Manuel Delaflor

theears you seem to know alot about subs, I own one KSW12 and Im happy with it, but it can sound boomy at times, I have to cut at 40Hz in order to get the deepest bass it can give. If I really want I can buy a larger sub, but I have to think it a lot because the wife and everything (by the way, I bet you are single! ). Now, in your opinion, a new sub from Klipsch will still match well with my speakers (Heresy)? and another question, for music do you prefer the KSW12 or a cheap hand made sonosub? Thanks!

quote: Originally posted by maxg: Will let you know what I decide (whenever I get round to this). Excellent! I look forward to see your impressions. Im thinking in one possibility. Currently I drive my Heresy's with few watts, and the KSW12 sounds good with them. If I increment the amplification I think the Heresy's have enough sensibility to make them sound impressibly loud, so I think that even the new line of subs could still be a match...

TBrennan, what do you think about this? I found it in another forum: ____________________________________ "In addition to the above advice, try putting the Heresy's on their side with tweeters toward the middle. I have been running mine in this manner ever since I was told about it. It seems the mid and tweeter horns are diffraction type that have wider frequency response perpendicular to their mounted axis. If you look at the original Cornwall's, the mid and tweeter horns were mounted verticle. This created both a dedicated left and right speaker. The design was well conceived, "but", keeping "stereo pairs" at Klipsch dealerships was frought with mistakes and difficulty. Klipsch later changed the Cornwall to have horizontally mounted horns. This solved their inventory problems at the cost of reduced imaging and soundstage. The Heresy was introduced later using the same drivers/horns combination. Since Heresy's are easily rotated to a horizontal position, you can try the horns mounted verticle as in the original Cornwalls. Use stands if you have them. Mine have been horizontal since I tried this nearly a year ago. The improvement was not subtle. Paul " ______________________

I found this on another forum... what do you think? ______________________________________________ "In addition to the above advice, try putting the Heresy's on their side with tweeters toward the middle. I have been running mine in this manner ever since I was told about it. It seems the mid and tweeter horns are diffraction type that have wider frequency response perpendicular to their mounted axis. If you look at the original Cornwall's, the mid and tweeter horns were mounted verticle. This created both a dedicated left and right speaker. The design was well conceived, "but", keeping "stereo pairs" at Klipsch dealerships was frought with mistakes and difficulty. Klipsch later changed the Cornwall to have horizontally mounted horns. This solved their inventory problems at the cost of reduced imaging and soundstage. The Heresy was introduced later using the same drivers/horns combination. Since Heresy's are easily rotated to a horizontal position, you can try the horns mounted verticle as in the original Cornwalls. Use stands if you have them. Mine have been horizontal since I tried this nearly a year ago. The improvement was not subtle. Paul "

quote: Originally posted by Audio Flynn: These new low line receivers have4 wimpy transformers and power supplies. You need to Look at separates or high current stuff like the Onkyo 787 or NAD T761 Im a newbie here, what is that about high current amplifiers? are there more important things than the watts and amplifier is able to achieve? Im thinking in two Denon models, DRA375RD for stereo and 1602 for HT, are these good?

quote: Originally posted by Klipschguy: The Heresy woofers are efficient and have tight bass. Replacing the woofers would affect the upper bass, most likely, in a negative way. Andy Thanks Andy, yes, I was thinking on this possibility, but I understand why is wrong. I do have a sub, a KSW12 and it sounds really good. I do want to have more extension, and a couple of Shivas sounds like a good option to make a couple of sonosubs.

I wonder if it is possible for one hand, and if it worths it for the other. Any toughts?

thanks ShapeShifter, it is good to know

I see. Then I will ask you to post where did the sound wasnt there anymore before and after your work. You mentioned that at 20Hz there were only air and vibrations but no appreciable sound, I assume that at the rated 26Hz there must be a sound and then it is lost going down. With your modifications that changed? What are your impressions before and after?

quote: Originally posted by toussi1: After i added 1/2 pound acousta stuf i wasn't too happy about the results. I added Another 1/2 pound and i am happy to say this sub sound more deep and cleaner than before. So i would recommend anyone to do this. Good to read this, can you post what are you measuring and how? you say you have a sound generator, do you have also an SPL meter or an RTA software? I also have a KSW12 and would like to make it sound better, less boomy if possible and of course a deeper sound doesn't hurts

My Heresy's don't have a letter!! why? SN 8411902 & 8411903

quote: Originally posted by maxg: Further, I am a huge fan of sealed unit woofers. Whilst their bass response is limited it has a tightness to it that makes all bass-reflex systems sound like breaking wind. Maxg, yes, I agree with you in every aspect. About your last point, this is why I want to have the best matched sub for my Heresy's. Currently I run them with a KSW12, the results are incredible, but I wonder if the new line of subs would make a better job, I only hear music with this system, so I want a musical sub. Ideas?

Thanks for all the replies. I guess my speakers are still that good! hehe. Since the very first time I auditioned them I fall in love because the inmense clarity reached by the speaker, specially by the mid horns. Every wind instrument of the orchestra sounded like the real thing, vivid, present, alive. In fact, I think this is the best thing about the Heresy's, newer Klipsch speakers still have the horn tweeter, but I think is the mids horn the one that makes the Heritage line so good. What do you all think about this point? By the way, since your answers I have experienced with toeing my speakers in and all I can say is WOW. The soundstage is wider and deeper now. Thanks! I guess I will spend more time positioning my speakers... Ah, one more thing, the new Klipsch subs are "too much" for the Heresy's? because I read somewhere on this forums about the idea of matching the subs with the mains...

Im a proud owner of an old set of Heresys, I drive them with "just" a 20watts p/channel amplifier and recently coupled them with a KSW12 (this filled the only thing I didnt liked about the Heresys). I love the sound they make and up today I still need to hear a set of speakers able to sound more "alive" than they do. Still, with all the new line of speakers from Klipsch and other brands, I wonder what is the general opinion about things like soundstage and imaging regarding the "outdated" design on the Heresys. For example, I have read a lot of general complains about horns related to imaging, but when I listen to my friends setups (Paradigms, NHTs, Mirages, even one with Kenwood speakers) I don't find anything really different (well, except for the Kenwoods, they sound horrible). Whats more, I like better the clarity of my speakers than all their speakers and find the soundstage to be really similar. Opinions please? This message has been edited by Manuel on 09-29-2001 at 09:56 PM

I believe I saw somewhere on this forum a post where you explain how to connect a sub to an amplifier which doesn't have sub outs, perhaps Im making a mistake here and it wasn't you. Anyway, it would be interesting for me to know how can you connect all those subs! But of course my main question is about connecting a sub to an amplifier without sub out using the RCA cable. Or did I dream this?? Oh god, I must be really tired! lol This message has been edited by Manuel on 09-25-2001 at 09:58 PM

quote: Originally posted by toussi1: ... because i have run a sound generator from 20-80HZ and this sub has most bass produced at 45-65 HZ : sure you do get 20HZ bass out of the unit; but its just PORT NOISE. What else did you used to test the output? can you post your complete results?