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I owned a set of Cornwall II's 22 years ago and sold them to a friend. Over time I picked up a set of KLF 30's and then Belles and then finally Industrial LaScala's. I have always missed that "fist in the chest" bass that the Cornwall delivered. After listening to the old Cornwalls at my friends house I noticed that big mid clarity was missing from the Cornwall. My ears arent too good now and I really need the Lascala to help deliver the sound. A week or so ago I picked up a set of Chorus's to replace my old KG-4's as surrounds. I must say the Chorus's sound really good but still lack that old solid Cornwall bass. To make a long story short, for low wattage listening the Cornwall would be my pick. If you wanted to stretch it out though I would have to stick with the big horns. In time I will go back to Cornwalls from the Chorus model, but my Lascalas will remain out front.
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You could build a false wall or enclose the corners of the wall for the longer horns to fit and incorporate a cabinet for the bass driver. There are also shorter horns you could use on the mid driver but they would still be deeper that a basic 2X4 wall thickness. A lot of work but a neat idea!
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I have been considering a new Receiver or possibly going to components. Check the bench tests on any receiver you buy. I have noticed that several upper model brands fall way short of their advertised wattage when running 5 channels or more.
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Wow. That integra is definately a step above their top end Onkyo line. That is some serious power coming from an AVR. Any receiver manu should be proud of numbers like that. Mulling things over, I have been reading on the Outlaw, Emotiva and the latest Marantz 5 channel amps. I noticed that Outlaw seems to be pushing the new Marantz controller/processor for use with their amps via their website. The Outlaws seem to be well built and with ATI actually constucting the amps in the US is a big plus IMO. However, its hard to not give some notice to the Emotiva line with their prices being so low. Its hard to find any concrete evidence of firm preference between the Outlaw and the Emotiva...and of course the Marantz being so new. I read where the Marantz uses plastic end caps on the front face of their Amp which suprises me some and I have yet to see a full internal shot of the 5 channel Marantz Amp which I would really like to see.
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Thanks Bill. I have been looking at the new Onkyo Receivers and really like the screen menu's out there even though I am a Denon guy and have been for almost 25 years. From the bench tests I have seen the new Onkyo's fall really short on delivering stated power when running 5 channels or more. For instance their 5008 flagship has been noted to only get 95 watts out before clipping as the Denon 4310 is getting 131 watts out to 5 channels. Now wattage is not my sole concern, but it seems that clean power produced at higher levels would suffer greatly coming form the Onkyo. I am really trying to go the separate route and have been looking at the new Marantz 5 channel amp and processor, but dont really know if it would be worth the extra money once you get past the cool factor. I would love to go with a McIntosh setup, but that is just not going to happen.
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Here you go. Rear channels
Front channels
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Thinking about upgrading to seperates and moving my old Receiver downstairs. I think McIntosh is over my head even though I always thought I would have a Mac setup being this far along in life
I am wondering what everyones opinion of the best multi channel receiver + controller is for the money. Looking for 100+ watts per channel and a 5 channel minimum. I have been using Denon receivers for years, even when all they offered were the two channel models, but I am wanting to step up to something else for my Theater setup which I also use for 2 and 5 channel music listening. Is there a budget setup out there that will clearly "stomp" my old Denon 3803 and be worth the money? Thanks for your input -
Thanks Coytee. Wow.... well I sure dont have a spare 7K laying around so I guess I can axe this idea. I have never heard a pair, just read the reviews from peeps here. I guess a used pair sure wouldnt last long with such limited numbers. Boy what a find that would be though!
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Ahhh. Well thanks for help and saving my time fritz. Sorry for wasting yours!
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Thanks fritz. Is this something I can do with a basic meter? How do I measure uh?
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What is a fair price for a set of Jub's AND where might someone find a pair?
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Anyone have a cheat sheet for testing the specs on a AL-3 X-over. I think mine are 1992 models, just want to check to see if they are still in spec.
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Picked up the C 1's last night and had time to give them some listening. It is a great sounding speaker and match well with my LaScalas. I was expecting a little more Bass out of them from owning a pair of Corwall II's, but figured since I am using them as surrounds they probably are a better match for me since they are are closer to the listening area than my front channels.
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I have an SVS thats about 6 or 7 years old. I think it is a PB-2 plus or something which has 2, 12" subs. I recently noticed that SVS quit offering their dual driver subs. Anyone know why they stopped?
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I am running a solid copper speaker wire instead of a stranded cable. I needed to tone down mine as well. Dunno if it makes a huge difference, but it does seem a little smoother.
Also, there is a lot of mid and uppers with the H 3's due to the small cabinet and limited bass. If you swap out I wouldnt settle for less than the Chorus, Chorus II's or maybe the KLF-30's. Its hard to find the perfect balance. I loved my old Corwall II's, but the horns fell just short of the bass IMO.
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Thanks for all the responses. I guess I will just jump on the C's. They have been in storage for several years and before then the guy had them hooked up to external speaker outputs on a old big screen Pioneer TV...of all things. I need something that will keep up with my LaScala's better and this route wont break the bank for me right now. I should have them one day next week and look forward to hearing them. Hope the come close to sounding like my old Cornwall II's.
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Thanks for the link Davis, but I have already been through it. Im still up in the air on the II's vs. the originals. I probably should just jump on this set and forget the subtleties between the two.
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First off I have been a Klipsch fan for well over 20 years. Started out with a set of Cornwall II's and sold them to my friend to upgrade to a pair of industrial LaScala's. I still have the LaScala's and KG 4's for rear channels. I have the chance to purchase a set of Chorus or possibly trade + cash for my KG 4's. The real question I have here is should I hold out for a set of Chorus II's ? I know the bass is extended a little on the II's and the mid has the newer diaphram or possible a whole new mid driver, diff bass driver and X-over Im guessing. Just for using them as surrounds or 5 channel stereo is it worth the difference between the two? I know they will be a huge upgrade over the KG-4's, but maybe Im being too critical here.
Thanks friends
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"I feel like 2.5k+ is a little pricey for mint '75 Khorns even with the exotic wood"
2500 is not a bad price for khorns.....a lot of fourm memebers have passed around 2000 khorns...I just sold some super nice ones for 1650...have seen some as cheap as 1000.
problem is you need to be where the deal is....so if it is a local deal...factor in the cost of a long road trip or shipping that you saved.
my new khorns are costing me 700 bucks in sales tax and 400 bucks in shipping.
Man, I wish I would have been closer to you Fritz. I would loved to have taken those K's from you. Will there be a big difference in your new ones when compared to the ones you sold?
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IMHO.... $2500 is not too bad at all; especially with nice wood. Crossovers should have the caps replaced (if you are "soldering challenged", you can send them to a number of folks on the forum as you probably already know). You may wish to remove the bass bin covers and replace the panel gasket, check the wood to wood seams inside and lay in a bead of woodworker glue to make sure they are sealed. There are a number of other very cost effective DIY "tweaks" that can be done. You can PM me or search the forum for ideas. Biggest "tweak" is making sure they are sealed to the corners. There a number of ways, including the original factory "flap" method. You might also consider replacing the metal gliders with teflon to protect your floors, replacing the K-55 to horn gasket (they are usually totally dried out, etc.), maybe the diaphragms on the K-77's, make sure the 400 horn is flush with the driver board, etc., good 14 gauge speaker wire, inline fuses, new tweeters (CT-125's), etc., etc....
The old hot rod saying "Speed costs money, how fast do you want to go?....." applies to sound.....
Thanks for the "heads up"! So there really isn't much difference in todays components and yesteryears as far as actual sound.
I have a pretty thick piece of trim around the base of my floor. I think its a 1"X4" or a 1"X6". Will I have sealing issues with this and wood flooring?
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Thanks Fritz. This is the same pair I discussed in a previous thread. Do the Xovers need to be fully replaced or just upgraded? How much would this be? I contacted the owner and they have never been touched. I feel like 2.5k+ is a little pricey for mint '75 Khorns even with the exotic wood. What do you think? Thanks for your input!
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Looking at a set of 1975 KHorns. Is there any updating needed on this old of a speaker.....as far as the X-over or mid squaker? Any thoughts?
Thanks!
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I think some locals are already bidding on them. They are very, very pretty and I guess that is considered an exotic wood. I would hate to have to put a cote of Red Devil industrial black on them...to match the rest of my get up. [
] j/k Those would have the old iron mid horn in them wouldn't they?
I am wondering what everyones opinion of the best multi channel receiver + controller is for the money. Looking for 100+ watts per channel and a 5 channel minimum. I have been using Denon receivers for years, even when all they offered were the two channel models, but I am wanting to step up to something else for my Theater setup which I also use for 2 and 5 channel music listening. Is there a budget setup out there that will clearly "stomp" my old Denon 3803 and be worth the money? Thanks for your input
OPINIONS PLEASE - NAD vs. YAMAHA (7.1 receivers)
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You might want to search some bench tests on the Yamaha. Lots of Receivers are falling way short of their listed power output I have found. Even some of the upper Denon receivers are falling short on their numbers when driven with 5 channels or more.
Yamaha RX-V1065 A/V Receiver:
HT Labs Measures
HT Labs Measures
Five channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 50.4 watts
1% distortion at 59.7 watts
Seven channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 30.2 watts
1% distortion at 35.2 watts
http://www.hometheater.com/receivers/yamaha_rx-v1065_av_receiver/index4.html