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16 hours ago, svberger said:
Thanks.
So in other words, so they still would need perfect corners to be used as is?
Those look exactly like my 1977 KCBR's. The very BEST year they were made, IMHO. If you just add plywood to further enclose the horns they will perform good enough not to fit tightly into a corner (real or built). I had to build ONE false corner for my pair, while Paul W. Klipsch himself had 2 false corners for his setup at home.
I you add plywood and seal the sides, acting as a "partial corner" built onto the horn (bass section only), then it will allow for bending the old "you must have a perfect corner" Rules, quite a bit before you have a performance issue.
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19 hours ago, JohnJ said:
& who was it that opened police stations in CA and NYC recently?
HTF can that be when they
arewere foreign to our soil?Look up the word, Fascism, the current state of affairs what has evolved in the new millennium since 9/11.
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16 hours ago, babadono said:
I want to make sure I understand...I bought a brand new pair of speakers for $5000 with money I already paid income taxes on. I enjoyed them for 10 years. Being a normal joe wage slave I could not write off any portion of this expense as capital acquisition or depreciate any of it over the years. I sell them for $2000 to some other normal joe and the $2000 is income to me? Sounds more like I had a $3000 loss.
You forgot to add that you paid State Sales tax on those $5000 speakers too. So selling them at a loss should be a tax Deduction against the income, right?
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1 hour ago, deang said:
Agreed. I don't mind paying a little for a decent service that gives me and my customers some protection -- and F&F is always there is they're comfortable with it.
The problem is the ridiculous eBay selling fees. Yikes.
No, the most ridiculous part is the BUYER has to pay State Sales TAX on used items. WTF, they even charge tax on the frikkin' SHIPPING!
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On 10/3/2022 at 9:54 PM, tragusa3 said:
For the last 12 years, I ran 3 LaScala's across the front.
So did you move your L and R LaScalas to side duty in 5.1?
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16 minutes ago, Islander said:
After a while, he replaced the H700 with a Cornwall for bigger sound, and then a La Scala.
Actually it was the Belle he replaced it with. For lower distortion AND to match the Walnut Oiled Khorns in his house (saw and heard them myself). Since I could only afford the Birch Khorns, I used a LaScala center because everything was Tung Oiled Birch with no stain, but that was the exception.
Of course, then people started buying the Belles in Pairs for 2 channel. I think they were the "Prettiest" of the Klipsch Heritage.
But I think it made sense to do what Klipsch did which is quit the Belles and made the LaScalas pretty instead because the majority of people did not use a center channel for stereo (I did for 30 years) and LaScalas don't have to have corners either, as you all know.
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On 10/3/2022 at 9:54 PM, tragusa3 said:
Just changed to Khorns with LaScala center. Immediate and definite improvements.
Certainly not in phase coherence. Then in what way is it and improvement, Bass only? You have a DTS-10 so I fail to see how the bass could improve if you use room correction (lower crossover point, maybe????
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59 minutes ago, Travis In Austin said:
You need to put those on Ebay for $25,000 with an ad that says Golden Jubilee Original 403 Horns.
Then in the description, put something like, "for those Golden Jubilee owners who have bass bins but are looking for the original MF/HF horns to go with them, here's your chance!" Add something that you will supply a full and complete provenance with them.
I think the picture you showed is the same one I saw at Ms. Valerie's subsequent house next to her Bosendorfer piano in 2007 with the black 503. The ones I saw in 1999 had the Mahogany Horns on top like the photo below taken at Ms. Valerie's. Not sure they were ever hooked up to play at either location.
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52 minutes ago, Travis In Austin said:
The working prototype, the one in all of the photos at CES, is in the Klipsch Museum of Audio History with the wooden horn made in Italy.
As a pure co-incidence, as Technical Editor of Professional Photographer Magazine, I was attending an all digital photo Seminar in Caesar's Palace in early 1999, which started at the tail end of the CES show. I was totally unaware of this coincidence.
Imagine my surprise when, to my left, I saw the KLIPSCH Room on my way to the photography stuff. So I stepped inside, saw the Beautiful Jubilees in Mahogany, and asked Roy, who I had never met, if Paul Klipsch was there. I remember Roy giving me a funny look like: "Who is this character?" LOL. I was told I had missed him by about 10 minutes!
Since I had spent a full day with him at the factory and a half day at his home in 1985, I'm sure he would have remembered me, if I had arrived 1/2 hour earlier. That was one sad, missed opportunity! Proving that ignorance is not bliss once again.
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11 minutes ago, The Dude said:
unless you can get your hands on 402s and have space, then there is no question to ask, as its always the 402.
I'm on my 3rd pair of used ones. I never should have sold the second pair! LOL! They help to fuel my belief and propagation of the expression "The bigger the horn, the better the horn" when you add up all the variables that yield superior sound propagation. Yet few people are willing to pay the price for their realization! Whether it's dollars, space required, or aesthetic sacrifices. They would rather put up with low volume, high distortion, small, direct radiators that Push air out rather than squeeze it out with higher sensitivity and accuracy of transient response that sound more like live instrument, especially in the bass department, which dictates big and expensive being the best for that quality level.
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18 hours ago, The Dude said:
Though a slightly different design, the K403 always reminded me of the EV HP 640. Knowing how good the EV HP 640 is, I could only imagine how much better the K403 is.
Got 3 of these babies in storage! It was the best of the EV horns (had them all), which were also like by DJK, our deceased pal.
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7 hours ago, Travis In Austin said:
That's not accurate.
Roy showed Paul the curves of the bass bins (he had to get the frequency up remember?). PWK said, "show me the bass bin." He showed PWK the bass bin, PWK said "how soon can we go into production." Roy drafted them. They wrote an AES article about them together.
Roy knows the whole story, in every detail about the two pairs, the crossovers, etc. That may be what Klem told W.C., but not too sure Klem really knows anything about them.
Travis
Thanks for contributing to the accuracy of the story I got sucked into with limited, multi-party, misinformation. All I did was to share my Experience as a "non-insider" who spent a few days, 10 years ago, with a Klipsch DEALER at the time, asking for my help on a special project of his making.
I am not Rigma or MikeBSA, but I was part of the same privileged group as you, by invitation, in 2007. It was easy to hear how great the U-Jubes were, but especially the K-402 horns on top of the MWM, which caused me to part with my beloved Khorns and Center LaScala 15 years ago. I still enjoy the journey.
All of my posts here have been in the spirit of keeping it real and factual as much as possible. I'm one of those who is not afraid of the truth, wherever it comes from. I don't mind being corrected with facts from others here, and I'm also not afraid of calling out others' Bullshit when appropriate, when my information refutes the worthless opinions so prevalent on the internet in general, with no data or experience to back it up.
So basically, I find the asking price of the Goldens to be outrageous, with like kind reaction here. On the other hand you gotta admire the guy's intestinal fortitude in asking that price for a legendary product WITHOUT the benefit of the inside knowledge, and superior memory recall, so many here possess.
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20 minutes ago, seti said:
That isn't exactly what happened 8-)
Klementovich was gifted the Golden Jubilee's by Valerie. They had K403's. There were two pairs made she had the other pair. Klementovich didn't like the "plastic" K403's so he replaced with martinellis. He also didn't like the crossover so he moved it to 750hz which was an odd thing to do. Klementovich sent the K403's to Maron Horonzack. I had happened to contact Maron to talk horns when I had mentioned how much I would love a pair of K403's. Maron said "How bad do you want them?" I was joking and said something like $500 and he said $550 and I'll ship them to you..... Next thing I know I have a pair of unobtanium K403's and I have been listening to them ever since. They are amazing as they are the combinitation of wills and compromises of PWK and Roy. It has Roy's flair and PWK's collapsing verticals. They are my favorite audio item.
Thanks for the positive contribution to my otherwise incomplete data set. Much appreciated!
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17 hours ago, deang said:
Not really, not anymore. I thought Underground’s were shelved.
For that kind of money, you can by two new Jubilees and a pair of AK-6 Klipschorns.
And still have money leftover for an entire music and movie collection!
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15 hours ago, Schu said:
how does this guy get hold of stuff like that... his store is a miss match of junk
It's called "showing up to the auction with cash."
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15 hours ago, Travis In Austin said:
Is he suggesting that PWK personally worked on those speakers? Or is he suggesting that he worked on the "project." Or is he intentionally being vague?
@ClaudeJ1 JC got them without MF/HF horns (403) is that correct and got Martinelli? Is that correct?
W.C. was a Klipsch Pro dealer who had built up a huge stock of used Klipsch Pro and Heritage speakers. When I pulled up to his place in Charlotte, he had a trailer full of MWM bins when out front when I arrived. THE Golden Jubilee BASS Bins from Klementovich, generously gifted to him by Valerie Klipsch for writing PWK's biography, traded to W.C. for a motorcycle (or cash to buy one) AFAICR. He said he had a new building under construction that would have lots of demonstration space, but he never told me it was in South Carolina.
But since the speakers were commissioned by Mrs. Klipsch and built by someone that had worked in the Hope factory, from Paul's Personal Drawings, I guess that the new seller's advertising ploy is mostly true, while, perhaps being vague via incomplete information worse than mine. Incidentally, that guy also has 2 pairs of Khorns for sale at a shade less than $6,000, so Who knows? Obviously his motivation is to capitalize, big time, on the verifiable part of his Extreme RARITY of the set, which is what I call the Goldens' "$120,000" Name Plates!
I heard them with both the Martinelli Horns as well as the Oval Tractrix Horns that looked like the Michelin Man from the rear. The crossovers were built by someone else and not W.C..............................................so YES, I think all he had that was "PURE" Klipsch were the Golden Bass Bins only.
can't imagine Valerie Klipsch would have given Klementovich just the bass bins, without a top end as a complete, listenable Stereo setup. In addition, she must have had someone built a crossover and top horn combo (same as the single Jube in her living room). It's possible the top end was sold off separately by either Michael Klementovich or W.C. who did say the Martinellis were his favorite top end. The rest of the story is mostly relegated to my memory's trash bin, since all this was just 2 days of my life, 10 years ago!
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1 hour ago, John Chi-town said:
As holy as they are $125K seems outrageous to me.
Not as outrageous as some of the prices for 94 year old Western Electric Theater speakers! But I digress......
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36 minutes ago, MMurg said:
I was hoping that when these went up for sale that it would be at a realistic price. I had a thought that we might organize a group purchase and donate them to the Klipsch Museum of Audio History. That's where I feel they belong. It's certainly out if the question at this price.
I AGREE TOTALLY.
I almost drove down to SC to bid on these myself, but decided to pass. I talked with the Auctioneer of W.C. Fisher's estate. The kid who bought these paid about $6,000, including, I think some McIntosh amplifiers in the auction. Obviously he did not buy them for their SOUND quality!! LOL.
I spent time with W.C. 10 years ago when he was still in North Carolina and had these bins open to see what was inside. I actually heard these speakers and they sounded just fine on my test CD's. I also curved them.
The Martinelli Horns on top are not longer made either and had nothing to do with Paul Klipsch, Valerie Klipsch, or the company, since they are a 3rd party horn and Spanish drivers.
I would say that if someone were to buy these at this price, they are the rarest of the "Underground Jubes" or "Museum Jubes" but don't sound as good as the ones you could buy from Klipsch Theater dealers with a K-402 on top at only 25% of the price. Anyone who can afford these should probably buy the Brand New Jubilee 75's instead with far superior sound with a $90,000 savings.
We shall see..................
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33 minutes ago, Marvel said:
Not necessarily so...
Which part? A single comment for one that contains 2 parts results in zero communication of point.
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On 9/30/2022 at 6:28 PM, CJ Wolff said:
You can call them underground Jubilees if you like
They are not jubilees, so none of the Klipsch fanatics here would ever call them that. Good luck getting even half your asking price (more realistic) after your big mistake in putting them in HER living room in the first place! Wives Rule!!! LOL>
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2 hours ago, tragusa3 said:
Thanks. They are integrating together well. For music, I am listening sometimes with the Khorns alone. Even if they don't sound quite as nice, there is some satisfaction in enjoying what they do alone. Of course, for movies, the subs still seem to be half of the audio experience!
Sold my beautiful Jube clones and my TAD drivers to a guy in Toronto who also bought my Twin DTS-10's. Let's just say that he has more bass than he needs for his pipe organ recordings!! LOL.
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On 10/2/2022 at 8:49 AM, tragusa3 said:
It was a worthy change.
Nice to see those DTS-10 tapped HORNS, picking up the FEEL of the super low end, even though a Khorn goes low enough for music, even they need a good sub to finish the job for pipe organ lovers. Good moves all around!
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On 10/4/2022 at 11:03 AM, mark1101 said:
Those are beautiful. Great work.
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On 9/26/2022 at 12:53 PM, Khornukopia said:
Most upper end AVR's have good sound quality. Many bottom end AVR's may not.
Most separate components have good sound quality. There are some cheap separates that don't, but I will not lump all separates together as a category, because that would not be fair.
I like my high end AVR's, mainly for the features, but they sound really good too.
You very precisely summarized all the points I made here.
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Khorn question
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After seeing the photo you provided, I don't think you need to do anything except get them as close to the corners as you can and go for it. You have to have the bowl of soup first and foremost before you decide how much salt to put in it to "improve" the taste. It's your taste buds, so get the soup and GO FOR IT!