hours ago, Flevoman said:
MWM... I had to look it up 🙄
Never seen or heard anything about the MWM before.
Is this an official Klipsch bassbin?
Very impressive though
I sold my Khorns to a Canadian guy and picked up 4 MWM Singles with 4 15" woofers, which were K43's. The Klipsch original designs were like the clones in the picture (only came in black) from the commercial side in the late 70's and into the 80's. You could only get them used. They were some of the very best bass horns you could get from Klipsch at the time. Klipsch even did a commercial version of the Khorn called a TSCM with it's own built in corners that were more rugged than Khorns. A few of the more serious Klipsch freaks own those for home use. I'm pretty sure Roy re-designed these big bass horns to be shallower and mate with the 1802 Theater Horn Subwoofers that are now used in many Movie Plex Theaters.
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1 hour ago, Chief bonehead said:
You know….you can also put a heritage sub on a khorn……and a khorn is always a step up from a la scala…….
I most certainly would if I still hadD (sorry my D key will only type caitalizedD, new keyboar on on it's way) my Klipschorns of 30 years. It would have to be the largest one, though.
Large Horns still rule, even in the subwoofer universe!
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9 hours ago, Flevoman said:
@ClaudeJ1: And could you perhaps also explain why, in your opinion, the La Scala beats the Khorn in that situation?
It's more phase coherent from woofer to mid section. The heavy lifting of the low frequencies is done with a larger horn and reduces overall IM distortion in the process. And it goes much lower than just a Khorn. I had Khorns for 30 years and only upgraded to Jubilees an MWMs after 2007, including getting the Home Theater bug with more channels and subs for movie sonics. PWK put the Jube above the Khorn while Gary Gillum put the MWM there also in the commercial sector.
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On 11/24/2023 at 12:39 AM, Flevoman said:
It's quite likely that I'm asking this question way too early, and it may not be answerable yet. But I'll give it a shot 😉.
The La Scala AL-5 with the horn sub, let's say size 3, will it sound equivalent to the Klipschorn? Or might this combination possibly even sound a bit better than the Klipschorn? Both have the same midhorn and tweeter, but now the mid and high frequencies are at ear level, while the low is projected directly at the listening position, and without the timedelay that the Klipschorn seems to have. Or is this wishful thinking, and the Klipschorn will always sound different (better).
I had Khorns and a LaScala mono center with PWK's resistor box for 30 years. I think any form of LaScala in a 2.1 or, better yet, 2.2 configuration (sub front and rear room center) would trounce a pair of Khorns, but that's just my opinion. I doubt that Roy would ever make that statement in a public forum (with curves). You and I are outsiders, after all.
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Got mine and got halfway through. First class printing job as well as the packaging.
Great kleenex worthy story by the Chief.
PWK treated my wife and I like long lost grandkids when we spent a day with him the year before the Chief got aboard the Klipsch Train (referring to PWK's love of Locomotives).
Confused a little by all the white space around the "mini Dopes" that are illegible. IDK why they exist. Oh well............someone will explain.
Still a great history lesson even though I have 2 different sets of the Klipsch Papers (one set with PWK autographes in 3 places) that contain DFH's I read before in over-Xeroxed PDFs.
I do appreciate the authenticity of the color reproductions of the original paper stocks on pure white.
This book is precious and first class. Congrats to the team on the excellent collaboration.
Mr. K called me "one of his Victims" when I met him. It's still true today.
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On 11/24/2023 at 12:39 AM, Flevoman said:
It's quite likely that I'm asking this question way too early, and it may not be answerable yet. But I'll give it a shot 😉.
The La Scala AL-5 with the horn sub, let's say size 3, will it sound equivalent to the Klipschorn? Or might this combination possibly even sound a bit better than the Klipschorn? Both have the same midhorn and tweeter, but now the mid and high frequencies are at ear level, while the low is projected directly at the listening position, and without the timedelay that the Klipschorn seems to have. Or is this wishful thinking, and the Klipschorn will always sound different (better).
Wishful thinking................................maybe not!
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